Sugar babys

Absolutely, however, that's where it ends...at the end of the session...I see a few a couple times/mo in a date/overnight setting but they pay allotted time and we go about our business til next time. my mission is to save as much as possible and as quick as possible not just get my monthly bills paid and it seems that's what the typical sd pays plus a little extra but I like my financial security I get by myself and my loyal patrons. if i lose one out of x amt of clients not an end of the world catastrophe.. refer to royamcr below as to why it's not the best idea from a providers perspective. Ultimately, it's up to the people in the arrangement but it simply doesn't make sense in my head to jump into SB/SD arrangement unless one or both parties intend on being dishonest and see ppl utr, which that spells trouble so I avoid. I guess i think of consequences prior to making such a big decision and hurt feelings and lots of drama seems inevitable in this situation. I'm not saying that how it works all the time but I've heard more horror stories than success stories so let's be realistic. I'm not in the business to be "committed" so to speak, otherwise, I'd just get married....and no thanks to that.

The only success story I've heard is a local client helped a college girl til she graduated and moved. They are still friends but she was never a legit provider which I think is the only way from a man's perspective that it would work. Soooo, scout your local coffee shop's for those coed cuties


And after all that, I don't even know if I answered what you wanted. Lol.


Aaaannndd, I have mommy makeover scheduled for june...we can do a prepaid arrangement to take that cost of my hands...I'll make it up to whomever wants to pay, I SWEAR! Lol...see how that works? Seems risky. Originally Posted by MissSaraXXX

I fully agree in the sense of being realistic- this SD couldn't possibly want monogamy right? It would be nice to have my bills paid and still provide and be able to save more but at what expense?

I like the idea you have going where's my gentleman that want to seem me over night on a regular basis for say xxxx amount so I can get two new additions added! LOL

My friend saw her SD for 3-4 hours once a week and he would pay what ever she liked car note, phone bill, and bring her alcohol when he saw her and that's just not the type of relationship I was thinking. I even hung out with her and him before and it was super awkward at least for me.

I can't begin to know exactly what the original poster was asking for.... However, I didn't necessarily read that he was looking for a currently active provider to be his SB. I've been able to work through a few of these situations in the past. Good candidates are school teachers and other under employed hotties that like the extras that a SD provides without the risk of being exposed. Originally Posted by sherm

HI there! I'm the original poster lol my specific question was how to approach this situation whether online sites work or if it should be more of a provider client twist.

How did your last SB deal end? or is it still going? if so what are the terms ?

These have mostly been by word-of-mouth, friends-of-friends introductions.
(Most have not been Providers, but had considered it before our introduction)

Girls come to me with financial needs, we discuss, I offer advice and experience, they offer charm, beauty and affection.

If chemistry develops, negotiations and arrangement ensue.

Next step is the SB enjoys her new found financial security, develops the confidence and self-esteem that we both want her to develop.

Finally, the SB finds a ghetto-tatted boy, laying on his mom's basement couch, no job nor prospects, playing video games, and getting high.

Away she drops, right back to where she was to before.

I try to follow the Dan Savage "Campground Rule" of May/December Romance.

The older man should always leave the younger woman in a Better Condition that when he found her.

Better Condition:
Higher Self-esteem/self-respect,
More ambition,
Legal issues resolved,
Better educational future,
More connected family ties, (with both parents and children),
Sobriety, (that can be a toughie)
Maturity,
and a more advanced vision of their potential.


Sometimes it works and I feel good about the SB's progress and prospects.

When it fails, at least the SB has had a glimpse of what a better life could be.

This may sound controlling or demanding, but No,
I have learned I can Not nor will not tell a SB what to do nor what not to do.

But listen to what they want for themselves,
help them achieve their own goals,
remind them to stay on task, and
pick them up when they fail.

OP's Second question, Too Young?

Yeah, probably so. The oldest has been 24...

She once said to me "I'll bet I'm the youngest woman you have dated..."
I smiled and said, "Sorry, you are the Oldest..."


OP's Original Question; Being seen in Public?

A Crucial Issue, NO PDA.
I learned early in my "career" That really freaks the civilian population out.

