A proivider telling the world that a client
has a small penis, what a bitch.
Men don't go around broadcasting
that her pussy was loose,
correct me if I am wrong. I haven't
seen it on eccie.
Mean ass ppl in the world.
- siberia
- 01-15-2015, 03:30 AM
- Wakeup
- 01-15-2015, 06:47 AM
WU, you disappoint me, you're usually so observant.Ehat makes you think I missed that part? That I didn't respond to it? Shit...if I responded every time someone tried to insult me, I'd have no time to respond to the things I want to respond to...everyone has a right to their opinions, no matter how obviously inapplicable their metaphors are...
Did you miss the part where you were compared to the jackal, a scavenger iterating to most of the creatures on this planet? Somehow not so amazing. Originally Posted by H.Hardhat
- Guest030816
- 01-15-2015, 08:33 AM
- Fancyinheels
- 01-15-2015, 11:48 AM
Originally Posted by Fancyinheels 
That is a perfectly legitimate, polite question, asking about specials. I get such requests frequently, and am happy to respond. Most of the time there is a Fancy package that will suit the gentleman. Human nature to seek out the best value for the hard-earned buck.
That is not haggling. Haggling is when, right off the bat, someone names the price that HE is willing to pay for whatever reason, even if nowhere close to the stated amount, and insinuates that the service or product is only worth what he is willing to shell out.No, that is being insulting. Haggling is "to dispute or bargain persistently" your rate down to increments of less than $5 during negotiation. That would be haggling.
Haggling is also when a guy arrives after booking a much longer amount of time and then wants to whittle his appointment down to however much cash he brought with him, usually far short of what he agreed upon originally.No, that is being a broke ass piece of shit who needs to be chasing streetwalkers but targets low hanging fruit in hope of success. He shouldn't pass screening if he does this as an MO. But not haggling!
In the Hobby, both are disrespectful,Yes but in totally different ways. The first may be insulting but is easy for you to not have an interest and just say no," I am not interested in what your offering, I consider it an insult" and go on. If you open the door to negotiations than so be it. He has succeeded in step one. If you practice "positional bargaining" he may resort to haggling. The second is a low life opportunistic, scum bag who has entered into an agreement which was assumed to be in good faith and then at closing changed the terms negating the agreement. (I hate to say it but this happens in real estate all the time,) But, in your case, it is not haggling, haggling would be to have the full donation in his pocket and upon inspecting the goods at his arrival, then attempting to reach a new price where he feels he is not being taken advantage of by paying more than he feels is fair. If he failed to have the donation in full than he is just a scumbag who saw an opportunity and tried to see if you would go for it. He not only wasted his time but took advantage of yours. I would assume this would be a very demeaning experience but it is NOT haggling.
I would guess you would go on a tantrum when either of these scenarios occurs, Just like the executive who runs over his minutes, when you control the clock, then does not offer to pay the overtime. His failure to mention the cost of the overrun is disrespectful, his failure to tip is a rude discourtesy, yet many mongers only bring the donation and nothing else, it is the gentleman who has a tip stashed in his pocket to reward above and beyond service. He certainly would not be considered a haggler and nor should he be accused of trying to control you as stated in an earlier post. NONE of these are hagglers. and the second is no different than shorting the lady.You certainly were used in the later situation especially if you had to drive from another location, prepare the incall and yourself just to have someone want to change the allotted time to meet his expendable budget but it is not haggling She put aside that specific amount of time for the fellow when she might (key word might) have accepted another reservation. If you didn't need the money you should have sent him packing, called him out by name and black listed him. What did you do? Take what money he had, adjust time and activities proportionately, sent him happily on his way, and then whine about it in a way that makes him look like he stole pussy from you. Did he write a review?
"Appears from this thread that haggling, negotiating, and asking about specials is all being talked about in the same breath, and they shouldn't be. Three different sentences in a larger paragraph."
Want me not to be insulted when fellows haggle/negotiate/ask about specials? As I've indicated, completely depends on my perception of how they are presenting their desires, so my reaction will differ from person to person.
Want me to be polite? I am ALWAYS polite when communicating with gentlemen who contact me, even though I may not take them up on their offers. If they are rude, inappropriate, or demeaning, I simply do not respond at all.
Want me to abandon my Irish pride when I need money? Again, never had to, because, thank St. Patrick and the leprechauns, I've never been that desperate. Just lucky, I guess. I'll deal with it when it happens.
Have I turned fellows away when they showed up and wanted to change the parameters, or did I cave and go ahead? "Take what money he had, adjust time and activities proportionately, sent him happily on his way, and then whine about it in a way that makes him look like he stole pussy from you. Did he write a review?" You really don't know much about me. I have NEVER complained about a review, because I've never had to. If gentlemen will advise me prior to arrival that they have to make some changes in the playbook, I am more than happy to accommodate them, but not after they arrive, as that, IMNSHO, is a power play. Fortunately, for me that has been an extremely rare happenstance. Seems to occur more to ladies new in the profession who are still finding their feet. (Exception: I am more adjustable with regulars, as we have an established relationship of give and take with rules not set in stone, and I know that circumstances happen beyond anyone's control, so I can be flexible, oh, so flexible.
