I said "may not have been". For him to be DQ'd before ever going to MEPS means it was likely either an academic issue (some report he was a drop out-- he may have not been able to get a qualifying score on the ASVAB-- which is concerning since the bar isn't high) Or it was concerns with some of his answers to the recruiters intake questions (which is often a concern over stability to handle the life of a Marine and to get through boot camp--a lot of "gung ho" kids can't make it). "Most stable" isn't to imply that he is mentally unstable.. just that it takes a certain level of stability and maturity to make it as a Marine.
Originally Posted by Grace Preston
All you are doing is guessing. You can list as many possibilities as you want. You don't know so let it go.
speaking of the ASVAB .. since i have taken it .. the bar is actually quite high. that is if you want to be something other than a Boatswain's mate in Navy terms. what that equates to in the Army or Marines i wouldn't know. probably infantry. but to be in a skilled specialty rating in any of the services you do need to do quite well on the ASVAB, which is as hard if not harder than the SAT. the ASVAB has sections for math, verbal, written composition and my favorite, Spatial perception. . that's where they show you a shape and you have to pick the unfolded image that is correct for that shape. i needed a score of 115 to qualify for Data Processing .. i scored a 127. that score qualified me for any rate i wanted. i recall 120 was for a nuclear power plant tech on subs or nuclear aircraft carriers. that at the time was the highest requirement of all.
i think it took me a month to get that recruiter to stop trying to get me into that rate. not that i was afraid of glowing in the dark like old Soviet nuke sailors did i just didn't want to be that rate, i wanted Data Processing.
the ASVAB is no easy test.
Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid
i won't bore the posters here about the shocking facts that Taylor was apparently stashing illicit profits for a certain suspect .. or that her car was caught on camera at a "stash house" or that several packages were delivered to Taylor's address and captured on camera being being picked up by said suspect before this incident ..
Report details why Louisville police decided to forcibly search Breonna Taylor's home
Editor’s note: The Courier Journal has exhaustively covered all aspects of the fatal March 13 shooting of Breonna Taylor at the hands of Louisville Metro Police Department officers. As the investigation of their conduct continues, this story examines documents and other evidence we obtained that helps explain why LMPD pursued the no-knock search warrant and why they were there that night. It does not justify the shooting but provides more insight into this highly controversial case that has captured the nation’s interest. An earlier version of this story published prematurely Tuesday morning before final edits were made. We apologize for that misstep.
An internal report written by Louisville Metro Police after officers fatally shot Breonna Taylor on March 13 sheds more light on the reasons why they chose to forcibly enter her South End apartment the night she was killed.
It provides no explanations or evidence aimed at justifying the shooting that has sparked three months of protests in Louisville and national outrage, with critics accusing police of breaking into the home of an unarmed Black woman for no legitimate reason and killing her.
But the 39-page report and corroborating evidence do show that Taylor had more extensive ties than previously made public with an accused drug trafficker who was at the center of a larger narcotics investigation in Louisville. It is not known if details included in the report were presented to the judge who signed the controversial "no-knock" warrant for Taylor's apartment.
The findings of the report, corroborated by jail phone recordings and other documents obtained by The Courier Journal, detail multiple links between Taylor and Jamarcus Glover of Louisville, a main target in a drug probe that prompted police to request the search warrant for Taylor’s apartment.
Plainclothes officers that night battered in her door, searching for drugs and illicit cash. None were found.
Glover was arrested the same night as Taylor’s shooting. He was picked up at an alleged drug house 10 miles to the north in Louisville’s West End. He was released on bail but is now a fugitive after failing to post a new bail set at $50,000 when he was charged again last month.
"Breonna Taylor did not deserve to die no matter what her role in all this,” said a Jefferson County law enforcement official who asked not to be identified because Kentucky's attorney general is still deciding whether the officers who shot Taylor should be prosecuted.
In an email to The Courier Journal, Sam Aguiar, an attorney for Taylor’s estate, which filed a wrongful death suit April 27 against the city, said that “while this looks like a smear campaign, I also appreciate the need for everything to get out to the public about this case. Good and bad.”
He said the police department went to "great lengths AFTER Breonna died and this case received national scrutiny to dig up all of her past."
In a statement issued early Tuesday morning, Mayor Greg Fischer condemned the release of the report.
"Breonna Taylor's death was a tragedy. Period. Justice, peace and healing are what is needed for her, for her family and for our community," Fischer said.
"It is deeply reckless for this information, which presents only a small fraction of the entire investigation, to be shared with the media while the criminal process remains ongoing. It would be unjust to draw conclusions about this case before the investigation is complete and the full truth comes out. And, efforts to sway opinion and impact the investigation by releasing select information are wrong and divisive, at a time when our city needs unity more than ever before."
