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We need a libertarian but one will never get elected. As much as I don't like her I would take Hillary over trump any day. Has anyone asked themselves what are Trumps qualifications ? He has no political experience at all zero - he will goo down as the most unqualified candidate to head a party EVER! Hillary's experience as a senator and Secretary of State - who by the way Trump once praised https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o4lFrk4PbVg
I am sorry but you have to be either racist or an idiot or both to vote for Trump. He doesn't he give sound reasons on how his policies will work. Do any of you Trump supporters think Trump is going to get Mexico to pay for the wall? Bring jobs back to America says Trump -maybe he should start with his company that makes his ties and suits they still are to this day made in China and Bangladesh. Originally Posted by Luke_Wyatt

While I agree that experience is of utmost importance in a position of such magnitude, I would not be ready to accept a person with what I would call bad experience. I simply don't like many things she has done or her ideals and values. Doesn't make either one of us horrible people to disagree. But when you start calling people names because they do disagree with your own interests and ideologies, you lower yourself to the same position as the rest of the name callers on the other side.
Maybe you didn't see the part where I said I wasn't on the Trump bandwagon when you started pointing a finger and saying "you Trump supporters" and "you must be racist or an idiot". Any vote outside of Trump will be a vote for Clinton. And I think Aoi is correct in that many Americans are tired of the same crap being forced down their throats and for that reason will vote Trump. But those who believe that the current regime has done an outstanding job, don't see a need for change.

Just keep your filthy hands off my ar-15 "assault" rifle and my semi automatic "assault" Glocks.

Geee. A man wearing an oversized shirt comes skulking towards a club. I'm sure the armed guards who are trained to be ready for situations involving hostiles will not see that coming!

Do you know anything about how guns work? First of all, you';re not going to hide a rifle in a shirt. That's stupid. And second, the moment the guards see something like this, they're going to draw and prepare to down before he steps within spitting distance of the door. Originally Posted by Aoi

Stupidity- here's a video where a guy- who by the way isn't wearing an oversized shirt- clearly shows how you can hide an AR-15 and walk into any venue and no one would suspect you have a weapon:
https://video-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/...5d&oe=5761C10B
AOI after you watch the video please STFU and move on!

Ali - Google is your friend. And I don't care about personal experience. He was a racist turd.

Koran - Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Stop being such a leftist turd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVpfcq4pV5U#t=30 Originally Posted by Aoi

You like many other ignorant take one verse and try to run with it without reading the context of the verse preceding and following- here it is explained in the words of a Muslim scholar whose interpreation of the Koran holds more credibility then your or mine- keep in mind you never read the Koran:
ow, verse 8:12 comes into clearer focus. The verse speaks about what God told the angels to say to the believers, in order to inspire them before the battle. The Muslims were very fearful, especially since the Meccans were thrice their number, battle hardened, and much better equipped. This becomes even clearer when the verse is read in context:

[9]: Lo! You were praying unto your Sustainer for aid, whereupon He thus responded to you: “I shall, verily, aid you with a thousand angels following one upon another!”

[10]: And God ordained this only as a glad tiding, and that your hearts should thereby be set at rest - since no succour can come from any save God: verily, God is almighty, wise!

[11]: [Remember how it was] when He caused inner calm to enfold you, as an assurance from Him, and sent down upon you water from the skies, so that He might purify you thereby and free you from Satan’s unclean whisperings and strengthen your hearts and thus make firm your steps.

[12]: Lo! Thy Sustainer inspired the angels [to convey this His message to the believers]: “I am with you! [And He commanded the angels:] “And give firmness unto those who have attained to faith (with these words from Me ‘I shall cast terror into the hearts of those who are bent on denying the truth; strike, then, their necks, and strike off every one of their finger-tips.’” [emphasis added]

See? The verse is clearly speaking about the events surrounding the Battle of Badr. It is not a general command to “strike at the necks of the infidels.” Anyone with an understanding of the history of Islam knows this. When I read these verses, I know that they refer to the Battle of Badr. No where in my mind is there even an inkling of a thought to “strike at the necks of the infidels.”

This reminds me of another verse which is frequently cited by critics of Islam as proof of the Qur’an’ s exhortation to kill those who are not Muslim. In fact, some of these critics even claim that this verse is the scriptural basis for the brutal and inhuman practice of beheading now common in Iraq and Afghanistan:

“smite their (the infidels) necks until you overcome them fully, and then tighten their bonds” (47:4)

This could not be farther from the truth. Now, I purposely quoted only part of the verse out of context to show how misleading this tactic is. The full verse reads:

“Now when you meet [in war] those who are bent on denying the truth (commonly translated as “the infidels”) smite their necks until you overcome them fully, and then tighten their bonds; but thereafter [set them free] either by an act of grace or against ransom, so that the burden of war may be lifted: thus [shall it be]. And [know that] had God so willed, He could indeed punish them [Himself]; but [He wills you to struggle] so as to test you [all] by means of one another. And as for those who are slain in God’s cause, never will He let their deeds go to waste.” (47:4)

This verse, like 8:12, is speaking about the believers’ conduct in an open battle against the enemy. God is “psyching up” the believers before a battle, just like American soldiers psych themselves up before they go into combat. It is not an open call to behead all infidels. Once again, when the verse is understood in its context, this becomes obviously clear.

