Do you have evidence of anything you just stated. Also, the fact that each year they find new animals- does not prove evolution it more so supports creation- most of these creatures they discover are aquatic or insects and I never yet hear anyone say this new creature evolved from animal/mammal- the majority of the new aquatic animals they discover are found many miles deep in the sea where just recently they have had equipment to reach the deep seas.
Your response to the cheetah is a joke- what was the name of the "slow" cheetah or the cheetah's ancestor- where are the fossils- my point of bringing up the cheetah is that you look at it and examine all of it's attributes you can easily conclude that it was built and designed for speed and not "evolved speed- nearly every feature of the cheetah says speed.
If you have time google the "Bombardier Beetle" to escape it's enemies that Beetle mixes a complicated mixture of chemicals and is able to produce an "explosion" that stuns it's predator- the procedure is so complex that scientist state that no way could this have been "evolved"- one single piece missing from the Bombardier beetle chemical composition and the "bomb" will not work- so tell me Ex-Nyer how could this have been evolved?- it clearly was designed. Some have compared the bombardier beetle to a microscopic nuclear reactor- here's a quote that pretty much takes a dump on the evolution idea that the bombardier bettle was evolved:
How is this amazing chemical feat accomplished? Well, the whole process starts in the bombardier beetle’s combustion tubes, where he adds two very important chemicals: hydroquinone and hydrogen peroxide. Under normal circumstances, these chemicals would react, causing a violent explosive reaction and destroying our beetle friend. So an inhibitor is added to the chemical mixture to prevent unnecessary explosions and provide a safe storage for later use. However, when a potential predator does decide he wants a nice juicy meal, the beetle is ready. With ease, he calmly adds the stored chemical mixture to the combustion tubes along with an anti-inhibitor, knocking out the effects of the inhibitor. Thus begins a violent chemical discharge, right in the face of the predator. Sorry, no lunch this time.
So, how could this beetle have evolved? Or could it? In view of evolutionary “belief”, the bombardiers beetle’s first ancestors would not have possessed their unique
chemical weapon since it had not evolved yet. In the beginning, thousands of generations would have spent their lives mixing toxic chemicals, only to be blown up into pieces. Eventually the “magic formula” of hydroquinone and hydrogen peroxide (23% hydrogen peroxide and 10% hydroquinone) would have “evolved”. But what good would that do? The spilt second those two chemicals react- BOOOM!!!- and the beetles, well, gone. So, yet again, these carefree, little beetles go on for thousands of generations trying to come up with and perfect the inhibitor. Simultaneously, of course, these beetles, over countless generations, came up with the inhibitor.
- See more at: http://www.magnumopusmagazine.com/bo....lcqXONqp.dpuf
Originally Posted by wellendowed1911
As I said, you will learn nothing. Because you are a committed religious zealot and you cannot admit to evolution because it means the Bible is wrong.
I explained to you how animals evolve and you say it is a "joke" and demand to know where are the skeletons for the cheetahs ancestors. There are plenty of feline fossils (e.g., sabre-toothed tiger), but I do not know which ones are related to the cheetah and I am NOT going to take the time to look them up. Because even if I could located 5 fossils that looked like pre-cursors to the cheetah, you would STILL say that the differences were too big between each species and would demand 10 more between each one. And even THEN you would deny it. You apply 20-20 hindsight to a cheetah and say "designed" when really all it is is "evolved".
Moreover, there is no proof of the existence of a designer, but that really is the endgame isn't it? You want everybody to deny evolution and believe in intelligent design, because that would be "proof" there is a God.
So, when your "flexible spine" cheetah example doesn't work out, you pick ANOTHER animal. Some flatulent beetle. Who CARES how it makes its lethal farts? You don't have to look at a beetle, just look at your own body for improbable chemical reactions.
All those acids and enzymes that break down food. The insulin that controls the level of sugar getting into and out of cells. The calcium for making bones.
It all seems like a long shot, until you realize that it HAD to work out that way, or else you would not be alive to ask the questions.
There is effectively an infinite number of stars (100s of trillions). If only 10% of them have a planets that MIGHT potentially be suitable for life (in terms of temperature and water), that means there are 100s of billions, maybe 10s of trillions of potential earths.
If, over the course of a billion years, only one in one thousand of those planets manages to form the fundamental organic compounds and proteins necessary for life, that is STILL 10s of billions of planets that at least have the building blocks of life. And if, after a billion more years, only 1 in one thousand of those planets manages to have simple bacteria or virus-like life forms begin, that is STILL 10s of millions of planets with life on them. Wait long enough and complex life forms will eventually evolve on maybe a million, or hundreds of thousands of them. And out of THAT number, maybe thousands develop intelligent life.
But the truth is there are trillions of "loser" planets. There weren't any miracles or "intelligent designing" going on in those places.
It only seems like a miracle because YOU are living on one of those final thousands of planets where intelligent life evolved. If you weren't, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
And that brings up some fundamental questions. Like, if there IS an intelligent designer, WHY SO MUCH WASTE? Why are there so many trillions of stars with no livable planets around them? They are scattered in space, several light years (trillions of miles) away from the nearest star. Just a completely isolated, flaming ball of hydrogen with ice cold and flaming hot rocks orbiting around it. What fucking purpose did the designer have in mind for that?
Why so much interstellar gas and dust? What purpose did the designer have in mind for that?
Even in our own solar system, what was the "intelligent designer" thinking when he made the other 8 lifeless planets? Especially the ice cold blobs of Neptune, Uranus and Pluto - their existence wasn't even known until the telescope was built.
And what is the purpose of the asteroids? That's just a failed planet. Where is the "intelligent design" there? And if a big enough asteroid gets knocked out of orbit after a collision, that asteroid might one day it earth wipe out all or most life. What's intelligent about that?
SO HOW MANY MORE ANIMALS ARE YOU GOING TO DEMAND FOSSILS FOR? Are you going to demand explanations for snake venom? Explanations for the compound eyeball of a fly?
There are literally hundreds of billions - if not trillions - of weird little variations in life forms. The overwhelming number of these variations did not survive as fossils. Even for the ones that did, we do not have enough money to pay for all of the scientists needed to find them and dig them up. So the evolution record will ALWAYS be incomplete and will require a lot of speculation. But that does not mean that the fundamentals are not correct. They are certainly more correct than Genesis.
