I think Biden will remain in the white house after the audits.Really Dilbert? They’ll overturn the down ballot races and not the Presidential race? What if foreign interference aided by domestic actors comes out? Will the military recognize Biden as POTUS? Do they recognize him now?
there isn't a law that deals with this type of fraud.
its a done deal.. what the audit will do is just deligitamize biden's win.
now, it is very possible that the audits will flip the house and senate races, that means those races that were affected prolly will have to be re-run. that will be up to the judge or the state election apparatus. Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm
- bambino
- 04-25-2021, 01:13 PM
- dilbert firestorm
- 04-25-2021, 01:29 PM
From Missoula, Montana
https://www.wnd.com/2021/03/unexplai...ntage-ballots/
'Unexplained irregularities' found in large percentage of ballots
River of doubt runs through mail voting in Big Sky country
WND News Services By WND News Services
Published March 24, 2021 at 2:20pm
[Editor's note: This story originally was published by Real Clear Investigations.]
By John R. Lott Jr.
Real Clear Investigations
MISSOULA COUNTY, Montana — A mountainous, 2,600-square-mile region with a population of approximately 119,600 does not seem like your prototypical setting for machine politics. Yet a recent audit of mail-in ballots cast there found irregularities characteristic of larger urban centers — on a level that could have easily swung local elections in 2020, and statewide elections in cycles past.
The Biden administration, the Democrat-controlled Congress, and the Democratic National Committee are collectively pressing to both nationalize, and make permanent, many of the extraordinary pandemic-driven voting measures implemented during the 2020 election —particularly mass mail-in voting.
Political leaders and prominent media outlets have dismissed concerns raised by critics that such measures invite voter fraud. But could the election in small-county Missoula call all that into question?
The story at hand begins during the pandemic summer of 2020, when the then-governor, Democrat Steve Bullock, issued a directive permitting counties to conduct the general election fully by mail. In the run-up to the election, a court also struck down Montana’s law aimed at preventing ballot harvesting.
Missoula, Montana’s second most populous county and one of its most heavily Democratic, opted in to the universal vote-by-mail regime.
In response, in October 2020, several county residents with experience targeting election integrity issues formed a group to ensure the legitimacy of the 2020 vote. The members contended that Missoula County had shown anomalies in elections past.
In November, the group approached state Rep. Brad Tschida, a Republican, to formally take up the issue. Tschida hired a lawyer involved in the group, Quentin Rhoades, to represent him in corresponding with Missoula County Elections Administrator Bradley Seaman, a Democratic appointee and a longtime supporter of progressive causes.
Seaman’s office complied with Tschida’s request for access to all of the county’s ballot envelopes, and on Jan. 4 a team of volunteers, overseen by Rhoades, conducted an audit with the assistance of the Missoula County Elections Office. The audit consisted of both a count and review of all ballot envelopes and comparing that to the number of officially recorded votes during the Nov. 3, 2020, general election.
Its conclusions were troubling: 4,592 out of the 72,491 mail-in ballots lacked envelopes— 6.33% of all votes. Without an officially printed envelope with registration information, a voter's signature, and a postmark indicating whether it was cast on time, election officials cannot verify that a ballot is legitimate. It is against the law to count such votes.
What’s more, according to auditors, county employees claimed that during the post-election audit, some of the envelopes may have been double-counted, possibly indicating an even higher number of missing envelopes.
Auditors also tested a smaller, random sub-sample of 15,455 mail-in envelopes for other defects. Of these, 55 lacked postmark dates, and 53 never had their signatures checked — for a total of 0.7% of all ballots in the sample. No envelope had more than one irregularity.
Extrapolating from the sub-sample, that would make more than 5,000 of Missoula County’s votes — roughly 7% — with unexplained irregularities.
Still another issue arose during the audit that aroused auditors’ suspicions: Dozens of ballot envelopes bore strikingly similar, distinctive handwriting styles in the signatures, suggesting that one or several persons may have filled out and submitted multiple ballots, an act of fraud.
One auditor asserted that of 28 envelopes reviewed from the same address, a nursing home, all 28 signatures looked “exactly the same” stylistically.
Another auditor reported that among the envelopes she reviewed, two very unique signatures appeared dozens of times, describing one such signature as starting out flat, moving to a peak, and tapering out, and another as consisting of numerous circles — a “bubble signature.”
Auditors were unable to conduct a more comprehensive count because, they say, Missoula County elections officials refused to permit them to take pictures of the signatures, and envelopes were not shared across the different tabulation tables at the audit, so reviewers could not cross-compare ballot samples.
Another concern of the auditors: The county elections office did not provide access to video footage it claimed to have recorded of vote-counting activities.
