Can Trump pull off the deal of the century?

... Why? ... Because they want Trump to fail, mate.
They hope and pray that Trump's "Deal of the Century"
- a resolution between Ukraine and Russia - doesn't succeed.

The liberals have little else - the Dems are a shambles
- so they look for other nations to attack Trump.

#### Salty Originally Posted by Salty Again

TACO is a pussy and Putin just fucked him.

Sir Tony Brenton had an interesting take on the meeting on CNN this afternoon. Brenton is a career British civil servant and old Russia hand who served as Britain's ambassador to Russia from 2004 to 2008, during Labour Party administrations.

Witkoff said today Russia was willing to accept security guarantees from the U.S. and other nations, akin to NATO's Title 5. Title 5 states that an armed attack against one NATO member is an attack against them all. Conversations between the Trump administration and European officials appear to confirm that Russia has agreed to accept robust security guarantees for Ukraine.

Brenton said Russia didn't and won't agree, under any circumstances, to Ukrainian membership in NATO. But a guarantee like what Witkoff described is just as good.

Brenton in fact believes the two countries now have a good path towards peace. And the meeting this Friday may be the beginning of the end. The security guarantee was the most problematic stumbling block.

I heard that Hillary Clinton's going to nominate Donald Trump for a Nobel Peace Price if he pulls this off! Wouldn't that be something! That would be a magnanimous gesture, and a great way to start putting this divided country back together again.

TACO is a pussy and Putin just fucked him. Originally Posted by royamcr

if you say so


Putin agreed to let U.S., Europe offer NATO-style protections for Ukraine, Trump envoy says

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine...ty-guarantees/

Sir Tony Brenton had an interesting take on the meeting on CNN this afternoon. Brenton is a career British civil servant and old Russia hand who served as Britain's ambassador to Russia from 2004 to 2008, during Labour Party administrations.

Witkoff said today Russia was willing to accept security guarantees from the U.S. and other nations, akin to NATO's Title 5. Title 5 states that an armed attack against one NATO member is an attack against them all. Conversations between the Trump administration and European officials appear to confirm that Russia has agreed to accept robust security guarantees for Ukraine.

Brenton said Russia didn't and won't agree, under any circumstances, to Ukrainian membership in NATO. But a guarantee like what Witkoff described is just as good.

Brenton in fact believes the two countries now have a good path towards peace. And the meeting this Friday may be the beginning of the end. The security guarantee was the most problematic stumbling block.

I heard that Hillary Clinton's going to nominate Donald Trump for a Nobel Peace Price if he pulls this off! Wouldn't that be something! That would be a magnanimous gesture, and a great way to start putting this divided country back together again. Originally Posted by Tiny

it was always about NATO. and the referendum for the Donetsk region to be annexed by Russia

... Why? ... Because they want Trump to fail, mate.
They hope and pray that Trump's "Deal of the Century"
- a resolution between Ukraine and Russia - doesn't succeed.

The liberals have little else - the Dems are a shambles
- so they look for other nations to attack Trump.

#### Salty Originally Posted by Salty Again

Can you point out where the libbys say they don't want a mutually agreed upon deal between all parties?

We'll be wwwaaaiiiiiittttttiiiiiinnnggg .

Diaper Don may be president, but a deal maker he is not. Diaper Don is a joke and the world is laughing at him and us 🤣 Originally Posted by Hdtown

And Russians too.

Can’t trust anything Putin puts forth. And anyone that believes that Ukraine will get article 5 style protection in a deal is foolish. Putin says that today but will sink it with more requirements that will make implementation impossible. He wants Ukraine disarmed, that’s crazy. And he wants Ukraine to cede more territory than they’ve actually lost. Again, crazy. You pro-peace at any cost folks are simply playing into Russian’s hands.

I heard that Hillary Clinton's going to nominate Donald Trump for a Nobel Peace Price if he pulls this off! Wouldn't that be something! That would be a magnanimous gesture, and a great way to start putting this divided country back together again. Originally Posted by Tiny

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary...s-ukraine-war/ Click here for the full article.

Hillary Clinton says she'd nominate Trump for Nobel Peace Prize if he ends Ukraine war without giving territory to Russia

Washington — Hillary Clinton, the former secretary of state and President Trump's former rival on the presidential campaign trail, said Friday that if Mr. Trump secures an end to the war in Ukraine without Kyiv ceding territory to Russia, she would nominate him for the Nobel Peace Prize herself.
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What are the odds of Putin giving up territory including Crimea?

President Trump has a multitude of European Leaders at the White House at this moment.

They are there to meet with the President of The United States.

Could it be President Trump knows exactly what he is doing?

No. They are there for the exact opposite reason, they know he is clueless.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary...s-ukraine-war/ Click here for the full article.

Hillary Clinton says she'd nominate Trump for Nobel Peace Prize if he ends Ukraine war without giving territory to Russia

Washington — Hillary Clinton, the former secretary of state and President Trump's former rival on the presidential campaign trail, said Friday that if Mr. Trump secures an end to the war in Ukraine without Kyiv ceding territory to Russia, she would nominate him for the Nobel Peace Prize herself.
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What are the odds of Putin giving up territory including Crimea? Originally Posted by txdot-guy

So you're saying she's going to weasel out on a technicality if Trump ends the war? Oh well, there's going to be a line a mile long of world leaders looking to nominate Trump for a Nobel Peace Prize anyway. Leaders of Israel, Pakistan, Armenia and Azerbaijan already have!