In fact, the verse actually is one of mercy toward the enemy. After the battle is over, during which the believers are to “smite their necks,” the verse directs the believers to set free those who are captured by the Muslims, either “by an act of grace or against ransom.” These captives are avowed enemies, who would have killed the believers if they had the chance. Despite this, however, the verse directs the Muslims to set them free. How, in God’s Most Holy Name, can this verse be one of terror?

Out of context, you say? That's why they've been chopping off heads for the past 1500+ years? That's why Muslim scholars like Bin Ladin and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. both of whom know more about Islam than you ever will, still practices decapitation? And I don't give a shit if you are a Muslim. You have repeatedly proven you are criminally stupid and apologetic towards what is clearly an evil religion. You have yet to prove to me why it isn't.




And when did Netenyahu go around telling people to cut out children from pregnant women? How about slaughtering children? Both in the name of God? When was the last time you saw a Jew go around doing anything as barbaric? Contrast this to what is going on right now in the Middle East, both ISIS as well as other regions. And when in the flying FUCK, did I say it wasn't from the Bible? I said it's from the Old Testament, therefore, irrelevant to the New Testament, which is about the New Covenant. if we were to take both the old and the new at the same time as the central theology, Jesus would be both the savior and not the savior. You clearly have no fucking clue about Judaism and Christianity. Go read a fucking book. Or better yet, register for the Religion class in DCCCD. It's a good outline of the differences between various religions.



Yes. Every BIble does have Genesis and Revelelations. Congrat-u-fucking-lation. You read the first page of the Bible and the last page! Now, tell me when the fuck did I say anything about a special Bible? Good lord, if you're going to set up a straw man, at least make one that doesn't look as stupid as you!



Do you know any denomination of Christianity that doesn't acknowledge that Jesus is the Messiah because He wasn't mentioned in the Old Testament? Answer : No. And you don't know shit about religion.



List one that that I said was bigoted. I'm calling a religion that calls for throwing off gays from buildings, burning people alive, genitally mutilating women, raping women, then killing said women, decapitating children, believing that killing many will send you to heaven, and is constantly in the center of terrorism as well as genocide, evil.



Because it is.



Jesus also said to carry a sword to protect yourself. And I never said I was a good Christian. I'm merely calling a spade, a spade. An evil religion, an evil religion. There has been no belief system, Christian or secular, or Jewish, that has the body count of Islam. Fact.

Now, prove to me why the fuck you don't think Islam isn't evil, when historically, they have done nothing but fuck things up for everyone else. Originally Posted by Aoi

Hi, again - just pointing out some facts here.

1. Aoi, I like the fact that you're adamant about your positioning and passionate about your beliefs - but you really do need to be careful quoting things as facts which aren't. You keep attempting to point out that Muslims do things that Christians wouldn't (as far as atrocities); but Christians did the same atrocities as Muslims including horrible tortures. Here's a random link, just to give anyone interested a brief glimpse of the was Christians treated Saracens (Muslims) during the crusades. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusad...n_Saracens.jpg So this treating enemy / adversaries to torture is not a Muslim only thing. By your own definition, ".. burnt people alive, genitally mutilating women, raping women, then killing said women, decapitating children, believing that killing many will send you to heaven, and is constantly in the center of terrorism as well as genocide", you're calling Christians "evil" (since Christians have done these things as well). Your premise is you're trying to base your argument on a very small immediate window from history (Today - Christians aren't doing this while Muslims are!)... that's like taking a small text from the bible - and refusing to acknowledge the entire text / history to justify your positioning. That's flawed.
2. As far as the amount of people killed by these attacks, unfortunately (statistically) - it's just a blip. (Every life is important and sacred - and every loss a tragedy... I'm just talking statistics). During the Crusades (which went on for 200 years BTW... again, "perspective"), about 200,000 people died - lets say half were Muslim, that's 100k that died at the hands of Christians. The world population was only 450M, so that .04% (that's a big percentage). For Muslims to even approach the same percentage today (Because we're around 7B), they would have to reach 1.4M deaths today,... So statistically, they are a blip even with every terrorism act since 2000 added up... just a blip.

In light of this - your conclusion that Muslim is an "evil religion" has no basis... what's going on (again) is a bunch of radicalized leaders using the power of organized religion as a spring-board justification for atrocious acts.

By blaming the religion (with broad strokes of hatred, as your doing) - you're really just as bad as they are. Adding to the fires of hatred on a people who (as a group statistical size) aren't any worse than any non-religious "activated" rebel group.