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I understand your points and even agree with some of them. Is that satisfactory?
That is a perfectly legitimate, polite question, asking about specials. I get such requests frequently, and am happy to respond. Most of the time there is a Fancy package that will suit the gentleman. Human nature to seek out the best value for the hard-earned buck.
That is not haggling. Haggling is when, right off the bat, someone names the price that HE is willing to pay for whatever reason, even if nowhere close to the stated amount, and insinuates that the service or product is only worth what he is willing to shell out.No, that is being insulting. Haggling is "to dispute or bargain persistently" your rate down to increments of less than $5 during negotiation. That would be haggling.
Haggling is also when a guy arrives after booking a much longer amount of time and then wants to whittle his appointment down to however much cash he brought with him, usually far short of what he agreed upon originally.No, that is being a broke ass piece of shit who needs to be chasing streetwalkers but targets low hanging fruit in hope of success. He shouldn't pass screening if he does this as an MO. But not haggling!
In the Hobby, both are disrespectful,Yes but in totally different ways. The first may be insulting but is easy for you to not have an interest and just say no," I am not interested in what your offering, I consider it an insult" and go on. If you open the door to negotiations than so be it. He has succeeded in step one. If you practice "positional bargaining" he may resort to haggling. The second is a low life opportunistic, scum bag who has entered into an agreement which was assumed to be in good faith and then at closing changed the terms negating the agreement. (I hate to say it but this happens in real estate all the time,) But, in your case, it is not haggling, haggling would be to have the full donation in his pocket and upon inspecting the goods at his arrival, then attempting to reach a new price where he feels he is not being taken advantage of by paying more than he feels is fair. If he failed to have the donation in full than he is just a scumbag who saw an opportunity and tried to see if you would go for it. He not only wasted his time but took advantage of yours. I would assume this would be a very demeaning experience but it is NOT haggling.
I would guess you would go on a tantrum when either of these scenarios occurs, Just like the executive who runs over his minutes, when you control the clock, then does not offer to pay the overtime. His failure to mention the cost of the overrun is disrespectful, his failure to tip is a rude discourtesy, yet many mongers only bring the donation and nothing else, it is the gentleman who has a tip stashed in his pocket to reward above and beyond service. He certainly would not be considered a haggler and nor should he be accused of trying to control you as stated in an earlier post. NONE of these are hagglers. and the second is no different than shorting the lady.You certainly were used in the later situation especially if you had to drive from another location, prepare the incall and yourself just to have someone want to change the allotted time to meet his expendable budget but it is not haggling She put aside that specific amount of time for the fellow when she might (key word might) have accepted another reservation. If you didn't need the money you should have sent him packing, called him out by name and black listed him. What did you do? Take what money he had, adjust time and activities proportionately, sent him happily on his way, and then whine about it in a way that makes him look like he stole pussy from you. Did he write a review?
"Appears from this thread that haggling, negotiating, and asking about specials is all being talked about in the same breath, and they shouldn't be. Three different sentences in a larger paragraph."
.What kind of concession exactly do you want from me, darlin, since you seem to keep coming back to my comments?
Haggling an assertive form of negotiating that is persistent, sometimes crude, form of positional bargaining. Often the parties will never do business again and if they do they will be even more relentless. They are just pounding out the cost and the terms not dealing with much else. Negotiation is normally dealing with several different aspects of a business arrangement. While rewarding stubbornness and deception often times negotiation requires the parties to work together over long periods of time and over many issues and therefor are done in more civilized terms. Both haggling and negotiating require both parties to have a goal of reaching an agreement. Failing to reach an agreement means that no money changes hands. I prefer a joint problem solving approach to negotiating, a purposeful, meaningful approach to solving problems. It is more difficult but reaps better results in resolving issues. Asking about specials, in the hobby, is purely information gathering to source what the monger wants and needs where he can get the most for his money. In this business as in most it costs more to get a customer to do business with you the first time and often at a lower margin, but if he returns the cost of doing business is less and the client's buying defenses are certainly lowered, allowing selling of additional hours, fetish services, or more regular sessions. Asking about specials is asking for a reason to come see you over another hooker. he does not know anything about you except what he can learn through reviews, ads, and reading your opinions in posts such as this. maybe your first question should be "why are you looking for in a session? by asking about specials are you on a budget? What do you really want offered in a special. Maybe we can work something out as I like the way you think. May I get some initial information from you?" Screen him and then decide how badly you want his business
Appears from this thread that haggling, negotiating, and asking about specials is all being talked about in the same breath, and they shouldn't be.
