Guns don’t kill people. White supremacists with guns do.

You’re missing the point entirely. Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

is this another deflect and deny post?

you'll hit 46,000 useless posts by next Friday.

besides .. i wasn't replying to your post ..

keep your place .. bub.

it is odd, considering the 2 mass white-supremacist-based shootings the past week. but some black thugs do kill with guns.

what would you gun guys do if Trump came out tomorrow, and said "I have been part of the mass shooting problem, with my rhetoric.. I am sorry, I will tone it down from now on".. just a "what-if", it won't happen.. but let's dream for a moment.

would you guys keep defending him, and insist Trump has never inspired a Mass shooter? Originally Posted by Chung Tran

If Trump said that, I would consider the perpetrators of any violence because of it the dumbest fucks on the planet, and I would oust Trump as a responsible candidate. I voted for Trump but he doesn't control my mind. I am not shooting anyone unless I am confronted with danger and my life is in obvious peril. Always remember America is not a pure country, with a pure culture. That's why this country has a high crime rate. Every time there is a shooting the topic of Gun Control emerges. This country has quite a few Gun Laws in place. We also have a corrupt Government as long as we have that don't give up your 2nd Amendment Right. You will be sorry.

You’re missing the point entirely. Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

what he's missing is any sense of credulity. that chart ends in 2017, for God's sake.. according to news reports tonight, El Paso is the 249th mass shooting in the US, in 2019.

I voted for Trump but he doesn't control my mind. I am not shooting anyone unless I am confronted with danger and my life is in obvious peril. Originally Posted by Levianon17

ditto.

but you and I don't represent many young guys who will, and have shot many people since Trump took Office. if you disagree that Trump has influenced the recent high-level of mass shootings (that are mostly race-based), we can't even begin a discussion.

what he's missing is any sense of credulity. that chart ends in 2017, for God's sake.. according to news reports tonight, El Paso is the 249th mass shooting in the US, in 2019. Originally Posted by Chung Tran

so ya want to wait for 20 more mass shootings to blame Trump?


because that's what you are trying to do.

so ya want to wait for 20 more mass shootings to blame Trump?


because that's what you are trying to do. Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

huh? why would I wait for 20 more? I'm blaming him right now. not for every single mass murderer, but for a culture he has fostered, which dignifies crazy young guys to act out nefariously. same to you, if you can't acknowledge a Trumpian "role", we have nothing to continue a discussion. you and others here will double, triple down until you turn blue.

and by the way, y'alls idea that the left-wing nuts want control of your guns is right-wing nutty. you think "the left" wants your guns to keep you under complete control. like you think the alt-State is trying to overturn Trump's election, and control us. that is nut-case crazy to me. some of us just want shootings curbed.

huh? why would I wait for 20 more? I'm blaming him right now. not for every single mass murderer, but for a culture he has fostered, which dignifies crazy young guys to act out nefariously. same to you, if you can't acknowledge a Trumpian "role", we have nothing to continue a discussion. you and others here will double, triple down until you turn blue.

and by the way, y'alls idea that the left-wing nuts want control of your guns is right-wing nutty. you think "the left" wants your guns to keep you under complete control. like you think the alt-State is trying to overturn Trump's election, and control us. that is nut-case crazy to me. some of us just want shootings curbed. Originally Posted by Chung Tran

then stop blaming him falsely.

you claim Trump is responsible for a huge surge in mass murders. the stats don't bear that out.

it is odd, considering the 2 mass white-supremacist-based shootings the past week. but some black thugs do kill with guns.

what would you gun guys do if Trump came out tomorrow, and said "I have been part of the mass shooting problem, with my rhetoric.. I am sorry, I will tone it down from now on".. just a "what-if", it won't happen.. but let's dream for a moment.

would you guys keep defending him, and insist Trump has never inspired a Mass shooter? Originally Posted by Chung Tran

"What if liberalism" never existed...it's only a dream mind you!!
What is in the water you liberals drink??
I thought I did some crazy stuff in my younger days...
P.S. What the fuck are gun guys??
What if you defended the four horse women of the Apocalypse against their racist hate??
Since we're doing what if...

huh? why would I wait for 20 more? I'm blaming him right now. not for every single mass murderer, but for a culture he has fostered, which dignifies crazy young guys to act out nefariously. same to you, if you can't acknowledge a Trumpian "role", we have nothing to continue a discussion. you and others here will double, triple down until you turn blue.

and by the way, y'alls idea that the left-wing nuts want control of your guns is right-wing nutty. you think "the left" wants your guns to keep you under complete control. like you think the alt-State is trying to overturn Trump's election, and control us. that is nut-case crazy to me. some of us just want shootings curbed. Originally Posted by Chung Tran

Your narrative is so twisted it's sad.
The media has no culpability in this...yeah right chung.
Who the fuck want's more shooting...that statement is completely absurd.
What is your solution to these crazy nuts...your don't have one, but you like to make baseless accusations.
Thank you chung...for nothing!!

ditto.

but you and I don't represent many young guys who will, and have shot many people since Trump took Office. if you disagree that Trump has influenced the recent high-level of mass shootings (that are mostly race-based), we can't even begin a discussion. Originally Posted by Chung Tran

Your memory is incredibly short:



... perhaps not you, but one could just as easily blame events like El Paso on those in our society who advocate no borders and citizenship for all illegal aliens who touch U.S. soil, along with those who advocate sanctuary geographical locations and protect criminals from being deported.