In other words Aoi - you're only able to talk about them as a group, BECAUSE they are all a part of that group... so you're saying, "...because a few in the group are X, the entire group is X". That's flawed thinking and unchristian as well... matter of fact, it's one of the early lessons in the bible. Genesis 18:16-33. You don't condemn innocent for the actions of others; not matter how abhorrent. And, there is no statement you could make about "all Muslims" for anything, that would be accurate - anymore than and a Muslim could make a statement that would be correct about "all Christians".

You like many other ignorant take one verse and try to run with it without reading the context of the verse preceding and following... Originally Posted by Luke_Wyatt

Luke, you made the point. It's probably not going to matter. (But, I would have quoted the same passage).

I'm not a Muslim, I don't wish to be... I like to drink, they lost me right there.

But I did read and study the Quran, and the Bible, and the Book of Mormon, and the Tao Te Ching (one of my favs by the way, good read if you haven't), and a bunch of other texts.

The simple truth is, historically (as Luke points out the passage above) you will see violence condoned in these texts... that's not a commandment or justification to do these acts. It's just a history from a groups perspective.


Hating anyone based solely on their association always leads to violence. However, it has it's basis somewhere. Aoi - I think you might feel I pick on you, but it's only the fact that you're not looking in a mirror that bothers me. You can't spew hatred against a group, and then not understand and accept that same groups unjustified hatred of you simply for being a part of a sect, culture, race, or whatever.

And you can't have blinders of your (groups) own failures because you personally weren't involved, to justify your blanket feelings against others for the actions of a few.

Again - the exact same hatred you're spewing is exactly what radicalizers in their midst are doing to their members. So, the reason you're hating Muslims for the actions they have perpetrated - are precipitated by people there, doing exactly what you are doing here.

1. They misquote passages from the Bible; and twist the meaning to make their radical point to impressionable listeners.
2. They say "All Christians want to eliminate all Muslims"
3. They say "All Christians hate all Muslims and their Bible tells them to "pluck out our eyes and beat us with the jaw bone of an ass!", etc...

So, maybe you want to dial it back - or stay off this topic. Or is your purpose to insight more Christian terrorists like Wade Michael Page?

Again, all this death and hatred due to Organized Religion... (ours, theirs, everyone's). This is why Aoi keeps returning to arguments involving Christianity, and Luke keeps jabbing back.

Here's do what I do - pick another random reason! Today I'm just going to hate everyone from 26degrees to 34degrees north latitude, regardless of religion!

(Shit, is Dallas in there?!? ooops.... sorry! Good at religion, bad at geography! lol)

You like many other ignorant take one verse and try to run with it without reading the context of the verse preceding and following- here it is explained in the words of a Muslim scholar whose interpreation of the Koran holds more credibility then your or mine- keep in mind you never read the Koran:
ow, verse 8:12 comes into clearer focus. The verse speaks about what God told the angels to say to the believers, in order to inspire them before the battle. The Muslims were very fearful, especially since the Meccans were thrice their number, battle hardened, and much better equipped. This becomes even clearer when the verse is read in context:

[9]: Lo! You were praying unto your Sustainer for aid, whereupon He thus responded to you: “I shall, verily, aid you with a thousand angels following one upon another!”

[10]: And God ordained this only as a glad tiding, and that your hearts should thereby be set at rest - since no succour can come from any save God: verily, God is almighty, wise!

[11]: [Remember how it was] when He caused inner calm to enfold you, as an assurance from Him, and sent down upon you water from the skies, so that He might purify you thereby and free you from Satan’s unclean whisperings and strengthen your hearts and thus make firm your steps.

[12]: Lo! Thy Sustainer inspired the angels [to convey this His message to the believers]: “I am with you! [And He commanded the angels:] “And give firmness unto those who have attained to faith (with these words from Me ‘I shall cast terror into the hearts of those who are bent on denying the truth; strike, then, their necks, and strike off every one of their finger-tips.’” [emphasis added]

See? The verse is clearly speaking about the events surrounding the Battle of Badr. It is not a general command to “strike at the necks of the infidels.” Anyone with an understanding of the history of Islam knows this. When I read these verses, I know that they refer to the Battle of Badr. No where in my mind is there even an inkling of a thought to “strike at the necks of the infidels.”

This reminds me of another verse which is frequently cited by critics of Islam as proof of the Qur’an’ s exhortation to kill those who are not Muslim. In fact, some of these critics even claim that this verse is the scriptural basis for the brutal and inhuman practice of beheading now common in Iraq and Afghanistan:

“smite their (the infidels) necks until you overcome them fully, and then tighten their bonds” (47:4)

This could not be farther from the truth. Now, I purposely quoted only part of the verse out of context to show how misleading this tactic is. The full verse reads:

“Now when you meet [in war] those who are bent on denying the truth (commonly translated as “the infidels”) smite their necks until you overcome them fully, and then tighten their bonds; but thereafter [set them free] either by an act of grace or against ransom, so that the burden of war may be lifted: thus [shall it be]. And [know that] had God so willed, He could indeed punish them [Himself]; but [He wills you to struggle] so as to test you [all] by means of one another. And as for those who are slain in God’s cause, never will He let their deeds go to waste.” (47:4)

This verse, like 8:12, is speaking about the believers’ conduct in an open battle against the enemy. God is “psyching up” the believers before a battle, just like American soldiers psych themselves up before they go into combat. It is not an open call to behead all infidels. Once again, when the verse is understood in its context, this becomes obviously clear.