Many times I have been called "Dad" especially by checkout clerks at clothing stores.

I wink, smile and reply: "No, ..Daddie".

Young clerks eyes widen and their mind expands as they glance back and forth between the distinguished Gentleman and the well-dressed young hottie with fresh hair and nails. Originally Posted by LoveWomen

where do I pick up one of YOU. Is there a store manufacturing a man like you. haha

OP,

I have had many good experiences. Several semi monogamous SD/SB relationships that retained the friendships when they ended.

I have never cared about the perception of those that looked on with disdain. In fact, if I found people spending a little too much time looking and whispering I loved to play the game "lets give them something to talk about" For instance, Walking by the looky loo's and stopping to give a very non platonic kiss to my older gentleman before saying, quite loudly, "This restaurant is amazing! You should consider bringing your wife here on your anniversary." Of course my SD at the time was not married. Still, we enjoyed a good laugh and the expressions that were priceless. Another game we would play is he would give me the money for the meal in advance. Then we would go into a 5 star restaurant and order freely, when the waiter came with the check I would take it and pay with the money he gave me. That one always received some interesting and quite entertaining looks.

Never let the worlds perceptions dictate who you like, and who you desire to spend time with. If you enjoy your older mans (potential sugar daddies) attentions and company, enjoy it to it's fullest.
Always give something new a try. You will never know if the shoe fits, unless you try it on. Originally Posted by JayceeRivers

Wish my name was Edward...............

Absolutely, however, that's where it ends...at the end of the session...

my mission is to save as much as possible and as quick as possible

I like my financial security I get by myself

if i lose one out of x amt of clients not an end of the world catastrophe..

it's not the best idea from a providers perspective.

Ultimately, it's up to the people (PROVIDER) in the arrangement but it simply doesn't make sense in my head to jump into SB/SD arrangement unless one (THE PROVIDER) or both parties intend on being dishonest and see ppl utr,

I guess i think of consequences prior to making such a big decision and hurt feelings and lots of drama seems inevitable in this situation (BECAUSE THE PROVIDER AGREED TO BE EXCLUSIVE AND THEN WASN"T).

I'm not saying that how it works all the time but I've heard more horror stories than success stories so let's be realistic (THE PROVIDER IS OUT TO MAXIMIZE HER $$$ AND DOESN"T GIVE A DAMN WHAT THE SD WANTS).

I'm not in the business to be "committed" so to speak, otherwise, I'd just get married....and no thanks to that. Originally Posted by MissSaraXXX

I did a little creative editing and added a little commentary to Ms Sara's words. But did not change them at all. Yes, that is what she really said with the bs removed ... its all about her.

And to be clear this is why it should always be clear to a potential SD that a "Provider" usually does not make a good SB; they are two VERY different relationships. A provider is all about maximizing HER return on HER time ... she does not give a damn about the client.

In a true SD/SB relationship there is actually feelings between the SD and the SB. It is not only about $$$. An SD/SB relationship also includes a level of trust that does not exist in a provider relationship. For example, Ms Sara clearly indicates that she does not trust any of her clients. If a client says I will pay your rent next month ... she clearly does not think he would do that. With a real Sugar Baby, yes, she would trust her Daddy to be there for her and as a SD a guy would never leave his girl in a world of hurt ... so of course would cover her expenses the next month if he said he would.

All this does is show that being an SB and being a Provider are 2 very different and mostly mutually exclusive things. And to be clear I'm not trying to put Ms Sara down, she has a very good reputation in NE as a provider and seems well liked by pretty much everyone. But as a Sugar Baby, well .. no ... I don't think she'd be very good at that.

Done.

I did a little creative editing and added a little commentary to Ms Sara's words. But did not change them at all. Yes, that is what she really said with the bs removed ... its all about her.

And to be clear this is why it should always be clear to a potential SD that a "Provider" usually does not make a good SB; they are two VERY different relationships. A provider is all about maximizing HER return on HER time ... she does not give a damn about the client.

