Anybody Have A Demographic Breakdown Of COVID Deaths

We wouldn't be in a position of having everything shut down if we had an extremely competent government, like South Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Sweden, etc. They knew what to do. We did too, but it didn't happen. And we could dig ourselves out of this hole by putting the proper resources into testing and tracing. The cost would be a small fraction of what we're spending on unemployment insurance, support for businesses, etc. Until that happens you're probably looking at a good chunk of the country being half closed, and situations like what we saw in NYC, Italy and Spain developing in some of the areas that open back up prematurely without adequate social distancing. Originally Posted by Tiny

Two points here that I see.

I would replace your "extremely competent", with either "extremely oppressive" or at least "extremely controlling".

And in several instances these countries are very possibly heading into a second wave of this. Not that the US will not have a second wave either at some point, but it's going to go through the population of the world one way or another unless a vaccine is created. They may have simply put it off for a short period.

You imply many a thing. Are those the things that make your life good? In other words, is that what good looks like?

You can live in South Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Sweden if it's important to you. Yet you do not. How come?

I see you are advocating for 'tracing'. Do you know what contact tracing is?

You good with keeping distance from everyone for evah? Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

Perhaps instead of telling me I'm unpatriotic and ignorant you could tell me why I'm wrong? The population of South Korea is 52 million. They have more contact with China than we do. The coronavirus epidemic kicked off earlier there than here. Yet per capita we've had 24X more deaths than they have. And they haven't had a lockdown.

As to what I said about people observing an overloaded health system and wanting to shut down the economy, that's an observation. It's what's happening right now in various places all over the world.

Two points here that I see.

I would replace your "extremely competent", with either "extremely oppressive" or at least "extremely controlling".

And in several instances these countries are very possibly heading into a second wave of this. Not that the US will not have a second wave either at some point, but it's going to go through the population of the world one way or another unless a vaccine is created. They may have simply put it off for a short period. Originally Posted by eccielover

I don't see those particular countries, South Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Sweden, as extremely oppressive. Controlling? In some ways more so than we are, in in some ways less.

As to second waves you may be right. If you've got good testing and tracing in place and plenty of masks and hospital capacity you'll do better than otherwise.

The LOONS, like you, Originally Posted by LexusLover

Thank you sir! Being called a LOON is a huge step up from being called a fucking idiot by you.

We can't force young people to get a vaccine to protect older people the best course of action would be developing a vaccine that works for older people who could get that if they choose Originally Posted by Sienna91

I don't know how I feel about forcing people to get vaccines. But since some of the posters in this thread (not you or gnadfly or eccielover) take such great joy in bashing the messenger instead of the message, I'll say this. The state has the power to make people to get vaccines and maybe it should use it.

I believe its "normal." I remember seeing an Italian clip about a guy who was living with his sister who died of COVID. It was taking days for the govt to come pick up the body. He kept calling as the body rotted. Eventually the Italians sent in a private contractor.

Don't think when shit falls apart economically that things will just magically work. There may have been issues with the nursing home. The municipality may not want to pick them up. The morgue may not want to accept them. The funding of the private ambulance may not be there. The driver may not have protective gear.

That's why important to get people back to work. Originally Posted by gnadfly

You've got a point. There's a balance to be struck. What you're describing is more a function of an overloaded health care system than a failing economy. The best way to deal with it is by keeping that from happening, which is why I keep going back to testing, tracing and masks.

I don't know how I feel about forcing people to get vaccines. But since some of the posters in this thread (not you or gnadfly or eccielover) take such great joy in bashing the messenger instead of the message, I'll say this. The state has the power to make people to get vaccines and maybe it should use it. Originally Posted by Tiny

I will go backpack in the woods before I get a vaccine against my own will

I don't know how I feel about forcing people to get vaccines. But since some of the posters in this thread (not you or gnadfly or eccielover) take such great joy in bashing the messenger instead of the message, I'll say this. The state has the power to make people to get vaccines and maybe it should use it. Originally Posted by Tiny

I'm not so sure they have the power to force vaccines across the population. That is still an issue for the SCOTUS final decision, I think.

Lots of time where people's beliefs(taken as Freedom of religion) has stopped forced vaccinations.

Restrictions for school attendanace/etc. have largely been held to require vaccinations, but lots of cases still upheld to not get them.

And the entire population is an totally different story.

I'm not so sure they have the power to force vaccines across the population. That is still an issue for the SCOTUS final decision, I think.

Lots of time where people's beliefs(taken as Freedom of religion) has stopped forced vaccinations.

Restrictions for school attendanace/etc. have largely been held to require vaccinations, but lots of cases still upheld to not get them.