In fact, the verse actually is one of mercy toward the enemy. After the battle is over, during which the believers are to “smite their necks,” the verse directs the believers to set free those who are captured by the Muslims, either “by an act of grace or against ransom.” These captives are avowed enemies, who would have killed the believers if they had the chance. Despite this, however, the verse directs the Muslims to set them free. How, in God’s Most Holy Name, can this verse be one of terror? Originally Posted by Luke_Wyatt

You do realize that, literally everything you just put up is largely irrelevent, due to the fact that Islam has been at war with literally everyone, right? And that throughout history, they've been doing just what I say they've been doing : which is to subjugate nations and chop off the heads of those who don't submit to Allah. You do realize that this is far from just one battle, but an edict for force others into converting to Islam.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pa.../violence.aspx

One battle, you say? Complete and utter bullshit. Muhommed was a pedophile terrorist. And he DID call to subjugate nations.

And if you think Islam is so fucking peaceful, why the fuck is the Middle East in such turmoil BECAUSE of Sharia law? Why hasn't there been peace there in the past 2000 years? Why have Jihadists been at the center of so many major wars and skirmishes? You wonder why Jefferson bought a Koran? it wasn't to respect the religion of Islam. It was to know who his enemy is ,because even during the hayday of our country, we were at war with Islamic pirates. You keep saying "It's peaceful, it's peaceful" yet I see nothing but chaos and destruction whenever Islam is involved. So, yes. Islam is an evil fucking religion. Go read the fucking link.

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The simple truth is, historically (as Luke points out the passage above) you will see violence condoned in these texts... that's not a commandment or justification to do these acts. It's just a history from a groups perspective.

Muhommed made it crystal clear to subjugate nations, at the tip of a sword. You think it's just a "group" perspective that made people violent? Horse shit. The numerous nations, caliphates and war campaigns is hardly just a "group" perspective. To think of this is to disavow a large chunk of history. It's bullshit.

Hating anyone based solely on their association always leads to violence. However, it has it's basis somewhere. Aoi - I think you might feel I pick on you, but it's only the fact that you're not looking in a mirror that bothers me.

I don't hate anyone based on their association. I simply know that at the root of it all, Islam is an evil religion. I work out at a gym and a lot of ME-people go there, and some of them even pray in public (usually in the locker room) I respect them enough and give them their space and we get along. I even have them spot me. I'm literally putting my safety into their hands. So, to say it's a matter of judging others is utter horse shit. It's easy to acknowledge that Islam is an evil religion. Look what's going on in EU. Look what's going on in the middle east. Look at what happened a few days ago. These are all religiously driven. They're not a couple of wild dogs that got let loose. They are of clear-mind (albeit hateful) and fully aware of what they are planning. To say this is just a few is utterly denying the reality of the situation. Islam is evil.

You can't spew hatred against a group, and then not understand and accept that same groups unjustified hatred of you simply for being a part of a sect, culture, race, or whatever.

I'm not spewing hatred towards a group, Obama. I'm simply acknowledging that their belief structure is absolutely evil. History has literally proven this, time and time again. Too many times and a too large a scale to consider it the action of a handful. And the last time I hated something, I didn't go around shooting up a room full of innocent people. I have every right to hate Islam. It is evil.

And you can't have blinders of your (groups) own failures because you personally weren't involved, to justify your blanket feelings against others for the actions of a few.

Really? What did the gay people do to that guy again? What did the people in the twin towers do again? What did the Foley do again? How about the numerous other people who got their heads chopped off. Stop with the bullshit peace talk. With Islam, there is no peace. And how could they be? They're always fucking up.

Again - the exact same hatred you're spewing is exactly what radicalizers in their midst are doing to their members.

Really? When I tell people I hate Islam, I'm sure my audience isn't going to go out and start chopping off heads. Whereas, Muslims will take it as a nod to go and kill someone who thinks differently. It's perfectly okay to hate on a religion that hates everything else.

So, the reason you're hating Muslims for the actions they have perpetrated - are precipitated by people there, doing exactly what you are doing here.

1. They misquote passages from the Bible; and twist the meaning to make their radical point to impressionable listeners.
2. They say "All Christians want to eliminate all Muslims"
3. They say "All Christians hate all Muslims and their Bible tells them to "pluck out our eyes and beat us with the jaw bone of an ass!", etc...

So, maybe you want to dial it back - or stay off this topic. Or is your purpose to insight more Christian terrorists like Wade Michael Page?

Misquote? Hardly. Seeing as how Muslims are still doing exactly what is quoted and still believe in backwater traditions, it's not misquoting. It's simply revealing.

Christians are never called to eliminate Muslims.
Christians are called to accept others, even those that differ from you.
Christians are called, never to judge.