Recorded jail calls mention Breonna Taylor
The Courier Journal reported May 12 that a sworn affidavit from LMPD Detective Joshua Jaynes said Glover was seen walking into Taylor's apartment one January afternoon and left with a "suspected USPS package in his right hand" then drove to a "known drug house" on Muhammad Ali Boulevard.
Jaynes also said he verified through a U.S. postal inspector that Glover had been receiving packages at Taylor's address, though that was later contradicted by Postal Inspector Tony Gooden.
However, the police report reviewed by The Courier Journal goes beyond the information in the affidavit, detailing evidence into police surveillance of Taylor and Glover, as well as the recorded phone conversations from the jail involving Glover and Taylor.
The Courier Journal reviewed the report on Taylor compiled by the LMPD's new Place-Based Investigations unit, which targets violent crime at specific locations, as part of its investigation of Glover. The Courier Journal also reviewed transcripts of jailhouse calls Glover and other defendants made from Metro Corrections.
The report is undated, and an LMPD spokesperson did not respond to requests for information about it, including whether it has been provided to the mayor, police chief or other city or commonwealth officials.
It was written by an LMPD detective whose name was redacted from a copy of the report The Courier Journal reviewed.
The evidence it details includes the results of a tracking device placed on Glover’s Dodge Charger that shows it was driven to Taylor’s apartment six times in January.
The report includes photographs of Glover entering and exiting Taylor’s building. In the application for the search warrant of Taylor's apartment, police said they suspected drugs and money were being held at the residence.
Glover made a call from jail about 12 hours after he was arrested March 13 at 2424 Elliott Ave. — the same day Taylor was shot and killed by police executing a search warrant at her apartment signed by Jefferson Circuit Judge Mary Shaw.
In that recorded March 13 call, Glover, 30, told a girlfriend that Taylor was holding $8,000 for him and that she had been “handling all my money.” No money was found at her residence during the police search.
But the recordings and other evidence reviewed by The Courier Journal show Taylor and Glover maintained closer ties.
On Jan. 3, for example, following Glover’s arrest on trafficking and weapons charges, he called Taylor from the jail and asked her to contact one of his co-defendants to get bail money.
Taylor responded that the associate was “already at the trap” — slang for a house used for drug trafficking.
Glover told her to be on standby to pick him up if he made bail. “I'm going to get me some rest in your bed,” he said, according to the recording.
“Love you,” he said, at the end of the call.
“Love you, too,” she replied.
In his email to The Courier Journal, Aguiar apologized to “the public and to Breonna’s family” for mischaracterizing the relationship, saying it was based on an erroneous conclusion he drew without the benefit of the jail recording.
Ryan Nichols, president of River City FOP Lodge 614, told The Courier Journal that he wishes more information about Taylor’s connection with Glover had been released earlier because it would have countered erroneous rumors that police went to the wrong address and had no reason to search Taylor’s home.
Keturah Herron, policy strategist with the American Civil Liberties Union of Kentucky, blasted LMPD for creating the report, calling it a case of victim-blaming.
"We have seen this, historically, not just in Breonna's case, but in cases across the nation," Herron told The Courier Journal. "They did it with Freddie Gray. They did it with Trayvon Martin. And then just recently, they did it with Jacob Blake (the victim of a police shooting this week in Kenosha, Wisconsin).
"What's important here is that regardless of what Breonna was involved in from the day that she was born until March 13, it does not give reason for her to be murdered the way she was murdered," she said.
"For LMPD now, or even sometimes the media … to basically try to paint the picture that it's OK for police to use those tactics, it's absurd. It's disrespectful. It's distasteful."
At a Tuesday afternoon press conference, interim LMPD Chief Robert Schroeder chastised the release of the internal report.
"We want to protect the integrity of all of our investigations," Schroeder said. "This kind of leak and this kind of reporting is simply not helpful to the process. It seems irrelevant to the goal of getting justice, peace and healing for our community." Must read:Debunking 8 widely shared rumors in the Breonna Taylor police shooting
Jamarcus Glover claims Breonna Taylor held his money
The Courier Journal has corroborated that on Dec. 30, 2019, five days before her recorded jail conversation with Glover, Taylor posted a $2,500 bond for another man charged in the same case, 34-year-old Darreal Forest.
His attorney, Casey McCall, did not immediately respond to a question about how his client knew Taylor.
Glover, Forest and three other men were charged with trafficking and weapons offenses after police received a tip from a confidential informant that they were hiding drugs and firearms in abandoned homes adjacent to the "trap house" they allegedly operated at the Elliott Avenue address.