Contacted by RealClearInvestigations for comment on these issues, Seaman cited an agreement by the parties to the audit that no photographs of ballot signatures would be allowed. And he said the county's video of vote-counting "was past the retention schedule when requested” although Rhoades' Dec. 22 emailed request for it -- an email examined by RCI -- was within what Rhoades described as the 60-day window during which county records must be retained by law.
Finally, Seaman explained the 4,592 ballots without envelopes found in the audit as a discrepancy due to the lack of a “double-check process.” The auditors said that during the audit, the only concern raised by the election office staff was the opposite — that envelopes might be double-counted, not undercounted — and they claim that they followed all the procedures laid out by the county. Rhoades told RCI that when he asked Administrator Seaman after the audit about more ballots recorded than the envelope count, Seaman appeared extremely nervous and had no explanation.
The magnitude of defective — and potentially fraudulently cast — ballots identified during the Missoula County ballot audit is particularly troubling given the small margins by which local 2020 elections were decided, and previous statewide elections have been decided.
The 2020 local House District 94 race was determined by 435 votes; that of local House District 96, a mere 190.
In 2012, Bullock won his gubernatorial race by just 7,571 votes. Montana’s then-superintendent of public instruction, also a Democrat, won her race by an even smaller margin of 2,231 votes. If Missoula County generated problem ballots on the level of those cast during 2020, they may well have swung these statewide elections.
Concerns over mass mail-in balloting are essentially a Republican issue. The party-line vote in which the Democrat-controlled U.S. House passed HR 1, a bill that would result in universal mail-in voting across America, is a testament to this fact.
The Missoula audit appeared unprecedented in auditing all ballot envelopes. Other counties, including Cobb (Georgia) and Maricopa (Arizona), conducted 2020 audits drawing on relatively small ballot envelope samples.
What comes next for Missoula County, given the discrepancies identified? State authorities say they are concerned about the findings, and may well take them up in a joint hearing of the Montana Senate and House judiciary committees. State representatives are also seeking to reinstate laws that would restrict ballot harvesting, as well as other election reforms.
Lott is the president of the Crime Prevention Research Center. Until January, Lott was the senior adviser for research and statistics at the U.S. Department of Justice’s Office of Legal Policy, and he worked on vote fraud issues.
[Editor's note: This story originally was published by Real Clear Investigations.]
https://www.wnd.com/2021/03/unexplai...ntage-ballots/
'Unexplained irregularities' found in large percentage of ballots
River of doubt runs through mail voting in Big Sky country
WND News Services By WND News Services
Published March 24, 2021 at 2:20pm
[Editor's note: This story originally was published by Real Clear Investigations.]
By John R. Lott Jr.
Real Clear Investigations
MISSOULA COUNTY, Montana — A mountainous, 2,600-square-mile region with a population of approximately 119,600 does not seem like your prototypical setting for machine politics. Yet a recent audit of mail-in ballots cast there found irregularities characteristic of larger urban centers — on a level that could have easily swung local elections in 2020, and statewide elections in cycles past.
The Biden administration, the Democrat-controlled Congress, and the Democratic National Committee are collectively pressing to both nationalize, and make permanent, many of the extraordinary pandemic-driven voting measures implemented during the 2020 election —particularly mass mail-in voting.
Political leaders and prominent media outlets have dismissed concerns raised by critics that such measures invite voter fraud. But could the election in small-county Missoula call all that into question?
The story at hand begins during the pandemic summer of 2020, when the then-governor, Democrat Steve Bullock, issued a directive permitting counties to conduct the general election fully by mail. In the run-up to the election, a court also struck down Montana’s law aimed at preventing ballot harvesting.
Missoula, Montana’s second most populous county and one of its most heavily Democratic, opted in to the universal vote-by-mail regime.
In response, in October 2020, several county residents with experience targeting election integrity issues formed a group to ensure the legitimacy of the 2020 vote. The members contended that Missoula County had shown anomalies in elections past.
In November, the group approached state Rep. Brad Tschida, a Republican, to formally take up the issue. Tschida hired a lawyer involved in the group, Quentin Rhoades, to represent him in corresponding with Missoula County Elections Administrator Bradley Seaman, a Democratic appointee and a longtime supporter of progressive causes.
Seaman’s office complied with Tschida’s request for access to all of the county’s ballot envelopes, and on Jan. 4 a team of volunteers, overseen by Rhoades, conducted an audit with the assistance of the Missoula County Elections Office. The audit consisted of both a count and review of all ballot envelopes and comparing that to the number of officially recorded votes during the Nov. 3, 2020, general election.
