Charlie Kirk shot, another conservative assassination attempt.

Massive difference between understandable and acceptable.

That said, Charlie Kirk both understood and accepted that he was a potential target for his views and that protecting the 2nd Amendment involves some gun deaths.

Should he have been? No. But I can understand why he was. It's not that shocking given the many horrors I have seen people inflict on people Originally Posted by HDGristle

So then if ANY political commentator is shot and killed, you find that understandable? There are plenty of people who make a living by expressing opinions that are inflammatory to some subset of the population, whether left or right. Would it be understandable if someone killed Van Jones or one of the hosts on The View? There are quite a lot of people who disagree and are angered by the opinions those people express everyday. Or is it only understandable when a right-wing commentator is killed?

I do find it shocking. When is the last case where a political commentator on either side was killed for exercising his or her First Amendment right to free speech? If it’s understandable, shouldn’t it have happened before? Kirk is hardly the first person on the right to piss off people on the left and will almost certainly not be the last.

So then if ANY political commentator is shot and killed, you find that understandable? There are plenty of people who make a living by expressing opinions that are inflammatory to some subset of the population, whether left or right. Would it be understandable if someone killed Van Jones or one of the hosts on The View? There are quite a lot of people who disagree and are angered by the opinions those people express everyday. Or is it only understandable when a right-wing commentator is killed?

I do find it shocking. When is the last case where a political commentator on either side was killed for exercising his or her First Amendment right to free speech? If it’s understandable, shouldn’t it have happened before? Kirk is hardly the first person on the right to piss off people on the left and will almost certainly not be the last. Originally Posted by Smarty1

Yeah, NOW they bring up Charlie Kirks words on the 2nd, and agree that he deserved to die, glee, just like when Trump was shot in Butler.

But that's only after they all called for gun control after every single shooting, except for a white conservative guy, and Trump.

Worse, they use the guys own words to justify his death.

Groovy vibes, huh?

At least now they can all go out and get a 4th plate to add to JFK, RFK, and MLK set of three already on their walls, a complete set of four Americans who were assassinated because of their politics.

Funny thing is, Charlie Kirk is more like those three other victims, he's more old School Democrat, than any Democrat alive today.

And MLK, was a Republican, so........

Yeah, NOW they bring up Charlie Kirks words on the 2nd, and agree that he deserved to die, glee, just like when Trump was shot in Butler.

But that's only after they all called for gun control after every single shooting, except for a white conservative guy, and Trump.

Worse, they use the guys own words to justify his death.

Groovy vibes, huh?

At least now they can all go out and get a 4th plate to add to JFK, RFK, and MLK set of three already on their walls, a complete set of four Americans who were assassinated because of their politics.

Funny thing is, Charlie Kirk is more like those three other victims, he's more old School Democrat, than any Democrat alive today.

And MLK, was a Republican, so........ Originally Posted by Devo

Where are, and when has anyone been advocating for less gun control, before and after Kirk got shot?
Don't think anyone has been advocating for less strict gun control.

He was shot with a 30-06 bolt action rifle, which is hunting gear for anyone out of the firearms loop. There’s no irony involved in Kirk’s stand on the firearms that the left is frothing at the mouth to ban. He was good at what he did, having open and honest dialogue with young people. That’s why he’s dead.

So then if ANY political commentator is shot and killed, you find that understandable? There are plenty of people who make a living by expressing opinions that are inflammatory to some subset of the population, whether left or right. Would it be understandable if someone killed Van Jones or one of the hosts on The View? There are quite a lot of people who disagree and are angered by the opinions those people express everyday. Or is it only understandable when a right-wing commentator is killed?

I do find it shocking. When is the last case where a political commentator on either side was killed for exercising his or her First Amendment right to free speech? If it’s understandable, shouldn’t it have happened before? Kirk is hardly the first person on the right to piss off people on the left and will almost certainly not be the last. Originally Posted by Smarty1

I can understand a great many things I don't condone or engage in. None of your examples would shock me. I expect that more than one has their own security detail like Charlie Kirk and gets death threats on the regular, like Charlie Kirk.