Can’t trust anything Putin puts forth. And anyone that believes that Ukraine will get article 5 style protection in a deal is foolish. Putin says that today but will sink it with more requirements that will make implementation impossible. He wants Ukraine disarmed, that’s crazy. And he wants Ukraine to cede more territory than they’ve actually lost. Again, crazy. You pro-peace at any cost folks are simply playing into Russian’s hands. Originally Posted by 1blackman1

What's crazy is using Ukrainians for neoconservative cannon fodder. CNN showed some poll results this morning. Back in 2022, 23% of Ukrainians wanted to negotiate an end to the war ASAP. Now it's 69%.

I'm glad the pro-war at any cost folks don't control the world. If they did, those of us left might just be walking around in some kind of post-nuclear-war apocalyptic no man's land, like something out of a Mad Max movie. Or "A Boy and His Dog."

No. They are there for the exact opposite reason, they know he is clueless. Originally Posted by 1blackman1

... And yet - that's NOT what those World Leaders
are saying.

#### Salty

Putin doesn't even want peace. He won't even agree to a ceasefire. He wants it all. That's not bad-mouthing Trump. That's just being realistic.

Trump thinks that Putin has this immense amount of respect for him that he has had for no other POTUS before him. In reality, Putin is just a snake who knows he is dealing with a geezer simpleton who he can placate with niceties and faux praise while he blows up innocent civilians while trying to overtake their country... that's not being pro Putin Trumpettes, that's just what's been proven by Putin's actions and defiance.

The only way you can broker a deal with a rabid dog like Putin is if he miraculously starts caring about killing and that man doesn't even give a shit if his own people die if it takes their loss to get what he wants so no, forget about a deal with that deranged animal. That's not Trump's fault; it's Putin's parents' fault for having a demon spawn.

What's crazy is using Ukrainians for neoconservative cannon fodder. CNN showed some poll results this morning. Back in 2022, 23% of Ukrainians wanted to negotiate an end to the war ASAP. Now it's 69%.

I'm glad the pro-war at any cost folks don't control the world. If they did, those of us left might just be walking around in some kind of post-nuclear-war apocalyptic no man's land, like something out of a Mad Max movie. Or "A Boy and His Dog." Originally Posted by Tiny

Of course they want the war to end. What’s the percentage that say give up 20% of the country to Russia to end the war. I’ll bet that number is significantly less than 69%. That’s probably a better indicator than your relied upon number.

... And yet - that's NOT what those World Leaders
are saying.

#### Salty Originally Posted by Salty Again

Then you’re not listening. They said exactly what I stated.

A few thoughts from Bret Stephens on neo-conservatism that I agree with.

https://archive.ph/gjvSs

Trump Just Reminded Me of Why I’m Still a Neocon

What would a traditional neocon say about Trump’s latest diplomatic efforts between Russia and Ukraine? A few points.

First, we’d note that dictators who are contemptuous of the rights of their own people tend to be equally contemptuous of the rights of other countries. That’s why some of us were ringing alarms about the global threat from Putin when many liberals still thought he was negotiable. By retreating from his threat to sanction Russia if it didn’t agree to a cease-fire, Trump has simply ratified Putin’s strategy of contempt.

Second, dictators who do not abide by the rule of law at home will not honor international agreements, either. The Soviet Union violated virtually every arms control agreement it signed. Putin’s Russia has followed suit with violations of the 1987 Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, the 1994 Budapest memorandum supposedly guaranteeing Ukraine’s territorial integrity and the Minsk agreements that were supposed to end the fighting between Ukraine and Russia in 2015. Whatever deal Putin may yet sign will simply be another paper promise he’ll inevitably break.

Third, Putin does not see Trump’s chummy manner, his effort to forge personal ties, as an invitation to be reasonable. He sees it as vanity and therefore weakness: The perennial hankering of Western politicians for a deal, a win, a Nobel Prize. Even worse is Trump’s constant blaming of Joe Biden for the war, which would make the United States responsible for the war Putin started — exactly the anti-American narrative Putin wishes to advance.

Fourth, neocons subscribe to a “broken windows” theory of international order: If disorder goes unchecked, or if aggression is rewarded, in one part of the world, it will encourage disorder and aggression in other parts. Some in this administration, particularly the Pentagon’s Elbridge Colby, seem to think that settling the war in Ukraine will allow the United States to concentrate its efforts on containing China. In fact, nothing will do more to encourage Chinese adventurism against Taiwan or in the South China Sea than to see Putin rewarded in Ukraine.

Fifth, neocons believe that American ideals do not undermine American power; rather, they march hand in hand. When the United States lent destroyers to the United Kingdom in 1940, we created the conditions that allowed us to prevail in World War II. When we stood up for West Berlin in the face of Soviet threats, we secured an oasis of freedom that would eventually lead to the fall of the Berlin Wall and the end of the Soviet Union. By putting the interests of what Trump calls “peace” ahead of the interests of freedom, we are all but guaranteeing that Ukraine will lose both.

Sixth, international guarantees are mostly worthless unless backed by credible and overwhelming power. If Putin has reason to doubt America’s commitment to Ukraine’s independence — and Trump has done nothing but give him reasons — he or his successors will seek ways to violate it.

Seventh, the only way to guarantee an end to this conflict is steadfast opposition to Putin through sanctions, ostracism and military and economic support for Ukraine and every other country Russia threatens. Trump aims to do the opposite.