Tell me one fucking passage where Jesus said to kill Muslims, OTOH, Muhommed has stated to kill others. There is no moral equivalency between Jesus and Muhommed. How the fuck are you actually comparing the two? Muhommed raped women. Jesus didn't. Muhommed killed. Jesus didn't. Muhommed was a pedophile. Jesus wasn't.

You want to know the difference between what I say and what terrorists say? Everything I say is true. It's not hate-mongering. It's outright pointing out history. Muslims also teach a version of history where Jews are non-existent. They also teach children how to stab a Jew. Why? Because of their religion.

Again, all this death and hatred due to Organized Religion... (ours, theirs, everyone's). This is why Aoi keeps returning to arguments involving Christianity, and Luke keeps jabbing back.

Oh, really? Christianity never called to hate people. Islam has. You think it's "Organized Religion" that's causing this? Nope. It's Islam. Jihadis have been at the center of an overwhelming number of wars in Europe, Africa and Asia. Christians? Never. And if you want to prove me wrong, go find me a passage where Jesus tells people to chop off heads. Again, you are entirely ignoring what is happening and using a blanket statement of "it's just organized religion." It's not. Go read a fucking history book.

Here's do what I do - pick another random reason! Today I'm just going to hate everyone from 26degrees to 34degrees north latitude, regardless of religion!

I don't hate for random reasons. I hate a religion that is always fucking shit up.

Hi, again - just pointing out some facts here.

1. Aoi, I like the fact that you're adamant about your positioning and passionate about your beliefs - but you really do need to be careful quoting things as facts which aren't. You keep attempting to point out that Muslims do things that Christians wouldn't (as far as atrocities); but Christians did the same atrocities as Muslims including horrible tortures. Here's a random link, just to give anyone interested a brief glimpse of the was Christians treated Saracens (Muslims) during the crusades. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusad...n_Saracens.jpg So this treating enemy / adversaries to torture is not a Muslim only thing. By your own definition, ".. burnt people alive, genitally mutilating women, raping women, then killing said women, decapitating children, believing that killing many will send you to heaven, and is constantly in the center of terrorism as well as genocide", you're calling Christians "evil" (since Christians have done these things as well). Your premise is you're trying to base your argument on a very small immediate window from history (Today - Christians aren't doing this while Muslims are!)... that's like taking a small text from the bible - and refusing to acknowledge the entire text / history to justify your positioning. That's flawed.
2. As far as the amount of people killed by these attacks, unfortunately (statistically) - it's just a blip. (Every life is important and sacred - and every loss a tragedy... I'm just talking statistics). During the Crusades (which went on for 200 years BTW... again, "perspective"), about 200,000 people died - lets say half were Muslim, that's 100k that died at the hands of Christians. The world population was only 450M, so that .04% (that's a big percentage). For Muslims to even approach the same percentage today (Because we're around 7B), they would have to reach 1.4M deaths today,... So statistically, they are a blip even with every terrorism act since 2000 added up... just a blip.

In light of this - your conclusion that Muslim is an "evil religion" has no basis... what's going on (again) is a bunch of radicalized leaders using the power of organized religion as a spring-board justification for atrocious acts.

By blaming the religion (with broad strokes of hatred, as your doing) - you're really just as bad as they are. Adding to the fires of hatred on a people who (as a group statistical size) aren't any worse than any non-religious "activated" rebel group.

In other words Aoi - you're only able to talk about them as a group, BECAUSE they are all a part of that group... so you're saying, "...because a few in the group are X, the entire group is X". That's flawed thinking and unchristian as well... matter of fact, it's one of the early lessons in the bible. Genesis 18:16-33. You don't condemn innocent for the actions of others; not matter how abhorrent. And, there is no statement you could make about "all Muslims" for anything, that would be accurate - anymore than and a Muslim could make a statement that would be correct about "all Christians". Originally Posted by Scribe

Christianity isn't Catholicism. You do understand that ,right? Again, find me a fucking passage that shows where this is condoned. OTOH, list the numerous ones in the Koran that does allow murder.

Also, with regards to the Crusades, you DO realize that the Crusades were in reponse to Jihadism and Muslim invasions, right? By the time the Crusades had begun, Muslims had taken over a large percent of the Christ-centered nations.

And seriously? You think that subjugation of women, killing of gays, decapitations, etc etc is a small part? Wrong. Countries like Qutar, Saudi Arabia and other nations have established a theocracy which doesn't seperate church and state and DOES allow the legal act of said things. Your problem here is that you are basing all of your bullshit talk from a purely theoretical standpoint. I'm basing them off of the fact that people are treated like shit in the Middle East because their faith says so.

You say only a small group? Explain history then. Explain why so many wars have happened in the name of Islam. Explain why theocracies exist. Explain why people are literally killed for leaving the faith. Explain why women can't drive, get a job, can get raped, and so on. These are not some fringe group of radicals. These are people following Sharia law and it is not a minority as you want it to be.

And I'm as bad as they are? Really? That's your ultimate moral equivalency? I'm willing to take a polygraph right now and prove that I didn't chop off heads. Or mutilate women. Or rape children. Or burn people alive. Or take part in an action to subjugate people.