I think you need to understand that haggling is a form of negotiation and both can be done in a civil or as a rude, confrontational manner, sometimes you must have a combination of both to unlock what you really need to know to strike a deal. I personally feel that information gathering) asking about specials) is not rude in the hobby. If I was in Houston (Very rare for me) and had to adhere to a strict budget in able to not be questioned by my S.O. and really wanted to see for example XYZ provider yet I was $50 shy of her stated donation, I would at least approach her with the idea of seeing me at a reduced rate even if I had to agree to have to accept less activities or a slightly shorter time than is offered in a normal session, and seeing what response I received. I do not feel that I am being disrespectful by explaining my situation and asking for any concession she found acceptable. I certainly an not haggling, I am not negotiating although it may require some form to reach an arrangement. Such as a bottle of her favorite wine that would be easily explained to the S.O. I am simply asking for the opportunity to be considered utilizing the tools I have access to at the moment.
I am going to make a quote with permission and then tell it haw I see it, than I hope you like lyrics.
I believe Caroline Davenport said if best
"All that being said, I'd never let pride get in the way of my well being or my bottom line. If I needed $200, and someone offered me $200, you'd best believe I'd take it in a heartbeat and count my lucky stars. The need just hasn't arisen yet."
I will state it in my own way;She doe's not deviate from her stated rate because she does not have to. She have worked hard, developed a good customer base that builds from within via marketing yet without large amounts of advertising specials, and have reached a point where she does not have cash flow concerns. If she was $200 short of meeting obligations such as payroll, for her highly regarded assistant, and an offer was made of $200, she would accept the $200 but she is not there and does not intend to ever be again.
Even the best in the business understand the importance of cash flow.
And she said, "We must get together"
But I knew it'd never be arranged
Then she handed me twenty dollars for a two-fifty fare
She said, "Harry, keep the change"
Well another man might have been angry
And another man might have been hurt
But another man never would have let her go
I stashed the bill in my shirt.
Originally Posted by RandB fan
Want me not to be insulted when fellows haggle/negotiate/ask about specials? As I've indicated, completely depends on my perception of how they are presenting their desires, so my reaction will differ from person to person.
Want me to be polite? I am ALWAYS polite when communicating with gentlemen who contact me, even though I may not take them up on their offers. If they are rude, inappropriate, or demeaning, I simply do not respond at all.
Want me to abandon my Irish pride when I need money? Again, never had to, because, thank St. Patrick and the leprechauns, I've never been that desperate. Just lucky, I guess. I'll deal with it when it happens.
Have I turned fellows away when they showed up and wanted to change the parameters, or did I cave and go ahead? "Take what money he had, adjust time and activities proportionately, sent him happily on his way, and then whine about it in a way that makes him look like he stole pussy from you. Did he write a review?" You really don't know much about me. I have NEVER complained about a review, because I've never had to. If gentlemen will advise me prior to arrival that they have to make some changes in the playbook, I am more than happy to accommodate them, but not after they arrive, as that, IMNSHO, is a power play. Fortunately, for me that has been an extremely rare happenstance. Seems to occur more to ladies new in the profession who are still finding their feet. (Exception: I am more adjustable with regulars, as we have an established relationship of give and take with rules not set in stone, and I know that circumstances happen beyond anyone's control, so I can be flexible, oh, so flexible.
) I understand your points and even agree with some of them. Is that satisfactory?
- algrace
- 02-15-2015, 07:45 AM
On rate & communication
If not specified by the provider, rates on a provider's website, her recent ads posted, and reviews speak for how much one should bring. Most would ask, so as to avoid being caught off guard with a rate hike. Good providers ensure the amount & session length are known in advance so there are no surprises.
If she quotes 300 and the ad used to attract interest which generated inquiry references a special that isn't mentioned or asked for by the gentleman caller, she is due 300.
On discounting
I have had no issues asking about a review special if she has had no recent reviews. Worst case she declined. I always followed through with reviews. Now that I'm on break from providers, I will boast that the vast majority of my reviews have had 500 views within 24 hours and hit 1000 by 72. The ROI from a review special can be lucrative, but I didn't expect every provider to accept.
Sometimes even a small personal gift in addition to the honorarium sets up the opposite effect. The affections of a lady's appreciation have been worthwhile.
If not specified by the provider, rates on a provider's website, her recent ads posted, and reviews speak for how much one should bring. Most would ask, so as to avoid being caught off guard with a rate hike. Good providers ensure the amount & session length are known in advance so there are no surprises.
If she quotes 300 and the ad used to attract interest which generated inquiry references a special that isn't mentioned or asked for by the gentleman caller, she is due 300.
On discounting
I have had no issues asking about a review special if she has had no recent reviews. Worst case she declined. I always followed through with reviews. Now that I'm on break from providers, I will boast that the vast majority of my reviews have had 500 views within 24 hours and hit 1000 by 72. The ROI from a review special can be lucrative, but I didn't expect every provider to accept.
I can't imagine the session would be all that good/GFE after beating the girl down on her rate----I wouldn't expect the girl to be too motivated to put a real effort in the session. Originally Posted by CivilBarrister
I'm sure that if I were trying to get a lesser price there would certainly be the risk of receiving lesser service. A risk I'm not willing to take. Why would anyone give you their best performance after you've just insulted them by paying a reduced price. Originally Posted by H.Hardhat
Sometimes even a small personal gift in addition to the honorarium sets up the opposite effect. The affections of a lady's appreciation have been worthwhile.