In the hands of the jury

We do know that Zimmerman started the fight, he started it the second he got out of his vehicle especially when he was told not to by the 911 operator. Originally Posted by malonely

If Zimmerman had taken the advice of the 911 operator Trayvon would still be alive. Zimmerman's poor judgement lead to the death of a young man. There's no getting around that.

If Zimmerman were black, this wouldn't have happened. Originally Posted by Doove

You're probably right. But my point was if Trayvon was shot by another black this wouldn't have been a media frenzy. Blacks are shot dead by other blacks everyday but it rarely gets headlines. This case got exploited plain and simple.

It was a forgone conclusion, George Zimmerman was never going to be convicted. Sanford Florida is a bastion of the KKK and the site of numerous lynchings.

http://www.theprogressiveprofessor.c...anford-florida

Florida is in the center of controversy again, due to the murder of Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman a month ago.

This is another example of African Americans being killed without a sense of justice in a state with a horrific record historically on the issue of race.

We like to think, particularly those of us who live in the Sunshine State, that Florida has come a long way from the “Old South” mentality of the past.

But in actual fact, much of the state, north of Palm Beach County, is still perceived as different from South Florida, with an attitude and mentality more like Alabama or Georgia, if not Mississippi! And even South Florida has its ghosts of prejudice and racism!

This is the state that has tried to hide its racial past, both then and even now!

This is the state of Rosewood, a black settlement on the Gulf of Mexico, 140 miles west of Sanford, where the town was destroyed and multiple numbers of blacks were killed by a white mob in 1923, simply on the suspicion that a black man had assaulted a white woman. This was a well hidden story until recent years, when the few survivors were paid compensation for what they went through.

This is the state that in 1934 saw one of the most heinous lynchings of a black man, Claude Neal, in this case in the Florida Panhandle, who was castrated, tortured for hours with tremendous cruelty, and his fingers displayed as souvenirs.

This is the state where a spokesman for the NAACP was killed, along with his wife in 1951, by a bomb exploding under their bed, because they were trying to register voters and get equal wages for black teachers.

This is the state of a lynching by Fort Lauderdale police officers in 1960, and of Miami police killing a motorcyclist in 1979, arrested for speeding, but being handcuffed and beaten with nightsticks until he expired.

In all of the above cases and more, juries found the perpetrators not guilty, or there was no trial at all.

Florida has a lot to answer for, and this Trayvon Martin case may be going down the same path, as George Zimmerman was not questioned by the police at the time; he was not tested for drug use; he was not given medical care for his wounds, which might have explained what really happened a month ago; Treyvon Martin’s body was not identified as more than John Doe for a few days, as the police failed to call the last callers on his cell phone; and the police department now seems to be out to trash Trayvon Martin for his youthful shortcomings, rather than look at what George Zimmerman did against the statements of the 911 contact who told him to stop interfering and leave it to the police to investigate the purpose of Trayvon Martin being in the gated community in Sanford.

Florida will take a long time, if ever, to recover from the damage done to its reputation by yet another racial bias case, nearly as heinous as its long disgraceful racial history, as outlined above!

Zimmerman was indicating he would like to meet at the truck, the 911 dispatcher even asked him what address he was parked in front of, he fucking understood. Originally Posted by roscoe14850

Ok, now you're nit-picking between whether or not "go past the mailboxes, you'll see my truck" can be interpreted later as "we'll meet at the mailboxes" in the midst of an emergency 911 call. I'm not going to argue with the stupidity in that. You're on your own.

I NEVER SAID the dispatcher told him where to meet, if you could READ you would have seen I said SUGGESTED and Zimmerman agreed, as the transcript clearly shows below.

And here you're falling back on the semantics of the term you actually used. So let's make this simple.

The larger point was that Zimmerman told the dispatcher specifically where he'd meet the police, (as the transcript shows, no?) then later, after losing track of Martin, told the dispatcher to have the police call when they got there so he could then tell him where he was (as the transcript shows, no?) My contention was that this meant Zimmerman planned on looking for Martin. And your rebuttal was that it was the dispatcher who SUGGESTED they meet by the mailboxes.

So instead of arguing the stupidity of what "have them go past the mailboxes, they'll see my truck" means, perhaps you can explain how what you said disputes my point.

Ok, now you're nit-picking between whether or not "go past the mailboxes, you'll see my truck" can be interpreted later as "we'll meet at the mailboxes" in the midst of an emergency 911 call. I'm not going to argue with the stupidity in that. You're on your own.

And here you're falling back on the semantics of the term you actually used. So let's make this simple.

The larger point was that Zimmerman told the dispatcher specifically where he'd meet the police, (as the transcript shows, no?) then later, after losing track of Martin, told the dispatcher to have the police call when they got there so he could then tell him where he was (as the transcript shows, no?) My contention was that this meant Zimmerman planned on looking for Martin. And your rebuttal was that it was the dispatcher who SUGGESTED they meet by the mailboxes.

So instead of arguing the stupidity of what "have them go past the mailboxes, they'll see my truck" means, perhaps you can explain how what you said disputes my point. Originally Posted by Doove

Last thing I'm going to say because it's obvious you lack basic reading skills. "Go past the mailboxes" does not mean we'll meet at the mailboxes, not even close. My adolescent niece & nephew would understand that but obviously you missed that class. The 911 dispatcher suggested meeting at the mailboxes and Zimmerman agreed. And once again there is not one iota of proof that Zimmerman went back to look for Martin, nothing.

jokazc, agree with the pic. he needs to shut up

Last thing I'm going to say because it's obvious you lack basic reading skills. "Go past the mailboxes" does not mean we'll meet at the mailboxes, not even close. Originally Posted by roscoe14850

Interesting that differentiating between "truck by the mailboxes" and "mailboxes" only became an issue about 1 or 2 posts ago when you realized your main point was ridiculous.

My adolescent niece & nephew would understand that but obviously you missed that class. The 911 dispatcher suggested meeting at the mailboxes and Zimmerman agreed.

And frankly, i don't think even you know what the hell your point is anymore in making this argument, so i won't even bother trying to address it...which would be my third time in doing so, by the way.

Obviously, one of us is a total moron. Since you've spent the last 4 or 5 posts doing nothing but trying to muddy the waters about what you said, and about what was said on the night in question, and what you said about what was said on the night in question, i'm pretty comfortable in who i think that is.

I'm sure you'll have a different opinion. By all means, knock yourself out with it.

Obviously, one of us is a total moron. Originally Posted by Doove

that would make a great title for a poll