And again, I'm not judging an entire group, Hillary. That is your straw man and only you're beating it because you don't want to pull your head out of your own ass and actually see what is happening now and what has happened for the better part of 1500 years. I'm saying a religion is evil.

Guess what? Nazism is evil. So is Communism. It's perfectly okay to call something evil for what it is. An evil idea is an evil idea. Get that through your head, libtard.

The brunt of your argument has been "No, it's not. No, it's not." yet you ignore the fact that no other belief system in teh world has the body count that Islam has. No other system has a theocracy, like Islam. No other belief system has a set of laws that is purely discriminatory. No other religion has been at the center of as many wars as Islam.

Right now, you are ignoring reality and constantly playing the hypothetical game.

Islam is evil. You don't have to be a Christian to say that, a Jew, a Catholic. You just need to read the Koran, look at history, and see what's happening in the world because of Islam.

And you have done none of these. What you are doing, however, is trying to sound morally superior by attempting to be "accepting." Fuck that. Islam is shit.

You do realize that, literally everything you just put up is largely irrelevent, due to the fact that Islam has been at war with literally everyone, right? And that throughout history, they've been doing just what I say they've been doing : which is to subjugate nations and chop off the heads of those who don't submit to Allah. You do realize that this is far from just one battle, but an edict for force others into converting to Islam.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pa.../violence.aspx

One battle, you say? Complete and utter bullshit. Muhommed was a pedophile terrorist. And he DID call to subjugate nations.

And if you think Islam is so fucking peaceful, why the fuck is the Middle East in such turmoil BECAUSE of Sharia law? Why hasn't there been peace there in the past 2000 years? Why have Jihadists been at the center of so many major wars and skirmishes? You wonder why Jefferson bought a Koran? it wasn't to respect the religion of Islam. It was to know who his enemy is ,because even during the hayday of our country, we were at war with Islamic pirates. You keep saying "It's peaceful, it's peaceful" yet I see nothing but chaos and destruction whenever Islam is involved. So, yes. Islam is an evil fucking religion. Go read the fucking link. Originally Posted by Aoi

You just don't get it pal- no wonder why there's a recent poll where 70 percent of those poll have an unfavorable view of Trump - good to know most Americans can spot a lying POS and it's not surprising that you follow the loser.

Islam is evil. You don't have to be a Christian to say that, a Jew, a Catholic. You just need to read the Koran, look at history, and see what's happening in the world because of Islam.

And you have done none of these. What you are doing, however, is trying to sound morally superior by attempting to be "accepting." Fuck that. Islam is shit. Originally Posted by Aoi

Really simply:

1. Re-read my texts. (anyone). I never defend any atrocity - they're all bad. I just point out statistically, Christianity has been behind as many bad acts (and I don't hear you coming out against Christianity... where I have been clearly against ALL organized religion as an impetus for acts of violence.)
2. No, I'm not "morally superior". I am an imperfect person and a sinner. I am more logical, better read, and present a better argument than you do because you jump around the page too much - and when confronted with valid information run back to screaming hatred.
3. I just refuse to spew hatred - which says nothing of my morality. The fact that you do however, proves emphatically that you are not a Christian...
4. However, if you are a Christian - It does make another fun point by your own writings.. if you (Aoi) can be a Christian and not abide by the tenants of your own faith, then what on earth makes you think that all Muslims abide theirs?

I mean - let me take your side (as weird as it is) for a moment. Do you really think every Christian is doing everything they should every moment as a Christian just because the BIBLE tells them to do it? So, in kind - what pinheaded, micro-witted, concept in your brain really believes the majority of Muslims are going to do the outrageously weird radical things you point to in the Quran?

Is it really impossible for you to rationalize that (as with Christians ignoring just the minor tenants of Christianity the Bible requires in todays secular world) its logically possible that most Muslims want to just get up, feed their families, do their job, and go to bed?

There are radical Christians who have done shit.
These are radical Muslims doing these acts.
(You never hear of anything else because its not "news worthy"..)

But lets ask some more questions in closing: Are you really this deranged and adamant about your beliefs and hatred?... because this is exactly the kind of deranged crap that Mateen was spouting before he went off the deep end.

Please expand on your feelings on the Japanese, Mexicans, Canadians, Germans, Italians, English, etc... as all of these have historically been engaged in actively killing U.S. citizens at one point or another.

And the most important question, Aoi.... Is this type of uncontrolled rage and anger really the type of text you want to write down here on a place where Providers are getting a glimpse of your personality? Because anyone who gets as upset as you are over any topic, I would personally steer clear of because they could snap at a session.

This is my last post on this topic. Again, (trying to bring this thread back to topic) it was horrible what happened in Orlando - and our hearts and prayers go out to the families involved. Hatred is evil, in all its forms - and it won't ever go away until there is no religious justification for hating another human-being, regardless.

