Since this is my thread, point is where I say it is but be that as it may you'll still trying to argue semantics I see. Very dictatorial of you, 90 posts would say you are wrong. As you said semantics but very telling of your nature. My OP was about two gay men (hereafter referred to as faggots) who spat on a uniformed clergymen. Why did they do that? Because he was catholic? Because he was a clergymen? Because he was a FOX news contributor? With all the demonization by the left against the church, authority figures, and FOX news any of the three could be correct. The question is, what's next. I'll tell you...Separation of Church and State, ever hear of it. Under that I really don't think the church should be exempt from taxes, but they made their case for it, our government agreed with it and so it is. Our system at work. Now this lady that said that because the church is exempt from tax that they must also obey the federal law including accepting gay marriage. There is no federal law saying anything like that. The only law being dealt with here is that gay marriage needs to be legally recognized by both the state and federal governments, the same as heterosexual marriage is. That's all, that's it, nothing more yet both sides keep trying to toss other things into the mix to cloud it.
I addressed the original topic in an earlier post, guess you didn't read it. In it I gave a possible reason for their actions. I don't agree with their actions but I can understand why they may have happened. Unlike you, I don't let their actions affect my feelings about the group as a whole.
Let's lay the blame equal here, both sides left and right do plenty to demonize each other as they need to and see fit. You yourself made a demonizing statement against the cops at the parade in an earlier post in this thread, or did you forget that?
You'll tell me what you think might be next but without that proverbial crystal ball, it's nothing more than one of many possible outcomes.
The left will start going after organized religion using whatever pretext they have. Right now it is "gay pride" and the target is the catholic church. Later it will be something else and maybe the Mormons or Baptist even though the only "religion" that is completely against gay people is Islam.
I find that very unlikely, there are long long standing protections for religion, I don't see those being over turned any time in the near future. The churches job is to TEACH, it's Gods job to judge, the church has been over stepping for some time now in my opinion. The church and the right would like us to believe they are under attack to gain help in their fight against this and other things they oppose. I haven't seen a single person say you don't have a right to your beliefs religious or otherwise, you can have them all you want. Now both you and the right DO NOT have the right to press those beliefs on the rest of us. Both sides are still going to try regardless, it's the nature of the beast.
As to Islam being the only one completely against being gay, you might just want to fact check that.
Last night on O'Reilly they had a gay woman on who represented some gay rights organization. She was asked about problems with the church and gay marriage since the SCOTUS did not make gay marriage legal but it did overturn state attempts to define what marriage was. She said that they had no problem with churches or religions who opposed gay marriage. Sounds nice doesn't it. Then the father asked if she supported even the tax exempt churches....she hestitated slightly and then said that if any church is getting money from the government (a liberal concept that if you get a tax credit then you are getting federal money) is of course going to have to OBEY federal law which includes accepting gay marriage. She was exposed as a liar, a bigot, and an operative with an unnamed agenda. Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn
If churches don't want to recognize gay marriage that is their right, and no state should be allowed to tell them otherwise, in the same vane the church shouldn't be telling or influencing the states into not legally recognizing it.
There has not yet been a sound legal argument based on any legal facts or reasoning to oppose gay marriage, you haven't made one, the church hasn't made one and the state hasn't made one, they have all been moral and philosophical objections.
You've said many times SCOTUS's decision on this was based on "feelings"......... your objection and that of everyone else against it is totally and completely based on "FEELINGS".
Now as to this lady she's a bit misguided, I see where her thought was going, but it was still wrong, As to her being "a liar, a bigot, and an operative with an unnamed agenda" without having seen the show I can't speak to it, but with it being Un'Reality I'm sure those are the exact thoughts about her he wanted you to walk away with.
