One chart shows the Vaxx was worthless

The shots did not reduce COVID mortality and were a complete con job on the world.

compelling evidence that the COVID vaccines provided no mortality benefit whatsoever in just one publicly accessible plot.

You don’t need a fucking chart for that.
Many that got the shot, (it was NOT a vaccination), still got sick, and still were able to transmit the virus.

All of that 6 foot rule, mask, wiping stuff off was useless as well. How do we know? Just about everybody came down with it.

The entire Covid thing might go down as one of the biggest, and most preventable calamities to ever hit.

How do as it preventable. Just keep people like Fauchi and his Chico’s

buddies from fucking around trying to “enhance” crap that can kill you.

That sorry little bastard should be in Leavenworth. But the Auto Pen did it’s job.

Remember the vax you're railing against was developed by your cult leader...

Remember the vax you're railing against was developed by your cult leader... Originally Posted by 69in2it69

No, the vax was developed by Big Pharma who we now know under Fauci was involved in funding off shore gain of function research. then COVID happened. then Big Pharma made a quickie "flu shot". then they made billions. follow the money.

Remember the vax you're railing against was developed by your cult leader... Originally Posted by 69in2it69

... And your leader - Biden - FORCED almost the whole
country to get the jab - whether people wanted to or not.

... FORCED them... And then forced businesses to close.

... So, a "worthless" vaccine as far as preventing co-vid.

And a chat to show it.

#### Salty

Initially the mRNA vaccines were highly effective at preventing COVID. The Pfizer vaccine was 95% effective, and Moderna was 94.1% effective in preventing the disease. They maintained a 90%+ level of efficacy in the early months after vaccination until the Delta Variant hit. The Delta variant didn't become dominant over the Alpha variant until around June or July of 2021, around the endpoint of Texassapper's graph. And the efficacy of the vaccine for the Delta variant was still a respectable 66%.

Steve Kirsch's argument (see texassapper's link) is because a higher percentage of older people were vaccinated early on, and they were experiencing a much higher % of fatalities than younger people, the CFR ratio should have gone down a lot but didn't.

I'd argue his graph actually mostly shows that massive strides weren't being made in treating COVID during the first six months of 2021. That didn't come along until Paxlovid, which wasn't first available until December, 2021.

Kirsch actually uses ChatGPT to try to justify his theory! Well, he needs to quit slapping that bitch around until she finally tells him what he wants to hear. This is what she told me,

Question: Why didn't the case fatality ratio of COVID 19 drop during the first six months of 2021, after the introduction of COVID vaccines? A higher percentage of older people, with higher CFR ratios, received the vaccines, so you would expect the CFR to drop

Answer: Your reasoning is logical: because older adults—who had the highest case fatality ratios (CFRs)—were prioritized and vaccinated early in 2021, one might expect the overall CFR of COVID-19 cases to drop during the first half of the year. However, several factors contributed to the CFR remaining relatively stable or not dropping as sharply as expected:

1. Lag Between Vaccination and Protection
Full immunity from mRNA vaccines requires two doses spaced 3–4 weeks apart, plus about 2 weeks after the second dose for full effect.

Since vaccination of the elderly began in earnest in January 2021, meaningful protection only took hold by March or April for many recipients.

2. Increased Detection of Mild Cases
Expanded testing, especially among younger people, picked up more mild or asymptomatic infections, which may have lowered the denominator effect less than expected if testing rose uniformly across age groups.

3. Emergence of More Virulent Variants
The Alpha (B.1.1.7) variant, which emerged in late 2020 and became dominant in many countries in early 2021, was more transmissible and some data suggest it was also more deadly, potentially pushing CFR up.

4. Deaths Lag Behind Cases
There is a 2–4 week lag between infection and death. So even if cases started to drop or shift toward vaccinated groups in early 2021, the corresponding reduction in deaths would take time to appear in CFR data.

5. Health System Strain
In some regions, hospital systems were overwhelmed, particularly in January 2021 (e.g., post-holiday surges), which could increase mortality even among those not at highest risk.

... No worrys on yer opinion OR disagreement, mate.

And I will agree that it was a good vaccine for helping
to offour more protection for if someone got co-vid, as I DO
know several people who didn't get the jab and DID get
deathly ill when they got sick with co-vid.
And now wished that the would've got the jab.

But I ALSO agree-with President Trump that getting the vax
should have been a PERSONAL CHOICE and NOT forced on anyone.

#### Salty

... No worrys on yer opinion OR disagreement, mate.

And I will agree that it was a good vaccine for helping
to offour more protection for if someone got co-vid, as I DO
know several people who didn't get the jab and DID get
deathly ill when they got sick with co-vid.
And now wished that the would've got the jab.

But I ALSO agree-with President Trump that getting the vax
should have been a PERSONAL CHOICE and NOT forced on anyone.

#### Salty Originally Posted by Salty Again

Apologies to Salty and TxDot. I had to radically edit my post after taking a closer look at Texassapper's link. I still think Kirsch's argument is bull shit -- see post #9 below.