And the entire population is an totally different story. Originally Posted by eccielover

You know this issue better than I do. That sounds reasonable

I don't see those particular countries, South Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Sweden, as extremely oppressive. Controlling? In some ways more so than we are, in in some ways less.

As to second waves you may be right. If you've got good testing and tracing in place and plenty of masks and hospital capacity you'll do better than otherwise. Originally Posted by Tiny

I think they all need to be studied to find out why they were so successful.

Sweden, in particular, did not shut their economy down and did really well.

We need to find out. In the meantime, I agree with testing, tracing, masks...

I will go backpack in the woods before I get a vaccine against my own will Originally Posted by Sienna91

When this is all over ... if it is all over... yous definitely should note on your business page that you were neither tested nor vaccinated against COVID-19.

Talk like that can’t be good for your business, Sienna.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/16/us/bo...ome/index.html

This is in response to the 17 bodies found

I believe it says it is not clear if this was because of coronavirus and it also says this nursing home has had multiple citations of not being sanitary

When this is all over ... if it is all over... yous definitely should note on your business page that you were neither tested nor vaccinated against COVID-19.

As a sex worker, yous should consider the health of your customers or find another line of work. or rebrand to something a little more accurately descriptive. Deliberately ignoring something like that puts everybody at risk.

There are members of this forum with a lot of experience at making up new names, Perhaps they can help.

Talk like that can’t be good for your business, Sienna. Originally Posted by HoeHummer

No one is begging you to see me first of all.

Secondly everyone that participates in this forum does it at their own free will also they participate in sex acts at their own free will so don't you dare get on here and try to trash me

It is Ludacris and insulting that you would even say that I would try to make up a new name so you can shut the hell up even trying to imply something so vile

and you need to get a new line of work instead of accusing people of something like giving folks the coronavirus

People who are at risk don't engage in hobbying right now

I am not a risk factor
I am completely healthy and extremely young and people have no qualms about seeing me and to my knowledge no one that has seen me has tested positive of coronavirus and you can look at my reviews and see that I have not seen that many people

so since you're going to hurl accusations at me what I need you to do is no longer address me

I am perfectly fine with partaking in a discussion but I do not like FALSE ACCUSATIONS so don't you ever address me again. AND YOU'RE BORDERING ON SLANDER

and I mean what I said

I will not be getting a vaccine that has not been tested safely and that they are hurling to the public in a short amount of time when they announced that it should be YEARS before this vaccine is safe so I am not going to put people at risk by getting a vaccine that has been given to us earlier than it should and that is something that I should post then have no f****** problem posting that

You are a complete a****** for making that comment to me

And it would be much safer to put myself AWAY from the public then it would be getting a untested vaccine before it's ready you ass. BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO QUOTE ME QUOTE ME CORRECTLY I LITERALLY SAID I WOULD PUT MYSELF IN THE WOODS MEANING TAKE MYSELF AWAY FROM SOCIETY. only a fool would get a vaccine in the 90 days that they said should take two years to produce..

you literally stay up on this formum with your liberal agenda and make the worst accusations against people because we don't want our rights taken away

No one is forcing you to come visit me I'm sorry that you believe in over government reach but the majority of us do not everyone knows the risk and being with the sex worker with and without the coronavirus keep that in mind

You are completely an idiot to think that people must get vaccines against their own will (that have not even been approved)
why don't you move to China and just become a communist since that is clearly what you want

I would not sit up here and have someone demonize me because I do not want my constitutional rights taken away and be a test guinea pig for the United States government

You can take your liberal agenda and stick it where the sun don't shine HOE

and since you're preaching for government over reach so much I want you to be the first one in line and if you're not the first one in line to get this vaccine why don't I just notify all the providers that you don't have it since you're trying to hurl accusations that I'm a risk to society

This is
America

In America we don't believe in government control overtaking the common sense of the American people

and not to stay the complete obvious but I am really not about to have someone on a sex forum sit up here and try to tell me about public health you got some damn nerve

now I've let you slide several times on different posts with that little smart mouth of yours but my Southern charm has really ran out with you

And furthermore, it would make sense for those that are higher risk to social distance themselves which is what all governors and this new plan to open up the country says with supporting data

No one is forcing anyone to for taking any activities but what you're not going to do is accuse me of something malicious because I am not here for it

Perhaps instead of telling me I'm unpatriotic and ignorant you could tell me why I'm wrong?... Originally Posted by Tiny

I must be having a bad hair day. I thought I asked you questions. You got a link to where I rightly called you anything of the sort? <-- notice the question marks -->?