Doesn't mean them dying would be any less reprehensible. As I keep mentioning, violence isn't the way.

Where are, and when has anyone been advocating for less gun control, before and after Kirk got shot?
Don't think anyone has been advocating for less strict gun control. Originally Posted by onawbtngr546

just normal RedHat rage posting. Not much of is coherent to me- but thems the brakes. You could post all day that you didn't think Kirk should be shot. I certainly feel that way. But am I surprised that he was-- nope. Not even a little bit.

The blame of it goes for the party head who every day uses words to divise vs. to heal. Unity of the country for some reason isn't something this POTUS has ANY concept of how to do. His rage button is right beside the diet coke one.

He was good at what he did, having open and honest dialogue with young people. That’s why he’s dead. Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

can you define open and honest? Cause I've heard nothing but christian nationalist viewpoints from CK since forever. You may think those views line up with yours- and that's fine. BUT clearly not everyone feels the same way.

Where I find conservatists talk about godly bible teachings- and all the trimmings, and watch them defy and break ever single one of those ideas daily- I'm sickened to my stomach that they hide behind a book of ideas, and live like heathens. Mike-Little' Johnson is one of the biggest hypocrites and those scripture quotes and bible groups, laying on of hands, is absolutely so NOT what our founding fathers had in mind. They actually specifically said to keep church and state separate for a reason. It was so that nobody had to be or act of a specific religion to be accepted, and today you got dumbasses yelling - Lets get rid of that idea all together. You know who that group is?


YEP

CHRIStiAN Nationalist. --- Sorry but Fuck them.

https://www.wired.com/story/right-wi...e-kirks-death/


Freedom of speech! Except when dear leader says no, than his rabid goons dox you.

Surprise surprise surprise....

Charlie Kirk Sniper’s Ammo Has ‘Trans Ideology and Anti-Fascist’ Engravings: Cops https://share.google/oQ5o8EkRPLec3ExAZ

Originally Posted by Devo

... Too Right they bring it up NOW, mate.
It's how they try to justify their GLEE and JOY
that he's DEAD.

... Even that Charlie's comments were surely akin to
believing that - yes, there will be car deaths IF people
continue to drive cars - but it's necessary risk.
We WILL continue to drive cars.

And Charlie's comments were also akin to the very fact
that you send yer joeys to school each day, even-with
the realm of possibility that you might never see
the child again... Bus crash, fire at the schoolhouse
or even a school shooter.
So having the joey attend a day school is necessary risk.

... That was Charlie's point concerning gun deaths
and the 2nd amendment.

... It really ain't complicated, mates.
No need to make it so.

#### Salty

Where are, and when has anyone been advocating for less gun control, before and after Kirk got shot?
Don't think anyone has been advocating for less strict gun control. Originally Posted by onawbtngr546

I guess reading and understanding correctly wasnt covered in your classes

https://www.wired.com/story/right-wi...e-kirks-death/


Freedom of speech! Except when dear leader says no, than his rabid goons dox you. Originally Posted by onawbtngr546

... Hey mate - YOU don't really wanna discuss the idea
of Free Speech here in the forum, do ya?

Don't YOU believe the Pittsburgh forum is too political?

Maybe Charlie's death should be discussed someplace else.

#### Salty

This is the divisive tribalism that Charlie Kirk made his money on

So, the close up video is circulating on social media of Charlie being shot.

Have any of you watched it?

Thoughts? Originally Posted by Devo

I did. It's gruesome and I've seen some pretty graphic things. It seems like the shooter was fairly close based on the impact and gunshot sound. But I had a difficult time seeing the direction from the way Kirk moves post being hit. It looks like the initial impact may have been on his right side or from the front since he only moves slightly to his left. The bullet did tremendous damage to soft tissue. If you're squeamish don't look at the unedited version. A very large loss of blood from his neck area. It makes me sad to see life snuffed out in a snap of the finger. Pretty sure he was out upon impact.