Police seized five handguns and three rifles, according to evidence filed in the case.
The jail recordings The Courier Journal reviewed show that on March 13, Glover, while trying to round up cash to make bail on a new set of trafficking charges, called a girlfriend and told her Taylor had his money.
"She had the eight grand I gave her the other day, and she picked up another six," Glover said.
“Did she tell you where it was?” the caller asked him.
“She didn't have the chance to tell me nothing,” he replied. “She dead.”
When the caller asked Glover why he had left the money with Taylor, he said: “Don’t take it wrong but Bre been handling all my money. She has been handling (expletive) for me and … it ain’t just me."
Records previously examined by The Courier Journal show no money or drugs were found in the search of Taylor’s apartment after her death.
And nothing in the recordings or other evidence recently obtained by The Courier Journal substantiates Glover’s claim that Taylor was handling money for him.
Sgt. Jonathan Mattingly, one of the three officers who fired shots into Taylor’s apartment, later told investigators from the Public Integrity Unit, which investigates potential crimes by government employees, that police believed Taylor may have held drugs and money for Glover.
But in a different recorded phone call from the jail on March 13, Demarius Bowman, who was arrested with Glover, told his sister that another woman, Alicia “Kesha” Jones, 24, had been given the group’s money.
Sgt. Jonathan Mattingly, one of the three officers who fired shots into Taylor’s apartment, later told investigators from the Public Integrity Unit, which investigates potential crimes by government employees, that police believed Taylor may have held drugs and money for Glover.
But in a different recorded phone call from the jail on March 13, Demarius Bowman, who was arrested with Glover, told his sister that another woman, Alicia “Kesha” Jones, 24, had been given the group’s money.
“We put all the money on Kesha,” said Bowman, also 24. “We dumped everything on her.”
Jones was holding $3,413 in cash when she was arrested earlier following the search at suspected drug house on Elliott Avenue, according to police records.
Jones, Glover and Bowman, along with three other defendants — Rayshawn Lee, 33; Anthony J. Taylor II, 31; and Adrian Walker, 28 — are charged with complicity in trafficking in a controlled substance and running an organized crime syndicate.
They have all pleaded not guilty.
Police surveil Jamarcus Glover and Breonna Taylor
Court records show that Taylor posted bond twice for Glover in 2017, as mentioned in the police report, though it is not unusual for a girlfriend, spouse, friend or parent to post bond for a loved one.
The police report says Glover called Taylor’s phone from the jail 27 times from January 2016 to January 2020, including the Jan. 3 call in which he asked her to contact Adrian Walker — no relation to Kenneth Walker — to round up bail money for him.
The report also says that on Feb. 13 — a month before Taylor's death — detectives watched through a pole camera mounted outside the Elliot Avenue house as Taylor and Glover drove up to the house in her black Dodge Charger.
Glover got out and went inside. He came out after a few minutes and they drove off, the report says.
Police previously disclosed in their application to search Taylor’s apartment that another vehicle registered to Taylor, a white 2016 Chevrolet Impala, was seen parked in front of the Elliott Avenue house several times.
The report says Glover called Adrian Walker at the jail the same day Taylor was killed and said he didn’t understand why police searched her apartment because "nothing ties me to Bre house at all except those bonds" — an apparent reference to the bail bonds she posted for him in 2017.
Adrian Walker responded that there were other ties, including photos they knew had been taken of her car from the police camera.
“Yeah, she was there the top of the week before I went to court,” Glover said.
He said he was upset by Taylor’s death, according to the recording.
“I’m tore,” he said. “I’m tore.
“I keep losing those close to me,” he told Adrian Walker. “… This s--- kills my soul. I lose people that really be close to me. That hurt, boy."
He blamed Kenneth Walker for Taylor’s death.
"At the end of the day it was not my fault. … At the end of the day, if I would have been at that house Bre would be alive, bruh. … I don’t shoot at no police.”
Breonna Taylor's boyfriend again says he didn't know he was firing at police
Taylor’s death has been widely and loudly condemned by celebrities, including LeBron James, Oprah Winfrey and Beyoncé Knowles.
Both former first lady Michelle Obama and Democratic vice presidential candidate Kamala Harris mentioned her when they addressed the Democratic National Convention last week.
Protesters have insisted Taylor was murdered and demanded that the officers be fired, charged and convicted.
Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron, who spoke at Tuesday's Republican National Convention, is reviewing the shooting.
Mattingly has told investigators police knocked and announced they were officers and that nobody responded so they used a battering ram to force open the door.
Taylor’s boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, fired one shot from inside the apartment, saying later he thought intruders were breaking in, and it hit Mattingly in the thigh.
