A few posters....are not the Majority

You know when I start feeling out of sorts I take a long hot steaming bath with epsom salts, dry off put on my Quinceañera dress that I bought at Fiesta and turn the ceiling fan on high, put my feet up in my recliner and take a snooze.

There's something soothing and relaxing about a gently wafting breeze tickling the dandies. You just wake up feeling refreshed from all that natural ventilation. Since I started doing that, why my scrotum skin is as taut and supple as it was in my twenties. I feel so rejuvenated that I'm in such a good mood, nothing gets my goat. Now I appreciate why the Scots wear kilts and the Greeks wear fustanellas.

And if that doesn't work, there's always that old beehive and the sand wedge for an emergency.

You know when I start feeling out of sorts I take a long hot steaming bath with epsom salts, dry off put on my Quinceañera dress that I bought at Fiesta Originally Posted by Carl

You flatter me. My legs have never looked that good.

damn VL! thats just wrong but also somewhat arousing too. hmmm? i think im a lesbian trapped in a mans body

Sophia, 10 people, and that's probably a stretch, out of 3500 viewers. Not too high a percentage. So, who is the vocal minority majority? Originally Posted by Pflugerbill

Those are just the former posters I can think of off the top of my head who have specifically said to me that they avoid co-ed -- people who used to be active participants. Lurkers, by definition, don't post anyway so it's sorta irrelevant. What I said is that VOICES were being lost. I guess you can continue to call me a liar if you want to -- first amendment and all.

Snoopdogg, thank you for starting this thread. There is a need to stand up.

I'm not looking for love or drama. I think the hobby is best understood as a friendly business transaction.

I object to the denigration of anyone anywhere, and that includes women in sexwork -- no one forfeits their humanity when they take an honest job. If anyone talked about Blacks or Jews or Poles or ... the way some around here talk about women -- as commodities who'd better not get uppity -- modern people would be up in arms. The casual denigration of women disgusts me. Originally Posted by johnnytx39

Absolutely. Easy to wave a flag and condemn the Nazi and rally your troops to attack... Germans?

I have failed to see this rampant denigration of women here. The closest thing that I have seen are statements pointing out that hobbyists are customer/client base, and that it would benefit the business to listen to feedback from the customer base. Aside from that, there have been on-going, long-standing feuds between specific individuals.

I hate child molesters, if you hate child molesters, you would support the local providers!

Well, the first amendment also includes freedom of religion. And, Sophia, I'm sure you've made many a soul cry out, "Oh, God!" And not in a bad way. Like when they see my in my Quinceañera dress.

Well, the first amendment also includes freedom of religion. And, Sophia, I'm sure you've made many a soul cry out, "Oh, God!" And not in a bad way. Like when they see my in my Quinceañera dress. Originally Posted by Carl

Fortunately, Quinceañera dresses are floor length. I can't imagine seeing you dressed in that ghastly purple number above.

You're right about the color. With my complexion, I look better in earth tones.

Greymouse, I love you! Originally Posted by Crystalkitty

I love you too Crystal.

I used to shy away from the L-word anywhere near the Hobby but one of its meanings is the opposite of hate and that is a good place to start from. There is, I think, room for Agape as well as Eros in a community of mutually respecting people who go looking for Erotic love where and how it can be found rather than waiting for it to fall from the sky or mourning its disappearance from their lives.

If we want to get down to brass tacks about raw numbers:

Views of the current OMGDRAMA thread: 3,283
Views of this OMGIHATEDRAMA DRAMA thread: 1,279
Views of a week-old review: 11,474

Just in case anyone was in doubt over what "the silent majority" was interested in.

Personally, yes, I rather enjoyed the atmosphere of the old Austin ASPD boards. It was more laid back - you know, similar to Austin itself - and women along with men were treated with respect. Apparently this is "white knighting" or being someone "who gets no attention elsewhere" to point this out, and we should all aspire to the greatness of the Houston or Dallas boards here and on ASPD, which were chiefly, as far as I could tell, people bitching at each other in weekly drama fests, with little moderation to damp down the flames.

If that's what "the vocal majority" wants, great! And being so vocal about being free to speak their mind about "disagreeing with the hive mind", perhaps they would understand when others who disagree with *them* do so as well.

And the "silent majority" will continue to ignore this particular forum completely, and rely on reviews which frequently have a bias (pro- or con-), the randomly scheduled meet-up, or just taking a random chance at winning a TOFTT t-shirt instead of using this forum for its intended purpose - determining which of many providers you feel compatible with for the moments when you're not showing off your Viagra-fueled prowess and actually, you know, talking to the person you're spending time with.

Of course, as with so much else here, your mileage may vary.

@Vyt: agree x 100.

Only wish I could read reviews -- I'm sure they're more interesting than all the crap in co-ed.

Absolutely. Easy to wave a flag and condemn the Nazi and rally your troops to attack... Germans?

I have failed to see this rampant denigration of women here. The closest thing that I have seen are statements pointing out that hobbyists are customer/client base, and that it would benefit the business to listen to feedback from the customer base. Originally Posted by Rand Al'Thor

Rand: I am sorry to have to say that is a bizarre metaphor. This isn't about choosing up sides and fighting, however appealing that seems to be to so many men. It is really about coming to term with the Golden Rule which, in less Seventeen Century language, says the best way to get people to treat you the way you would like for them to treat you is to treat them the same way. That is not hard to grasp. The next part might be a little more of stretch but likely you can reach out there and grab it: women are people too. That is all there is to it.

Earlier in this thread you said you didn't know if you were "considered part of the "Attack Pack". I wouldn't consider you to be, but like a lot of men here who want to appear Manly to themselves in front of their virtual male peer group there is a temptation to ratchet up the Manliness a bit by throwing the the occasional rhetorical rock at the Pink Team. You might get an attaboy from the Pack. Abstractly I can see how it might be hard to fight against that.

I say "abstractly" because I don't have a male peer group and never have had one. I like women, I don't like men although I admire some men's work. I don't like them, as a group, because most of them are what Mark Twain called "Self-Made Bastards" who could be named as such without any insult to their mothers, who probably did the best they could to civilize the little heatherns. But the seductive pull of the peer group, real or virtual, was too strong. The disagreeable thing, to me, is how Proud so many men seem to be of having made themselves into such sorry excuses for human beings.

Women, on the other hand, for me, are the source of everything that makes life worth living and and the awful mess that the testosterone-fueled minority has made of most of the world worth putting up with. What anyone finds attractive about male camaraderie is really and truly mysterious to me.

And if you don't see "denigration of women here" here perhaps you need to clean your glasses. If you have gotten too near "Shouts" and the Pack they likely have had considerable spittle sprayed on them.

That's bull......... Many do not participate in this drivel because they have a life and better things to do. Originally Posted by Pflugerbill

DING DING DING DING DING!
I have never really had a backing for female feminists but after reading this thread i will make an acceptation for male feminists! Thanks guys!*


*this comment has nothing to do with pflugerbill's comment.

What anyone finds attractive about male camaraderie is really and truly mysterious to me. Originally Posted by greymouse

Interesting. From an outsider looking in, I always thought there was something pretty awesome about male camaraderie. Especially in battle.