I misspoke. Donald Trumpsbt a racist. He's a racist, a bigot, a xenophobe, and an irredeemable misogynist. He's not just a racist. He's also an inveterate liar.

I don't have time to look up all his outrageous remarks of various stripes, but here are a few lists since some of you are apparently incapable of recognizing racism on your own and don't know how to use Google.



http://www.salon.com/2016/03/15/lets...p_is_a_racist/

http://presidential-candidates.insid...d-trump-quotes

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b03260bf777e83

http://www.marieclaire.co.uk/blogs/5...mp-quotes.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...9eb_story.html

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/12/...president.html

You just don't get it pal- no wonder why there's a recent poll where 70 percent of those poll have an unfavorable view of Trump - good to know most Americans can spot a lying POS and it's not surprising that you follow the loser. Originally Posted by Luke_Wyatt

The loser? The last time I checked, he won the primaries with overwhelming numbers and the most number of votes, ever in a GOP primaries.

You know who has an unfavorable view of Trump? Sissy people whose feelings get hurt. And the overwhelming majority of those that dislike him haven't even heard what he said. They, instead, cherrypick what the media tells them, and have their opinion influenced by them. It's telling when NBC started the entire "Donald Trump thinks Mexicans are racist" without actually showing the entire clip. Of course that's what liberal media does.

Congrats. You are a lemming.

Citizens, persons. doesn't matter. It means people who live here legally.

Bottom line, if you're an immigrant living here illegally or if you're a migrant trying to get it, you don't get the privileges we have. Originally Posted by Aoi

Aoi, I know you have no interest in the real facts as your posts make clear that you love to wallow in prejudice and ignorance. But for those bystanders who are actually interested in what the law is, here is a short piece written for lay persons what lays out pretty clearly why you are completely wrong. Non-citizens do enjoy many rights under our laws and Constitution just as our citizens enjoy many rights under the laws and constitutions of other countries when we are abroad, legally or otherwise.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blo...utional-rights

The loser? The last time I checked, he won the primaries with overwhelming numbers and the most number of votes, ever in a GOP primaries.

You know who has an unfavorable view of Trump? Sissy people whose feelings get hurt. And the overwhelming majority of those that dislike him haven't even heard what he said. They, instead, cherrypick what the media tells them, and have their opinion influenced by them. It's telling when NBC started the entire "Donald Trump thinks Mexicans are racist" without actually showing the entire clip. Of course that's what liberal media does.

Congrats. You are a lemming. Originally Posted by Aoi

Who has an unfavorable view of Mein Coif, er Trump? Tens of millions of voters. Hillary is up 11.6-14 points in the polls, and in the Bloomburg poll yesterday, fully 55% of the respondents said they would never vote for him.

Really simply:

1. Re-read my texts. (anyone). I never defend any atrocity - they're all bad. I just point out statistically, Christianity has been behind as many bad acts (and I don't hear you coming out against Christianity... where I have been clearly against ALL organized religion as an impetus for acts of violence.)
   

Originally Posted by Scribe

1. You listed the Crusades, which had happened over a thousand years ago. And even then, the Crusades was in response to Muslims who tried to take over EU/Christian lands and/or taking back territory. You don't get to say that the people fighting a defensive war is committing violence when they were the victims in the first place. That would be like a victim shooting a rapist and then the rapist saying that the victim was commiting violence. That is not how it works. You say all organized religions are bad, yet you still cannot find me one quote where Jesus, the central figure of Christianity, condones the murder of people who don't believe. OTOH, Muhommed has more than enough to cover up Jesus' lack of violent rheotric.
   
   
   

2. No, I'm not "morally superior". I am an imperfect person and a sinner. I am more logical, better read, and present a better argument than you do because you jump around the page too much - and when confronted with valid information run back to screaming hatred. No, you are not morally superior. I said you are trying to sound. Not are. Big difference. No, you are trying to put up this moral postulating by insisting that Christianity and Muslim are morally equivalent and that it's only the people who make it bad. Again, I ask you, when the fuck did Jesus, ever say it was okay for people to chop off the heads of those who do not agree, or to subjugate entire nations? You want to know why the "Extremists" as you say are so extreme? Because the religion is extreme. You haven't touched upon this at all. You are not logical, you are not better read and you have yet to present an argument to counter the entire thousand fucking YEARS of discrimination, violence and bigotry that only Islam has shown. What you are doing is saying that because it is an organized religion, it is all bad. Again, when. did. Jesus. say. to. cut. off. heads? You are hugely inept of seeing the facts as they are presented to you, both historically and events that are happening NOW.
   
   You want to know the difference between "Christians" commiting atrocities and a Muslim doing it? The guy who claims to be a Christian and is doing shitty things is doing so because he is a moron ass hole. You want to know why a Muslim does it? Because his RELIGION TELLS HIM TO.
   
