I've been thinking about this topic for a few days, and at the chance of pissing a few ladies off, would like to add SO's/boyfriends/hubby's to the list. If a lady allows one of THESE to control who she sees or what she can do during her dates, then he is no better than a pimp. Do you think that we, as providers, do not share the basic needs for affection and companionship as the general public? Providers have the ability and the RIGHT to limit or extend services to whomever they please as long as the hobbyist is forewarned prior to the appointment then it should never become an issue.
If I am with a lady and she says, "I only do THAT with my boyfriend," then I will never see her again. Ridiculous for obvious reasons.
Originally Posted by Abe Normal
My main beef was with "kissing," but it can also be applied to bbbj, cim, or greek. You can take what I said anyway you want....won't cause me to lose sleep over it. I've heard 'em all, and I'd wager that 99% of the guys here have heard the ol' "I only do that with my BF" statement at least once in the hobby. If the lady does not provide that at home either, then fine, but just don't cheat the client. I'm so confused as to why you are concerned with a provider's personal life. My clients are well aware of my menu prior to booking a session. I don't feel that I am CHEATING anyone if I refuse to negotiate my menu. Regardless of what I choose to do in my private life.
A hubby/boyfriend/SO/ pimp sitting at home on his sorry ass, unemployed, waiting on the old lady to get home from her session with his beer/drug money, then using her any way he wants, is no better than a pimp. THAT, in a nutshell was my beef. In all actuality, the money is no longer yours. The money was given as an exchange for services provided. If we choose to rip in to shreds and sprinkle it around our incalls then that is our choice. It's ours. We earned it. Period.
There once was a top ten provider in the Nashville area. She was around 10-12 years. Everybody loved her. She had hundreds of reviews. Many times she was asked to provide greek, and every time the guy was shot down with " I only do that in my private life." More power to her. She got the $$$$$$$$ anyway, but the clients' needs were not met. His needs were not met?! Are you insinuating that because a provider prefers to partake in certain activities outside the hobby then she is no longer capable of satisfying her clients? By your own admission the provider in question was successful so apparently she met the needs of a hobbyist here and there during those 10-12 years.
Just don't tell me I have to look elsewhere for a specific desire, then run home to pimp daddy and give him what you denied me.....for fucking free no less, LOL... And why the FUCK not?! Who in the hell are you?! Surely you don't think that because you purchase an hour or so of a lady's time that you have the authority to say what she should/should not do with the remaining hours of her life for which you have not paid.
To clarify further, if I ask for something you don't provide, then say, "I don't do that, sorry." Regardless of your beliefs, I am a gentleman and will accept your answer. Don't tell me I ain't getting it but someone else at home is ! Inflated Ego? Overestimated sense of importance?! Inability to view providers as anything other than spineless tits and ass? So many things wrong here...
Originally Posted by Abe Normal
Slight thread highjack, I know. I completely agree with the OP. Pimps are horrible, manipulative men who prey on weak, immature women. There is no argument there. Pimps will continue to flourish if the hobbyist continues to patronize women who are known to have pimp affiliation. Booking sessions with a pimped provider is condoning the lifestyle and ensuring that the pimp-trend becomes ever more popular.
It is ludicrous to suggest that we, as independent providers, should make it our personal crusade to inform these poor, hapless hobbyist of a provider's management status. The accused will play the innocent, bullied victim and then retaliate with rumors of their own and we will sully our own reputations in the process. The mediators will be viewed as catty, childish, drama-ridden, etc.
It is exhausting to try and determine who has/doesn't have management. Of course, there are plenty of obvious clues:
Backpage time stamps - If you notice several girls posting ads back to back, within minutes of one another, it might be noteworthy. NOT ALWAYS! ...just something to consider.
Background similarities - If you notice 2 or 3 girls posing on the same sofa, in front of the same pool, beside the same vehicle then it may be possible these women know one another...
Doubles partners - I know several well-reviewed, popular providers in the AR forum who are members of the same "pimp family". Anytime I see these women offering doubles with a new, inexperienced provider then I safely assume that the pimp has expanded his stable and is training a new puppet.
So many more but like I've said, it's exhausting. I despise pimps and if I am absolutely sure that a provider is working with management then I do not share references and I make it a point to inform any client of my reasoning. Most times, the client will seek the providers company despite my own warnings so it's really a moot point. I do not go out of my way to find out what any particular provider does in her spare time and I only involve myself if the pimp presence is blatant and undeniable. I think we should at least make these idiots do a better job of hiding.....Sheesh.
As for the quote above, this is a personal pet peeve of my own. I realize that we are providers and that hobbyist would love to think that we do not seek other, more emotionally satisfying relationships outside the hobby. This is a ridiculous idea. We have the same basic needs as any other woman. Why should we not?! I hobby because I enjoy it. I don't do it to support a drug habit or a pimp daddy. I work at my own leisure and I am selective with the clients I see. I require more from my clients than the standard donation. Placing a few hundred dollars on the nightstand does not give you the right to make judgements or voice opinions on anything non-hobby related. I deserve respect and have no problem asking them and their donation get the hell out if they are unable to accommodate that very basic request. I have a zero-tolerance policy for assholes who overestimate the value of the almightily dollar. I am a provider. I am providing a service. I reserve the right to refuse service to whomever I choose. I am always fair and upfront with anyone interested in booking a session. I love being able to spend time with my clients. I like getting to know them, laughing with them, and I sometimes miss them if they stay away too long. I can honestly say that NONE of the men I'm choosing to spend time with nowadays has an issue with anything in my non-hobby life. With a few I have shared personal information, or asked for advice and they were/are always happy to help. They view me as a beautiful, young woman who has an active social life. We have a mutual respect for one another. I will never understand the hobbyist who feels justified to offer his opinions of a provider's private life when the issue does not directly affect him.
