Times are Hard

You are right Surcher. You do not have a dog in that fight, and I know more about Lauren than you might suspect; hence, your comment was totally uncalled for - and totally petty. Originally Posted by WTF

I had a dog in the fight....Leah and I are friendly if not friends via pm. That lady knows the real deal and does not post a bunch of self promoting caca. There is no way in hell she thought I meant anything insulting to her. The insult was Lauren giving Leah advice on a question that Leah did not even ask about.

Furthermore, If Lauren left because she did not like my posts, it would be no different than if I left because I did not like yours. My choice. You post what you want , when ya want. I can either respond, ignore , cry or leave. You have no control over how I respond. I had no control over how Lauren responded. I do not have that kind of power. She will be back, she just threw her usual hissy fit for attention, glad to see you are still giving it to her.

Oh and for the record, I never insulted Lauren about her profession like you and Marshall have with amusement. [/quote] ???? You just admitted you did!

Doubt if you will, but if you were to you read the many, many posts by WTF towards Lauren in those days before she quit, you will see that his remarks are sarcastic and insincere. Sarcasm and ridicule are the context of his posts. Originally Posted by I B Hankering

And if you dig a bit deeper you will find that Summerhill conspired with her band of Goddesses to get me banned in another place and time.

Now it was my fault for taking the bait, I freely admit.

Why are you trying to justify Marshall and you horrible behaviour towards another lady with me and Summerhill?

Even if it were true...and it is not, there is no reason for your and Marshall comments towards the ladies choice of professions any of the ladies. Not just this one lady but all ladies.

I???? You just admitted you did! Originally Posted by I B Hankering

No I didn't, I admitted to not agreeing with Lauren on many many things. Just as you and I disagree.

I never ever stooped so low as to bring up her profession into the mix. Her profession had nothing to do with her double standards.

Well they may have shaped her views but it was not fair game to ridicule her about her profession, one that I do use!

God you have some twisted logic going on.

Plus you are having a hard time with Surchers point.


The insult was Lauren giving Leah advice on a question that Leah did not even ask about

Why are you trying to justify Marshall and you horrible behaviour towards another lady with me and Summerhill?

Even if it were true...and it is not, there is no reason for your and Marshall comments towards the ladies choice of professions any of the ladies. Not just this one lady but all ladies. Originally Posted by WTF

I never made a negative remark about anybody's choice of profession, except maybe for yours. What I am saying is you pointedly sought Lauren out and ridiculed her from thread to thread. You kept interjecting previous disagreements into each and every new thread until she quit. You insulted her and drove her away. Then you want to play WK with a "mock honor" code at the drop of a hat with Marshall's first or second post - that is not that different from yours. Again, you did it repeatedly, over, and over, and over.

I never made a negative remark about anybody's choice of profession, except maybe for yours. What I am saying is you pointedly sought Lauren out and ridiculed her from thread to thread. You kept interjecting previous disagreements into each and every new thread until she quit. You insulted her and drove her away. Then you want to play WK with a "mock honor" code at the drop of a hat with Marshall's first or second post - that is not that different from yours. Again, you did it repeatedly, over, and over, and over. Originally Posted by I B Hankering

you do not know my profession. Now there. We got that clear. Next I gave you every oppertunity to denounce marshall bs. You did not. So don't play that whiny shit. I made it perfectly clear wtf I did not care for. It is not wk. I said her pov was fair game. Fire away. I did with lauren. I do with you and you are welcome to go after my pov. Quitb trying to mix those two seperate points. You are as double standard as summerhill.

you do not know my profession. Now there. We got that clear. Originally Posted by WTF

True, I do not know your profession, but that doesn't mean I didn't malign you at some point in the past.

Next I gave you every oppertunity to denounce marshall bs. You did not. So don't play that whiny shit. Originally Posted by WTF

I don't agree with everything Marshall posts, but I'm not his keeper. So I'll defer to him to defend himself, as I do myself.

I made it perfectly clear wtf I did not care for. It is not wk. I said her pov was fair game. I do with you and you are welcome to go after my pov. Quitb trying to mix those two seperate points. You are as double standard as summerhill. Originally Posted by WTF

Lauren is so much more pretty than you. I am always going to take her side. But point of fact, it's time to stop the back and forth on this topic.

I don't agree with everything Marshall posts, but I'm not his keeper. So I'll defer to him to defend himself Originally Posted by I B Hankering

??????? Defend myself? From what?

??????? Defend myself? From what? Originally Posted by Marshall

WTF, or whom ever.

WTF, or whom ever. Originally Posted by I B Hankering

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HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA........! I thought you were being serious! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! You are funny.......

What specific spending cuts has Obama actually stated. Everything seems to be said in generalities. Spending freeze at current levels? How about a roll back to 3 years ago and then freeze that for then next 4 years. Current spending levels are way to high and much higher than they were 3 years ago (before Bush left office) What would a roll back to spending levels from 3 years ago do to the deficit? I don't know the answer to that.