Its conclusions were troubling: 4,592 out of the 72,491 mail-in ballots lacked envelopes— 6.33% of all votes. Without an officially printed envelope with registration information, a voter's signature, and a postmark indicating whether it was cast on time, election officials cannot verify that a ballot is legitimate. It is against the law to count such votes.
What’s more, according to auditors, county employees claimed that during the post-election audit, some of the envelopes may have been double-counted, possibly indicating an even higher number of missing envelopes.
Auditors also tested a smaller, random sub-sample of 15,455 mail-in envelopes for other defects. Of these, 55 lacked postmark dates, and 53 never had their signatures checked — for a total of 0.7% of all ballots in the sample. No envelope had more than one irregularity.
Extrapolating from the sub-sample, that would make more than 5,000 of Missoula County’s votes — roughly 7% — with unexplained irregularities.
Still another issue arose during the audit that aroused auditors’ suspicions: Dozens of ballot envelopes bore strikingly similar, distinctive handwriting styles in the signatures, suggesting that one or several persons may have filled out and submitted multiple ballots, an act of fraud.
One auditor asserted that of 28 envelopes reviewed from the same address, a nursing home, all 28 signatures looked “exactly the same” stylistically.
Another auditor reported that among the envelopes she reviewed, two very unique signatures appeared dozens of times, describing one such signature as starting out flat, moving to a peak, and tapering out, and another as consisting of numerous circles — a “bubble signature.”
Auditors were unable to conduct a more comprehensive count because, they say, Missoula County elections officials refused to permit them to take pictures of the signatures, and envelopes were not shared across the different tabulation tables at the audit, so reviewers could not cross-compare ballot samples.
Another concern of the auditors: The county elections office did not provide access to video footage it claimed to have recorded of vote-counting activities.
Contacted by RealClearInvestigations for comment on these issues, Seaman cited an agreement by the parties to the audit that no photographs of ballot signatures would be allowed. And he said the county's video of vote-counting "was past the retention schedule when requested” although Rhoades' Dec. 22 emailed request for it -- an email examined by RCI -- was within what Rhoades described as the 60-day window during which county records must be retained by law.
Finally, Seaman explained the 4,592 ballots without envelopes found in the audit as a discrepancy due to the lack of a “double-check process.” The auditors said that during the audit, the only concern raised by the election office staff was the opposite — that envelopes might be double-counted, not undercounted — and they claim that they followed all the procedures laid out by the county. Rhoades told RCI that when he asked Administrator Seaman after the audit about more ballots recorded than the envelope count, Seaman appeared extremely nervous and had no explanation.
The magnitude of defective — and potentially fraudulently cast — ballots identified during the Missoula County ballot audit is particularly troubling given the small margins by which local 2020 elections were decided, and previous statewide elections have been decided.
The 2020 local House District 94 race was determined by 435 votes; that of local House District 96, a mere 190.
In 2012, Bullock won his gubernatorial race by just 7,571 votes. Montana’s then-superintendent of public instruction, also a Democrat, won her race by an even smaller margin of 2,231 votes. If Missoula County generated problem ballots on the level of those cast during 2020, they may well have swung these statewide elections.
Concerns over mass mail-in balloting are essentially a Republican issue. The party-line vote in which the Democrat-controlled U.S. House passed HR 1, a bill that would result in universal mail-in voting across America, is a testament to this fact.
The Missoula audit appeared unprecedented in auditing all ballot envelopes. Other counties, including Cobb (Georgia) and Maricopa (Arizona), conducted 2020 audits drawing on relatively small ballot envelope samples.
What comes next for Missoula County, given the discrepancies identified? State authorities say they are concerned about the findings, and may well take them up in a joint hearing of the Montana Senate and House judiciary committees. State representatives are also seeking to reinstate laws that would restrict ballot harvesting, as well as other election reforms.
Lott is the president of the Crime Prevention Research Center. Until January, Lott was the senior adviser for research and statistics at the U.S. Department of Justice’s Office of Legal Policy, and he worked on vote fraud issues.
[Editor's note: This story originally was published by Real Clear Investigations.]