Mattingly and Cosgrove returned fire first through the doorway, while Hankison fired from the outside the apartment.
I said "may not have been". For him to be DQ'd before ever going to MEPS means it was likely either an academic issue (some report he was a drop out-- he may have not been able to get a qualifying score on the ASVAB-- which is concerning since the bar isn't high) Or it was concerns with some of his answers to the recruiters intake questions (which is often a concern over stability to handle the life of a Marine and to get through boot camp--a lot of "gung ho" kids can't make it). "Most stable" isn't to imply that he is mentally unstable.. just that it takes a certain level of stability and maturity to make it as a Marine.
Originally Posted by Grace Preston
There’s about a million reasons this could happen that have absolutely nothing to do with test scores or his “stability”.
Parse it up anyway you want to. GP is being beyond considerate in her assessment which you guys are discounting. She is too nice.
He is an unstable gun nutjob that the military didn't even want. Obsessed with and influenced by Trump. It doesn't matter who drove him or how he got there.He's a freak that wanted to shoot some people.He didn't have any business being there.His whole gang of thugs was there to give some pushback,some balance via guns and intimidation.
All you guys do is assassinate the character of the Murder Victims and condone the murderous freak.Your strategy is the same as when a girl gets raped and the perps attorney claims she was a loose woman who was asking for it and deserved to get raped.It's the same thing.
And all those pictures and videos graphically demonstrate all the horrible things which have taken place under Trump's presidency.It's total disorder.It's bad enough his slow and inadequate pandemic response but coupled with the economic and unemployment debacle and the civil unrest which he is not only not calming down but inciting and inflaming is terrible.
Parse it up anyway you want to. GP is being beyond considerate in her assessment which you guys are discounting. She is too nice.
He is an unstable gun nutjob that the military didn't even want. Obsessed with and influenced by Trump. It doesn't matter who drove him or how he got there.He's a freak that wanted to shoot some people.He didn't have any business being there.His whole gang of thugs was there to give some pushback,some balance via guns and intimidation.
All you guys do is assassinate the character of the Murder Victims and condone the murderous freak.Your strategy is the same as when a girl gets raped and the perps attorney claims she was a loose woman who was asking for it and deserved to get raped.It's the same thing.
And all those pictures and videos graphically demonstrate all the horrible things which have taken place under Trump's presidency.It's total disorder.It's bad enough his slow and inadequate pandemic response but coupled with the economic and unemployment debacle and the civil unrest which he is not only not calming down but inciting and inflaming is terrible.
Another murderous teen Trump supporter.
Originally Posted by sportfisherman
the dumbest thing is to claim the riots, arson. murders. assaults etc that are happening under trump's administration is his fault
accept the constitution and the election and it wouldn't be anyone's fault
the 'we are going to destroy America because we dont like the constitution, capitalism, law, and trump" and then blame it on trump because its happening when he is president is the dumbest connection of cause and effect ever unless its to say if we take over we wont riot and therefore its trump fault because we haven't taken over yet
Do we Have a president ? Or do we have an out of his depth reality tv personality that is weak and uninformed and just blown around by the winds of fate ? He has blamed away Every adverse occurrence on his watch.
I would not question the intellect of someone wanting to hold him to account but rather the ones that just blindly accept and rationalize all his fuck ups.
Parse it up anyway you want to. GP is being beyond considerate in her assessment which you guys are discounting. She is too nice.
He is an unstable gun nutjob that the military didn't even want. Obsessed with and influenced by Trump. It doesn't matter who drove him or how he got there.He's a freak that wanted to shoot some people.He didn't have any business being there.His whole gang of thugs was there to give some pushback,some balance via guns and intimidation.
All you guys do is assassinate the character of the Murder Victims and condone the murderous freak.Your strategy is the same as when a girl gets raped and the perps attorney claims she was a loose woman who was asking for it and deserved to get raped.It's the same thing.
And all those pictures and videos graphically demonstrate all the horrible things which have taken place under Trump's presidency.It's total disorder.It's bad enough his slow and inadequate pandemic response but coupled with the economic and unemployment debacle and the civil unrest which he is not only not calming down but inciting and inflaming is terrible.
Another murderous teen Trump supporter.
Originally Posted by sportfisherman
First question is what fucking character? These motherfuckers had nothing but bad character.
You and your ilk spend all your time making excuses for these motherfuckers that got shot. You act like they were just peacefully protesting. No condemnation of the murder, assaults, arson and a whole slew of other criminal activities these so called "victims" have been perpetrating for the past 3 months. In your world we're just supposed to sit back and accept these activities as just and then when someone stands up to these thugs you whine and cry about how unjust this is. Fuck you and all of the liberals. You all suck.