True, I do not know your profession, but that doesn't mean I didn't malign you at some point in the past. Originally Posted by I B Hankering

My point was that for the most part, one's profession has nothing to do with one's character.

I don't agree with everything Marshall posts, but I'm not his keeper. So I'll defer to him to defend himself, as I do myself. Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Yes but I directly asked you on more than one occasion if you agreed with Marshall's approach. I will leave you with some Burke on this matter and the latter evolution of the saying.
‘When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.’

That quote from Edmund Burke in ‘Thoughts on the Cause of Present Discontents’ has, in general use, come to be delivered as, ‘The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.’
http://tartarus.org/~martin/essays/burkequote2.html

Lauren is so much more pretty than you. Agreed I am always going to take her side. Understandable But point of fact, it's time to stop the back and forth on this topic. Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Let me get this straight, you accuse me of doing something that Marshall did. When I strenuously object and would like to debate the matter to fruition, you then want to stop the debate in midstream? Did I get that correct?

How about you retract your accusation. Say you were mistaken, make amends and then move on.

I have readily admitted to having a different POV than Lauren. That is a far cry from bad mouthing Leah Ireland or doing anything to cut down Lauren chosen profession to get a leg up in a debate. Which is wtf Marshall did but is now playing possum to.

I warned you that if you find yourself in his corner to often you would have a hard time getting the stench off.

Now please apologize for comparing the spat(s) between Lauren and myself and Marshall and amusement. If not I will open the link you provided and dispel any misconception you have. Leah Ireland is a smart cookie and at no point was I trying to belittle her POV.

Dealing with people like Marshall is gutter posting I will admit. The problem as I see it is folks like you. Folks who stand by silently as he steps over the line time and time again. As long as your side continues to sit on your hands when he posts over the top crap ( by that, I mean bringing a young lady's profession into the conversation)....you will continue to see me post with the respect you deserve. Which is in fact none. Originally Posted by WTF

i read your post to me and it raised my ire and i thought of nasty things to say to you, then i thought better of it and wasn't going to respond, but this morning i decided to.

1. i do not read Marshall's posts except in passing or just by happenstance. you addressing me as if i am somehow responsible for another's post is quite galling, and as i considered it, i was struck that it does fit with your other posts lumping things together constantly in some sort of warped stew brewing fumes in your mind that forever escape through your finger tips and find their way to this site .

2. i have no idea what was or wasn't said about anyone, a lady or a man or you (a possible indeterminate)

3. You once had, i thought, some sort of good humor and a respect toward others, you have since devolved into or been revealed as a humorless and graceless scribbler and crass miss-stater of all things that matter.

4. you have no clue what i deserve, however your respect i do not seek.

i read your post to me and it raised my ire and i thought of nasty things to say to you, then i thought better of it and wasn't going to respond, but this morning i decided to.

. Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

I responded to your observation of me. It was a harsh observation IMHO. I responded in kind. You now feel the need to get in some last word? Fine.

I stand by my orginial response to your observation. I no more need/seek your respect than you seek/need mine.

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2. i have no idea what was or wasn't said about anyone, a lady or a man or you (a possible indeterminate)
Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

Then why the fuc are you commenting on me? You are not following the bouncing ball. You come in and comment on my posts without taking into consideration the context of my posts in regards to others that have posted? Talk about distorting. The very thing you accuse me of.....

4. you have no clue what i deserve, however your respect i do not seek. Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

I know exactly wtf you deserve in regards to exchanges between you and I in this forum. I claimed not to know anything more about you in the respect department. Why would you think it ok for you to make a negative public observation about me and me not to do so in kind? Maybe you missed this in an earlier post....‘The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.’ You do understand that wtf I am implying is that you (and others) are good man, albiet ones sitting on one's hands while Marshall spews his caca.

Let's review where we are here..........

When this board opened up for political discussion, I did not initially participate......during that period of time WDF [watta dumb fuck] and Doofus ran rough-shod like a couple of liberal bullies......now I show up and bitch-slap these bullies around and reveal them for the pussies that they are......Doofus has a nervous breakdown and runs to the mod for help, and WDF gets scared and has spent his time recruiting people against me because he's a worthless cunt who can't handle me by himself...........

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Let's review where we are here..........

When this board opened up for political discussion, I did not initially participate......during that period of time WDF [watta dumb fuck] and Doofus ran rough-shod like a couple of liberal bullies......now I show up and bitch-slap these bullies around and reveal them for the pussies that they are......Doofus has a nervous breakdown and runs to the mod for help, and WDF gets scared and has spent his time recruiting people against me because he's a worthless cunt who can't handle me by himself...........

HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! Originally Posted by Marshall

Marshall, I have not recruited people against you, though I do think that would be the easiest job in the world.

I may start a drive to have everyone put you on ignore. That is hardly the actions of one scared of you.

To your other point, if you think it running roughshod over people that continue to post lies (such as tax cuts always produce more income to the government) and the key word is continue because I have tried to be nice the first couple of hundred times, then yes I will have to agree with you in that regard.