- Levianon17
- 04-25-2021, 01:33 PM
I think Biden will remain in the white house after the audits.That's why it's a big waste of time. Anyone with an ounce of sense knows Biden is a absolute dope and he's always been carried, this election was no different.
there isn't a law that deals with this type of fraud.
its a done deal.. what the audit will do is just deligatamize biden's win.
now, it is very possible that the audits will flip the house and senate races, that means those races that were affected prolly will have to be re-run. that will be up to the judge or the state election apparatus. Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm
- dilbert firestorm
- 04-25-2021, 01:42 PM
Really Dilbert? They’ll overturn the down ballot races and not the Presidential race? What if foreign interference aided by domestic actors comes out? Will the military recognize Biden as POTUS? Do they recognize him now? Originally Posted by bambinoyes. I know this sucks. as I've said before, there is no law on what to do if there is discovered fraud in tainted elections past January 6 & 26 for presidential elections. this is essentially uncharted territory.
as for the military. that I don't know. I suspect that they will follow him considering he was sworn in on 1/26.
people in congress didn't want to go there on Jan. 6. they turned the election validation process into a toothless ceremony. it is obvious that they wanted to avoid an 1876 situation. another move they made to enhance that avoidance is to move the president inauguration from March to January 26 in 1930's. now why would they do that.
- dilbert firestorm
- 04-25-2021, 01:48 PM
That's why it's a big waste of time. Anyone with an ounce of sense knows Biden is a absolute dope and he's always been carried this election was no different. Originally Posted by Levianon17I wouldn't say its a complete waste of time. this audit affects down vote races.
the thing about this Jovan audit is that they are looking for a bunch of things that constitute a fraudulent ballot.
-the microcode of a printer
-watermarks
-fold crease
there are few more items, but these three are apparently the most important tell tale signs of fake ballot.
- bambino
- 04-25-2021, 02:05 PM
yes. I know this sucks. as I've said before, there is no law on what to do if there is discovered fraud in tainted elections past January 6 & 26 for presidential elections. this is essentially uncharted territory.It’s the Military’s function to protect the US from threats, both foreign and domestic. It’s their duty to protect the Constitution. If it’s proven that foreign enemies collaborated with domestic actors, to rig the election, they would have no choice but to install the rightful winner. Or hold another election.
as for the military. that I don't know. I suspect that they will follow him considering he was sworn in on 1/26.
people in congress didn't want to go there on Jan. 6. they turned the election validation process into a toothless ceremony. it is obvious that they wanted to avoid an 1876 situation. another move they made to enhance that avoidance is to move the president inauguration from March to January 26 in 1930's. now why would they do that. Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm
- dilbert firestorm
- 04-25-2021, 02:06 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...announcements/
Georgia’s Raffensperger Did It Too – Accepted $5 Million of ‘Zuckerbucks’ Says It Was Used for “Issuing Public Service Announcements”
By Joe Hoft
Published April 19, 2021 at 5:35pm
We just reported that millions was given to Maricopa County in Arizona from a ‘non-profit’ related to Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg:
In February Breitbart reported on this subject:
According to the Georgia Star, Raffensperger issued a press release on this but we don’t know when because it wasn’t dated:
Now we know Raffensperger received $5 million before the election and he won’t provide detailed information on how it was spent. This doesn’t look good. This doesn’t look good at all.
Joe Hoft is the twin brother of TGP's founder, Jim Hoft. His posts have been retweeted by President Trump and have made the headlines at the Drudge Report. Joe worked as a corporate executive in Hong Kong and traveled the world for his work, which gives him a unique perspective of US and global current events. He has ten degrees or designations and is the author of three books. His new book: 'In God We Trust: Not in Lying Liberal Lunatics' is out now - please take a look and buy a copy.
@joehoft
Georgia’s Raffensperger Did It Too – Accepted $5 Million of ‘Zuckerbucks’ Says It Was Used for “Issuing Public Service Announcements”
By Joe Hoft
Published April 19, 2021 at 5:35pm
We just reported that millions was given to Maricopa County in Arizona from a ‘non-profit’ related to Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg:
In February Breitbart reported on this subject:
A report released by the Amistad Project of the Thomas More Society at a press conference on Wednesday alleged Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg and his wife made $419.5 million in contributions to non-profit organizations during the 2020 election cycle–$350 million to the “Safe Elections” Project of the Center for Technology and Civic Life (CTCL) and another $69.5 million to the Center for Election Innovation and Research–that, “improperly influence[d] the 2020 presidential election on behalf of one particular candidate and party.”Now the Georgia Star reports that millions went to Georgia’s Secretary of State’s office as well:
A group directly linked to Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg donated nearly $5.6 million to the Georgia Secretary of State’s Office last year…Apparently, CEIR’s website shared how Secretary of State Raffensperger’s office spent the money:
…The Georgia Star News contacted Raffensperger’s communications staff Monday for comment. Raffensperger Spokesman Walter Jones, in his emailed response, took a dig at this publication.
“Any grant or funding source, as allowed by Georgia law, has enabled this and local elections offices to combat disinformation similar to recent articles published by this outlet that undermine the confidence of Georgia voters,” Jones said referring to the events of last year.
