OH SHIT!!! Even Chicago Tribune says Obamacare is a Shit Law and Obama is acting like a Communist!

Originally Posted by R.M.

AWESOME VIDEO! It's about CONTROL!...Fucken Ozombies are so stupid but it is SAD that the country will never recover.

Proves one thing rock head if those people are all liberals they are smarter than the right.LOL Originally Posted by i'va biggen

Every time you post, you prove your ignorance.

Memo to NWAROUNDER, the capacity problems and other software glitches have not been fixed yet. You can't estimate anything based on the first week. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that in the first year (2014) 10 million people will get health insurance from the Obamacare exchanges. Getting health insurance to 10 million more people is good thing. Now go back to where you work and continue to tell your doctors who they can and cannot see. Originally Posted by flghtr65

Haha, why can't one estimate the numbers after the first week? The insurance companies sure are, calling it ugly and a disaster! I will gladly adjust as the numbers come in and the website gets fixed. I was merely pointing out, in your memo to Dr. Carson, that no one on the face of the earth except you, were estimating 47M to sign up the first year. Revised down to 10M on the same day. See your trend?

Every time you post, you prove your ignorance. Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

Every time you post you prove your ignorance.

Dr. Carson has and always will be one of my biggest inspirations, but he's headed down the wrong path now. He's allowing himself to be manipulated by far right wing groups that are only looking for a minority face to further whatever agenda they have, as if in someway that will endear minorities to the republican party. The times I saw Dr. Carson on Hannity, he seemed to be pretty good at avoiding the oversimplifications, half truths, and over-exaggerations that politicians are good at these days. Apparently the more moderate approach wasn't getting him where he wanted to be so now he's going this route.

The ironic part about him attacking Obama is that if it were not for Obama no one in the GOP would be taking people like him, Herman Cain, or Tim Scott seriously, since before Obama it had not been proven that a minority could win the presidency and the GOP is not progressive that way. Rafael Cruz, Rubio, et al also owe Obama a debt of gratitude for breaking the glass ceiling.

As far as Obamacare is concerned, as an independent, I wish the GOP was as interested in quoting studies from actuaries back in 2009 as they are today, and provided a real alternative that would take care of the preexisting condition problem in the individual health insurance market. Had they done that instead of simply trying to out - politic a better politician, America would be in a better place now. Neither side really has a firm understanding of the issues involved in health insurance and frankly they are both more interested in playing politics than fixing problems.

I just deleted the thread containing post #1

Threads merged

Doesn't make sense as to why they were merged. One thread was about the price increase due to Obamacare and the other was about how many will STILL be uninsured under Obamacare!

WOW do you have it wrong. Dr. Carson is in the field and knows it better than YOU!!!

He knows what he is talking about. Even Howard Dean admitted that obamacare HAS DEATH PANELS!
http://www.lifenews.com/2013/07/29/h...them-repealed/

If libtards read the discussion would be OVER!

Dr. Carson has and always will be one of my biggest inspirations, but he's headed down the wrong path now. He's allowing himself to be manipulated by far right wing groups that are only looking for a minority face to further whatever agenda they have, as if in someway that will endear minorities to the republican party. The times I saw Dr. Carson on Hannity, he seemed to be pretty good at avoiding the oversimplifications, half truths, and over-exaggerations that politicians are good at these days. Apparently the more moderate approach wasn't getting him where he wanted to be so now he's going this route.

The ironic part about him attacking Obama is that if it were not for Obama no one in the GOP would be taking people like him, Herman Cain, or Tim Scott seriously, since before Obama it had not been proven that a minority could win the presidency and the GOP is not progressive that way. Rafael Cruz, Rubio, et al also owe Obama a debt of gratitude for breaking the glass ceiling.

As far as Obamacare is concerned, as an independent, I wish the GOP was as interested in quoting studies from actuaries back in 2009 as they are today, and provided a real alternative that would take care of the preexisting condition problem in the individual health insurance market. Had they done that instead of simply trying to out - politic a better politician, America would be in a better place now. Neither side really has a firm understanding of the issues involved in health insurance and frankly they are both more interested in playing politics than fixing problems. Originally Posted by blackmaleindallas

Doesn't make sense as to why they were merged. One thread was about the price increase due to Obamacare and the other was about how many will STILL be uninsured under Obamacare! Originally Posted by therock18

Got to make the RTM queen happy...Yssup Hater...LOL

Buffet comment may be 3 yrs old but it still holds true today and the rest of the story is current Assup!!!

Three year old story.

SNICK!!!! Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Dr. Carson has and always will be one of my biggest inspirations, but Originally Posted by blackmaleindallas

You are a brain dead Ozombie...and have astro-turf carpet burns on your ass...

and You have done nothing to prove your ridiculous claims, Rockhead. NOTHING.

Premiums are down.

Doctor choice is UNCHANGED from the status quo.

There ARE no government owned insurance providers involved here.

YOURE JUST A FUCKING LIAR. Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

theroack18 I see how it is.... I'm new to posting but I'm noticing when lies are opposed with facts some posters go to insults and MORE lies... Its OK and as a fellow American, I fully support your right to be wrong Buddy.

Thanks YR

WOW do you have it wrong. Dr. Carson is in the field and knows it better than YOU!!!

He knows what he is talking about. Even Howard Dean admitted that obamacare HAS DEATH PANELS!
http://www.lifenews.com/2013/07/29/h...them-repealed/

If libtards read the discussion would be OVER!
Originally Posted by therock18

They actually got the death panels out of Obamacare after all the backlash, now what they are doing is hiring independent death panels to decide what, and when insurance companies will have to pay for individuals health expenses. See, no death panels in Obamacare, wasn't that nice of them?

Not everyone who applies for this care is eligible for a subsidy. If its proven one cant afford mandated coverage, he/she would be eligible for the subsidies you speak of.

Speaking for myself I currently have GREAT coverage for me the fam which is a bit pricey but I pay it, and due to the fact I'm in a higher tax bracket, I wouldnt qualify for subsidized care BUT I dont have issues with those who do.

Please tell me why the higher costs of subsidies to the wealthy are more acceptable than helping those whom are less fortunate?? Originally Posted by GentleGiant2467

In a later post you spoke of the facts, so I'll just point out a few facts as well, as politely as you have and hope you continue.

First fact, at least for the first year, there is no proof required, they are not enforcing that. You simply tell them what you make and they will honor your statement. It's another incentive to get more to sign up.
Second fact, the majority of the subsidies are from the healthy who do not need insurance, subsidizing the sick and the old. While it is true there are tax subsidies being provided to the poor, those subsidies are too small to overcome the collapse of Obamacare if the healthy do not sign up. If the insurance companies can't make money, there is nothing in Obamacare that prevents them from raising premiums or dropping out altogether.

I understand the emotional aspect of wanting this bill to work, but fiscally speaking I don't see it ending well.