   
   

3. I just refuse to spew hatred - which says nothing of my morality. The fact that you do however, proves emphatically that you are not a Christian...
4. However, if you are a Christian - It does make another fun point by your own writings.. if you (Aoi) can be a Christian and not abide by the tenants of your own faith, then what on earth makes you think that all Muslims abide theirs? There's nothing hateful about saying an idea or a belief system is bad. Nazism is bad. Communism is bad. Racism is bad. Sexism is bad. Bad beliefs are bad beliefs. You cannot say Islam is a morally neutral belief when the scripture tells people to do violent things and people have actually done bad things. As for whether or not you want to acknowledge my Christianity, I really don't give two shits. Your approval of my Christianity doesn't mean shit because you don't know me and you never will, so spare me your horse shit.
   
   I love how you're trying to make this about a moral equivalency between me and Islam. Really? I can say with 10000 percent certainty that I have never decapitated anyone, raped anyone, tortured anyone, burned anyone alive, and so on.
   
   You want to know the difference between a Christian not abiding by everything that Jesus said and a Muslim not following everything Muhommed said? A Christian extremist will die for his belief because that's what Jesus did. A Muslim will kill and terrorize people because that's what Muhommed did and commanded.
   
   

I mean - let me take your side (as weird as it is) for a moment. Do you really think every Christian is doing everything they should every moment as a Christian just because the BIBLE tells them to do it? So, in kind - what pinheaded, micro-witted, concept in your brain really believes the majority of Muslims are going to do the outrageously weird radical things you point to in the Quran?

If every Christian is doing everything that the Bible, specifically, Jesus, told them to do, they would be going to mission fields, preaching the Gospel, living a pious life of minimalism and ultimately dying for their faith. If every Muslim did everything that the Quran told them to, you know what they would be doing? Terrorizing. Subjugating. Raping. Murdering. Pillaging, Discriminating. You want proof? Look what's going on in the ME right now. That's not Islam extremism. That's Islam. You think only ISIS go around chopping off their own daughters head for suspected impurity? You think only ISIS tosses gays off buildings? No.

You continuing to insist that both religions are on some neutral ground is hilariously idiotic, unresearched and devoid of facts and empiricism.

Is it really impossible for you to rationalize that (as with Christians ignoring just the minor tenants of Christianity the Bible requires in todays secular world) its logically possible that most Muslims want to just get up, feed their families, do their job, and go to bed?

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Most Muslims? Take a look at the Middle East, where the majority of Muslims are. The majority of them want Sharia law to be the absolute law of the land. And by Sharia law, that means women can't work, can't drive, can't go out in public without their husbands approval. If a woman is raped, she must find 4 witnesses to corraborate her story. And so on and so on. This has nothing to do with the every day life of a Muslim. This has to do with an evil belief system that has done nothing but cause shit and turmoil for everyone it tries to confront. Again, you repeatedly ignore this and try to drum up some straw man Muslim. I'm not attacking Muslims. I'm talking about a religion that is toxic in nature.

There are radical Christians who have done shit.

People who do shitty things are not Christians. They are ass holes who use Christianity as a tool. Want proof? Jesus would never condone violent acts. No Christian who has even heard Jesus' last words would have a leg to stand on to justify their acts.

These are radical Muslims doing these acts.

Muslims doing these acts do so because their faith commands it. A Muslim who is asked why he chopped off that child's head simply needs to cite their Hadeeth.

Do you see the fucking difference now?

(You never hear of anything else because its not "news worthy"..)

Tell me when a Christian shoots up a gay night club.

But lets ask some more questions in closing: Are you really this deranged and adamant about your beliefs and hatred?... because this is exactly the kind of deranged crap that Mateen was spouting before he went off the deep end.

Calling someone's argument "hatred" is just an attempt to demonize their argument and to end the conversation. You need to stop trying to do that. Mateen was also full of self loathing because he was gay and oh, yeah. HIS RELIGION TELLS HIM THAT ITS BAD. So, it was religiously inspired.

But I'll tell you what. If I ever decide that I hated someone so much that I'll shoot up a club, I'll leave a message on the wall saying you were right. You'll be waiting for a while though.

Please expand on your feelings on the Japanese, Mexicans, Canadians, Germans, Italians, English, etc... as all of these have historically been engaged in actively killing U.S. citizens at one point or another.

Were they doing so because of religion? No.

And the most important question, Aoi.... Is this type of uncontrolled rage and anger really the type of text you want to write down here on a place where Providers are getting a glimpse of your personality? Because anyone who gets as upset as you are over any topic, I would personally steer clear of because they could snap at a session.

Nothing I said is uncontrolled rage and anger. Nothing I said is hateful. I am merely pointing out the facts, albeit aggressively. All of my points are well-thought out and actually backed up by facts. Compare this to your dumbass , hypothetical, morally relevant view of the world and I'd be surprised that a provider would see you based on your lack of a brain.

This is my last post on this topic. Again, (trying to bring this thread back to topic) it was horrible what happened in Orlando - and our hearts and prayers go out to the families involved. Hatred is evil, in all its forms - and it won't ever go away until there is no religious justification for hating another human-being, regardless.

There is religious justification. It's called Islam.

If a provider doesn't want to see me because I hate an evil system, so be it.

I use P411 anyways.