In a true SD/SB relationship there is actually feelings between the SD and the SB. It is not only about $$$. An SD/SB relationship also includes a level of trust that does not exist in a provider relationship. For example, Ms Sara clearly indicates that she does not trust any of her clients. If a client says I will pay your rent next month ... she clearly does not think he would do that. With a real Sugar Baby, yes, she would trust her Daddy to be there for her and as a SD a guy would never leave his girl in a world of hurt ... so of course would cover her expenses the next month if he said he would.

All this does is show that being an SB and being a Provider are 2 very different and mostly mutually exclusive things. And to be clear I'm not trying to put Ms Sara down, she has a very good reputation in NE as a provider and seems well liked by pretty much everyone. But as a Sugar Baby, well .. no ... I don't think she'd be very good at that.

Done. Originally Posted by MidwestRocket

Fritz/capstone/hydra90210 is that you? New handle yet again? Very savvy to the hobby and sb/sd world for being a new member and since I blacklisted you it would only make sense for you to "put me in my place." Sadly, you twisted all my words and forced your personal opinion of me onto what you THINK you read.

Not sure what your point is...I said I wouldn't be good at it myself. I offered a different perspective providing viewpoints for providers and hobbyists using my experience and personal knowledge. Not trying to make it about me.

I'm well liked bc I'm not out to hurt/rob ppl. I conduct business as appropriately as a "hooker" can. sorry that bothers you.

Thanks! Good day, sir.

I personally don't grasp the arrangement. If I am providing a woman with food, clothing, & shelter, as well as taking her out, providing some of life's luxuries, then we are in a relationship? My thought at least. If she sees other guys, has sex with them, uses my gifts for their benefit, then she's betraying the relationship. I think the arrangement flies in the face of all common sense logic and the women who do this are using the men while the men are allowing themselves to be used. I have no problem providing for a woman, but she WILL be my SO & what I provide for her will be ours & for our benefit. My gawd people. Keep it simple. None of us would find it prudent to provide for a woman, her very livelihood at a home somewhere else so she can see someone else. It's just not logical. The ladies here provide a service. Use the service when you need it. You don't retain a taxi or car service full time & then have the driver fit you in when they can get to you after they've gone & picked up fares elsewere?

HI there! I'm the original poster lol my specific question was how to approach this situation whether online sites work or if it should be more of a provider client twist.

How did your last SB deal end? or is it still going? if so what are the terms ? Originally Posted by Olivia Belle

Ha. See I was too lazy to go back and read the OP. Either way it doesn't change my experiences. Right now I'm without a SB.

The last one ended when she wanted to move from SB to wife. I'm married and really don't want to change that. She lives severs hours away and we weren't able to spend as much time together anymore. We are still friends and she's in a relationship. I'm actually happy for her although I miss the benefits.

The terms were flexible...because there really weren't any. Maybe they've all been mistresses. I helped them with their careers, took them on short trips, bought some gifts, nice dinners and provided cash now and then. Now that I think about it my wife is more of a sugar baby than they were. She takes all my money and doesn't give me any sex or attention. Maybe I'm doing this backwards....

I've been on and off if the sites for years. Nothing has ever panned out.

The terms were ... there really weren't any Originally Posted by sherm

Ms Sara ... just wow. For real ?

I'm not any of the dudes you blacklisted. But maybe, just maybe, that is how you got such a stellar reputation ... blacklisting anyone who says something you don't like ... hmmm. And, yes, unfortunately ... that is a typical provider attitude:

Bad review -> blacklist.
Reports NCNS -> blacklist.
Called me on my shit -> blacklist.
Says something I don't like -> blacklist.
Wrong time of the month -> blacklist.
etc, etc, etc.

So ... just to prove that I did not "twist all your words" to "put you in your place" or "forced my personal opinion of what I think of you" ... I will quote your actual message and bold what I quoted. For the record, I did not make up anything or quote you out of context.

Is it ugly and selfish and pretty much shows you care only about yourself and care nothing about the men you see ? Well ... yeah, it is what it is. You are a provider, comes with the territory.