Salty was replying to this, which I wrote earlier,

Waco Kid, Jacky and Salty, I respectfully disagree based on personal experience. As WYID can testify from our exchanges on the board, I'm a paranoid hypochondriac. At the first sniffle I'm running for a COVID test kit. So if I had COVID, I'd probably know it. I've had six shots and just had COVID once. And it was absolutely nothing. Most common colds I've had were worse. It was over in a couple of days. All thanks to my supercharged immune system, due perhaps in part to Doctor Fauci. However, I honestly give President Trump more credit than anyone. Not only did his administration get Operation Warp Speed up and going, he personally pushed approvals of the mRNA vaccines through the FDA in record time. I really liked that about Trump.

The shots did not reduce COVID mortality and were a complete con job on the world.

compelling evidence that the COVID vaccines provided no mortality benefit whatsoever in just one publicly accessible plot.

Originally Posted by texassapper

One other thing, Kirsch doesn't help his case when he segments the data by age group in the Czech Republic. The fact that the CFR isn't going down in ANY age group is because, again, the vaccines during that 6 month period were 90% to 95% effective in preventing the disease in the first few months after vaccination. So most of the cases and most of the fatalities were in the unvaccinated. So why should the CFR change?

And something else. Kirsch presents a graph in the Czech Republic, extended through to June of 2022, that shows the CFR dropping to 1/2 of its initial level. He however gives no credit to the vaccine. Rather he implies the reason the CFR went down in the Czech Republic was because the Delta variant was less deadly than the Alpha variant. I'll call bull shit on that too. The CFR went down because more people had partial immunity from vaccination and previous infection. The Delta variant actually was more deadly.

Since Kirsch used ChatGPT, I shall too, again:

Question: Was the alpha variant more likely to cause death in the unvaccinated than Delta?

Answer: No, the Alpha variant (B.1.1.7) was less likely to cause death in the unvaccinated than the Delta variant (B.1.617.2).

Here’s how they compare:

1. Severity and Mortality

Alpha (B.1.1.7):

Emerged in the UK in late 2020.

About 30–70% more transmissible than the original strain.

Associated with a moderate increase in mortality over the original strain.

UK studies (e.g., Challen et al., BMJ 2021) estimated ~64% increased risk of death compared to earlier strains.

Delta (B.1.617.2):

Emerged in India in late 2020, spread globally by mid-2021.

Roughly 60% more transmissible than Alpha.

Caused more severe disease, especially in the unvaccinated.

Associated with higher hospitalization and ICU rates, and higher mortality than Alpha.

A Scottish study (Sheikh et al., Lancet 2021) found the risk of hospital admission with Delta was approximately double that with Alpha.

2. Mechanism

Delta had:

Higher viral load (up to 1000x more than earlier strains).

Shorter incubation period.

Greater ability to evade innate immunity, making it particularly dangerous to unvaccinated individuals.

Conclusion

Among unvaccinated people, Delta was significantly more lethal than Alpha. While both were more dangerous than the original strain, Delta’s increased virulence and transmissibility made it the most deadly variant prior to Omicron's emergence, especially in populations without immunity.

Is this another COVID vax thread?

Apologies to Salty and TxDot. I had to radically edit my post after taking a closer look at Texassapper's link. I still think Kirsch's argument is bull shit -- see post #9 below. Originally Posted by Tiny

No problem, no apologies needed.

I actually deleted my original post because I felt it was too harsh and off the cuff to pass muster. I wanted to think about it more and post something later. So here it is.

I’m not sure what the purpose this thread actually is? Haven’t we already had this particular discussion many times before? At this late date is it even still politically relevant?

It seems like we’ll just be repeating and rehashing old events. If you want to have a discussion about how the pandemic or the vaccine mandates affect current events that seems relevant. Arguing that the vaccine was effective or not somehow doesn’t seem politically relevant to me.

Peace

...At this late date is it even still politically relevant?... Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Where did ya go?


Seriously, once compelling data was compiled and driven through the censorship firewalls, a lot of people said exactly what you are saying.
Nothing to see here.
Move along.
Next psyop please...

The COVID "vaccine" had no benefit. Zero. Zip. Nada.

Here's official US government data, all in plain sight, so you can decide for yourself. If the vaccine reduced the risk of death, this data is simply impossible to explain.

Steve Kirsch Jun 19, 2024

...I contacted the senior author of the research letter, Ziyad Al-Aly, who is a highly published epidemiologist with an h-index of 82 who works for the VA.

I asked him how, if the vaccines worked, you could get a result like this where it clearly shows the net hospitalization benefit is near ZERO for both vaccines.

He couldn’t explain it either.

I suggested to him that he write a follow up Letter to JAMA to point out this truly game-changing observation in his paper, but he said he didn’t have time.

But I thought this was pretty darn important.

So I collaborated with Mark Mead and Paul Marik and we wrote a Letter to the Editor to JAMA to point out this stunning result.

JAMA rejected it as not important enough for their journal. Wow.

You show that the COVID and flu vaccines are a complete scam and that isn’t good enough to make it into JAMA?!?!?

We have the rejection letter, but it is marked confidential at the request of Gregory Curfman, MD, Executive Editor, JAMA....

Guessing the censorship firewall is still holding firm...

Neurolization complete!

More ccnspiracy BS.

The record is broken pals. Get a new one please. This one is on endlesss loop.

RFK Jr. Is right. He is crazy.

More ccnspiracy BS.

The record is broken pals. Get a new one please. This one is on endlesss loop.

RFK Jr. Is right. He is crazy. Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

You are your woke butt buddies are a broken record.

White people are bad, Trump is bad, men are women.

Fetch me a drink, (Staff Edit - Biomed1)