Trump has been doing nothing more than Clinton & Obaminable...in fact the FACTS reveal that he's done less than they did to thwart ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION into this country .... remember 911.

what he's missing is any sense of credulity. that chart ends in 2017, for God's sake.. according to news reports tonight, El Paso is the 249th mass shooting in the US, in 2019. Originally Posted by Chung Tran

And the general source for this 249 is I'm guessing

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org

They classify mass shooting as

Why are GVA Mass Shooting numbers higher than some other sources?

GVA uses a purely statistical threshold to define mass shooting based ONLY on the numeric value of 4 or more shot or killed, not including the shooter. GVA does not parse the definition to remove any subcategory of shooting. To that end we don’t exclude, set apart, caveat, or differentiate victims based upon the circumstances in which they were shot.
GVA believes that equal importance is given to the counting of those injured as well as killed in a mass shooting incident.

The FBI does not define Mass Shooting in any form. They do define Mass Killing but that includes all forms of weapon, not just guns.

In that, the criteria are simple…if four or more people are shot or killed in a single incident, not involving the shooter, that incident is categorized as a mass shooting based purely on that numerical threshold.

So that puts a particular subset on the numbers. Mass shootings are indeed still a small percentage of overall gun violence.

But they are the ones to sadly be sensationalized by the media and the left.

However, go ahead and peruse through their numbers. There are some very interesting numbers in there. It shows a steady increase in total gun violence incidents through 2017 and a decline in 2018. How can that be with all the "white" anger out there.

Another interesting statistic on their site is that they's gone from 2500 or so sources for their capturing of their statistics to upwards of 6500. Anyone think that alone could effect their year over year comparisons?

In the end, it's all about statistics and the misuse of them to try and make a political point. I've said the same regarding the OP and the misuse of Wray's numbers since the beginning of this post.

I'll wait for Obama to say that.



https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publ...mass-shootings





Oh? you didn't know who the "mass murder president" really was? well .. now you do. Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

What a fucking lie!

Here is a list of the U.S. mass shooters and the number of people they killed in cold blood under the Trump administration. Only those who gunned down four or more people are to be listed for brevity purpose.

Stephen Paddock: 58
Devin Patrick Kelley: 26
Patrick Crusius: 20
Nikolas Cruz: 17
Dewayne Craddock: 12
Ian David Long: 12
Robert Bowers: 11
Dimitros Pagourtzis: 10
Gary Martin: 5
Kevin Janson Neal: 5
John Robert Neumann Jr.: 5
Jarrod Ramos: 5
Zephen A. Xaver: 5
Travis Reinking: 4
Timothy O'Brien Smith: 4

That's 199 from the list alone. Another 9 have to be added so the death toll here is at least 208, not 83 as your lying ass has cited. Craddock and Martin were the only nonwhites from that list.

And that's just two and half years since Trump took office.

Your memory is incredibly short:



... perhaps not you, but one could just as easily blame events like El Paso on those in our society who advocate no borders and citizenship for all illegal aliens who touch U.S. soil, along with those who advocate sanctuary geographical locations and protect criminals from being deported.

Trump has been doing nothing more than Clinton & Obaminable...in fact the FACTS reveal that he's done less than they did to thwart ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION into this country .... remember 911. Originally Posted by LexusLover

Threatening to close the borders caused a rush of MORE immigration. Get your head out of your ass.

What a fucking lie!

Here is a list of the U.S. mass shooters and the number of people they killed in cold blood under the Trump administration. Only those who gunned down four or more people are to be listed for brevity purpose.

Stephen Paddock: 58
Devin Patrick Kelley: 26
Patrick Crusius: 20
Nikolas Cruz: 17
Dewayne Craddock: 12
Ian David Long: 12
Robert Bowers: 11
Dimitros Pagourtzis: 10
Gary Martin: 5
Kevin Janson Neal: 5
John Robert Neumann Jr.: 5
Jarrod Ramos: 5
Zephen A. Xaver: 5
Travis Reinking: 4
Timothy O'Brien Smith: 4

That's 199 from the list alone. Another 9 have to be added so the death toll here is at least 208, not 83 as your lying ass has cited. Craddock and Martin were the only nonwhites from that list.

And that's just two and half years since Trump took office. Originally Posted by andymarksman

AGREED.

I am amazed that our respected colleagues continue to play this stupid fucking game.

Gotta think at least one of them has a clue.

SMFH

still waiting for you to declare ANITFA a domestic terrorist organization. Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

Why don't you spineless gutless cowards ask Trump to order his DOJ doing so? Problem solved.