Absolutely, however, that's where it ends...at the end of the session...I see a few a couple times/mo in a date/overnight setting but they pay allotted time and we go about our business til next time. my mission is to save as much as possible and as quick as possible not just get my monthly bills paid and it seems that's what the typical sd pays plus a little extra but I like my financial security I get by myself and my loyal patrons. if i lose one out of x amt of clients not an end of the world catastrophe.. refer to royamcr below as to why it's not the best idea from a providers perspective. Ultimately, it's up to the people in the arrangement but it simply doesn't make sense in my head to jump into SB/SD arrangement unless one or both parties intend on being dishonest and see ppl utr, which that spells trouble so I avoid. I guess i think of consequences prior to making such a big decision and hurt feelings and lots of drama seems inevitable in this situation. I'm not saying that how it works all the time but I've heard more horror stories than success stories so let's be realistic. I'm not in the business to be "committed" so to speak, otherwise, I'd just get married....and no thanks to that. Originally Posted by MissSaraXXX

So compare whats in bold to what I said yesterday and you will find a complete match. Along with some commentary as I clearly indicated.

Now, what I was TRYING TO SAY is that most providers do in fact think like Ms Sara. It is all about them and making as much money as they can for as little effort as possible and reducing their risk as much as possible. That is not a bad thing ... its like running a business.

What my comment was about was trying to explain that a SD-SB relationship IS NOT LIKE RUNNING A BUSINESS ... ITS MORE PERSONAL and therefore providers are not very good at being an SB. Even a good provider like Ms Sara would make a lousy SB because she would not trust her "Daddy" to be looking out for her interests when in fact most SD's do actually look out for the welfare of their "Baby". Now I'm not saying all hobby clients make good SD's either because most probably don't and don't have the $$$ to do it anyway.

So hope that all makes sense. And hope people realize that this was not a rag on Ms Sara and neither was my prior one.

So Ms Sara: I am not the guys you blacklisted. I don't know you. I've never seen you. I've never even talked to you. You seem to be a good provider. Which means you would probably make a shitty SB. I think you realize that too ... and so you don't go there. So its all good.

Peace.

[QUOTE=MidwestRocket;1056608980]Ms Sara ... just wow. For real ?


Bad review -> blacklist.
Reports NCNS -> blacklist.
Called me on my shit -> blacklist.
Says something I don't like -> blacklist.
Wrong time of the month -> blacklist.
etc, etc, etc.

well, common sense tells you I'm not "that" provider or else my reputation wouldn't be as strong. I will not defend my beliefs on this matter and you're entitled to your own and I'm not on a mission to change them.

I really appreciate the passive aggressiveness...she's a sheisty provider but no really she's a good one. I'm so confused. Seems like ayou have a personal vendetta so my stance remains on who you are. 6 posts and 2 consist of attacking me.

Again, good day, sir.

Ms Sara, I don't want to be the one to break it to you, but you are just digging your own grave here. Anyone with 1/2 a brain can see that I am not attacking you; no matter how you try to spin it. There is no personal vendetta. And so you resort to calling me out on my number of posts ... he's only has 6 posts so he's a moron ! LAME. LAME. LAME.

Seriously, the best response would be to admit that you wouldn't be a good SB because you are a provider and move on. As I said, most providers are not good SBs because they are focused on the $/hr and a SD/SB relationship is about more than that. That relationship is different but many providers think its the same. Its not.

That's it folks.

Peace

Miss Sara and MidwestRocket (whomever you are), please direct your comments to the SD/SB theme of this thread and take your argument off the board.

Thank you.

Oh but Midwest rocket- you MOST DEFINITELY ARE Who we think you are. See, us ladies are pretty swift with the sharing of facts on guys like you. You talk, type and downgrade women just as your other personalities do on these boards. Besides, you just attacked Sara out of nowhere (and we know why... Busted! Ha) when she was supplying her opinion on the original topic. Tssskkk ttsssskkk... Your best response would be to admit your true identity and quit bullying certain hookers.

hey scorpio31, since you are Mod would you delete my account please. It seems that Sara thought I was someone else and tried to blacklist me and had problems finding out who I am. Ditto with Gemma but she probably added me to the Do Not See lists anyway. I was about to make a comeback to the hobby after sitting out 2+ years (had a few SBs don't you know) and that has been foiled. Whatever, time to kick up the SB search.

So please delete my account. Thank you.