The Georgia Star News did not debut until November 2020, and only after Election Day.
Jones did not specifically describe how Raffensperger spent the money — but the CEIR website did.So the only information we have on $5 million given to Raffensperger is that he spent it on propaganda. So $5 million was spent on election propaganda – $5 million.
“Georgia used CEIR grant funds in both the November general election and January runoff election to encourage voters to apply for a ballot online,” the CEIR website said.
“This approach sped up the process for both voters and election officials while also making it easier to track application status. Georgia also used the funds to counteract disinformation, issuing public service announcements warning voters of disinformation and encouraging them to report fraud to the Secretary of State hotline.”
According to the Georgia Star, Raffensperger issued a press release on this but we don’t know when because it wasn’t dated:
Raffensperger announced the partnership with CEIR in a press release. The press release is undated. Members of Raffensperger’s staff presumably published it last year. In that press release, Raffensperger praised the CEIR staff as “the greatest minds that the country has to offer” and, because of that, he said Georgia could have a secure and reliable paper-ballot system.We know Raffensperger certified the election and to this day there are over 350,000 ballots that are illegitimate.
Now we know Raffensperger received $5 million before the election and he won’t provide detailed information on how it was spent. This doesn’t look good. This doesn’t look good at all.
Joe Hoft is the twin brother of TGP's founder, Jim Hoft. His posts have been retweeted by President Trump and have made the headlines at the Drudge Report. Joe worked as a corporate executive in Hong Kong and traveled the world for his work, which gives him a unique perspective of US and global current events. He has ten degrees or designations and is the author of three books. His new book: 'In God We Trust: Not in Lying Liberal Lunatics' is out now - please take a look and buy a copy.
@joehoft
- Levianon17
- 04-25-2021, 02:06 PM
I wouldn't say its a complete waste of time. this audit affects down vote races.They should just impeach the idiot.
the thing about this Jovan audit is that they are looking for a bunch of things that constitute a fraudulent ballot.
-the microcode of a printer
-watermarks
-fold crease
there are few more items, but these three are apparently the most important tell tale signs of fake ballot. Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm
- dilbert firestorm
- 04-25-2021, 02:09 PM
It’s the Military’s function to protect the US from threats, both foreign and domestic. It’s their duty to protect the Constitution. If it’s proven that foreign enemies collaborated with domestic actors, to rig the election, they would have no choice but to install the rightful winner. Or hold another election. Originally Posted by bambinoor they could refuse to follow his orders.
they can't remove him tho, but they can refuse to follow orders.
this maybe up to the rank and file.
I think most officers will follow orders of the president.
- dilbert firestorm
- 04-25-2021, 02:12 PM
- GastonGlock
- 04-25-2021, 02:19 PM
I don't expect anything to change. I just think the establishment overplayed its hand this time, being too obvious about how rigged the elections really are in order to re-establish control.
Which begs the question why they didn't care to hide it.
Naturally I expect the fans of either side to handwave any visible corruption because they think their cause is just and right, and any challenges of legitimacy will be met with "you're crazy" or "you're a traitor" because every human is a dictator looking for their opportunity. If the GOP had won all 3 I'd expect just a different flavor of the same behavior.
Which begs the question why they didn't care to hide it.
Naturally I expect the fans of either side to handwave any visible corruption because they think their cause is just and right, and any challenges of legitimacy will be met with "you're crazy" or "you're a traitor" because every human is a dictator looking for their opportunity. If the GOP had won all 3 I'd expect just a different flavor of the same behavior.
- bambino
- 04-25-2021, 02:25 PM
or they could refuse to follow his orders.All the Joints Chiefs are Trump appointees. Biden hasnt changed any of them.
they can't remove him tho, but they can refuse to follow orders.
this maybe up to the rank and file.
I think most officers will follow orders of the president. Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm
- Levianon17
- 04-25-2021, 02:34 PM
this is going get messy. lol.That's what they should do. Neither one of them is competent enough to run the country. In fact there isn't a Democrat in all of Congress that I would trust as far as I can spit. Getting rid of those two clowns probably won't improve anything though. Two new dummies will take their place. Government has become a three ringed circus.
they could do that if the house/senate flips a result of the audit. they'd have to remove both Biden and Kamala tho. Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm
- eccieuser9500
- 04-25-2021, 03:01 PM
- pfunkdenver
- 04-25-2021, 03:19 PM
That's what they should do. Neither one of them is competent enough to run the country. In fact there isn't a Democrat in all of Congress that I would trust as far as I can spit. Originally Posted by Levianon17But, apparently, you thought trump was competent. The guy who filed business bankruptcy six times. Yeah, he's a great leader...
