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Where is the proof that social distancing reduced the spread. Just like the flu has at times been very bad then it subsides without closing the economy.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/nobel-...t%20270%20days Originally Posted by Ranger Dog
The Blaze?

Lol! That’s pretty funny in itself......you need an aluminum foil hat to wear while reading that site?


elg.......
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The Blaze?

Lol! That’s pretty funny in itself......you need an aluminum foil hat to wear while reading that site?


elg....... Originally Posted by elghund





The data is in — stop the panic and end the total isolation

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthca...otal-isolation


By Dr. Scott W. Atlas, Opinion Contributor — 04/22/20 12:30 PM EDT 15,806 The views expressed by contributors are their own and not the view of The Hill



The tragedy of the COVID-19 pandemic appears to be entering the containment phase. Tens of thousands of Americans have died, and Americans are now desperate for sensible policymakers who have the courage to ignore the panic and rely on facts. Leaders must examine accumulated data to see what has actually happened, rather than keep emphasizing hypothetical projections; combine that empirical evidence with fundamental principles of biology established for decades; and then thoughtfully restore the country to function.


Five key facts are being ignored by those calling for continuing the near-total lockdown.


Fact 1: The overwhelming majority of people do not have any significant risk of dying from COVID-19.



The recent Stanford University antibody study now estimates that the fatality rate if infected is likely 0.1 to 0.2 percent, a risk far lower than previous World Health Organization estimates that were 20 to 30 times higher and that motivated isolation policies.



In New York City, an epicenter of the pandemic with more than one-third of all U.S. deaths, the rate of death for people 18 to 45 years old is 0.01 percent, or 10 per 100,000 in the population. On the other hand, people aged 75 and over have a death rate 80 times that. For people under 18 years old, the rate of death is zero per 100,000.



Of all fatal cases in New York state, two-thirds were in patients over 70 years of age; more than 95 percent were over 50 years of age; and about 90 percent of all fatal cases had an underlying illness. Of 6,570 confirmed COVID-19 deaths fully investigated for underlying conditions to date, 6,520, or 99.2 percent, had an underlying illness. If you do not already have an underlying chronic condition, your chances of dying are small, regardless of age. And young adults and children in normal health have almost no risk of any serious illness from COVID-19.


Fact 2: Protecting older, at-risk people eliminates hospital overcrowding.


We can learn about hospital utilization from data from New York City, the hotbed of COVID-19 with more than 34,600 hospitalizations to date. For those under 18 years of age, hospitalization from the virus is 0.01 percent, or 11 per 100,000 people; for those 18 to 44 years old, hospitalization is 0.1 percent. Even for people ages 65 to 74, only 1.7 percent were hospitalized. Of 4,103 confirmed COVID-19 patients with symptoms bad enough to seek medical care, Dr. Leora Horwitz of NYU Medical Center concluded "age is far and away the strongest risk factor for hospitalization." Even early WHO reports noted that 80 percent of all cases were mild, and more recent studies show a far more widespread rate of infection and lower rate of serious illness. Half of all people testing positive for infection have no symptoms at all. The vast majority of younger, otherwise healthy people do not need significant medical care if they catch this infection.


Fact 3: Vital population immunity is prevented by total isolation policies, prolonging the problem.


We know from decades of medical science that infection itself allows people to generate an immune response — antibodies — so that the infection is controlled throughout the population by “herd immunity.” Indeed, that is the main purpose of widespread immunization in other viral diseases — to assist with population immunity. In this virus, we know that medical care is not even necessary for the vast majority of people who are infected. It is so mild that half of infected people are asymptomatic, shown in early data from the Diamond Princess ship, and then in Iceland and Italy. That has been falselyportrayed as a problem requiring mass isolation. In fact, infected people without severe illness are the immediately available vehicle for establishing widespread immunity. By transmitting the virus to others in the low-risk group who then generate antibodies, they block the network of pathways toward the most vulnerable people, ultimately ending the threat. Extending whole-population isolation would directly prevent that widespread immunity from developing.


Fact 4: People are dying because other medical care is not getting done due to hypothetical projections.


Critical health care for millions of Americans is being ignored and people are dying to accommodate “potential” COVID-19 patients and for fear of spreading the disease. Most states and many hospitals abruptly stopped “nonessential” procedures and surgery. That prevented diagnoses of life-threatening diseases, like cancer screening, biopsies of tumors now undiscovered and potentially deadly brain aneurysms. Treatments, including emergency care, for the most serious illnesses were also missed. Cancer patients deferred chemotherapy. An estimated 80 percent of brain surgery cases were skipped. Acute stroke and heart attack patients missed their only chances for treatment, some dying and many now facing permanent disability.


Fact 5: We have a clearly defined population at risk who can be protected with targeted measures.



The overwhelming evidence all over the world consistently shows that a clearly defined group — older people and others with underlying conditions — is more likely to have a serious illness requiring hospitalization and more likely to die from COVID-19. Knowing that, it is a commonsense, achievable goal to target isolation policy to that group, including strictly monitoring those who interact with them. Nursing home residents, the highest risk, should be the most straightforward to systematically protect from infected people, given that they already live in confined places with highly restricted entry.


The appropriate policy, based on fundamental biology and the evidence already in hand, is to institute a more focused strategy like some outlined in the first place: Strictly protect the known vulnerable, self-isolate the mildly sick and open most workplaces and small businesses with some prudent large-group precautions. This would allow the essential socializing to generate immunity among those with minimal risk of serious consequence, while saving lives, preventing overcrowding of hospitals and limiting the enormous harms compounded by continued total isolation. Let’s stop underemphasizing empirical evidence while instead doubling down on hypothetical models. Facts matter.


Scott W. Atlas, MD, is the David and Joan Traitel Senior Fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution and the former chief of neuroradiology at Stanford University Medical Center.
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  • 05-04-2020, 04:59 PM
Of all fatal cases in New York state, two-thirds were in patients over 70 years of age; more than 95 percent were over 50 years of age; and about 90 percent of all fatal cases had an underlying illness. Of 6,570 confirmed COVID-19 deaths fully investigated for underlying conditions to date, 6,520, or 99.2 percent, had an underlying illness. If you do not already have an underlying chronic condition, your chances of dying are small, regardless of age. Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

How pro-life.
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How pro-life. Originally Posted by Doove

we've missed yous in the political forum Doove. yous remember the good old days yeah?

nah .. we don't miss yous.


BAHAHAAA
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Optimistically reviewed by those who subjugate other ethnicities gladly whew

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The data is in — stop the panic and end the total isolation

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthca...otal-isolation


By Dr. Scott W. Atlas, Opinion Contributor — 04/22/20 12:30 PM EDT 15,806 The views expressed by contributors are their own and not the view of The Hill Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid
Dumbo Donny our Flip-Flopper-in-Chief, went from, only a Hoax he has under control, to will end by Easter, to warm weather will make it go away like magic, to no more than 40K will die, to now no more than 73K will die! So much BS winning that only a full blown mindless trumptard cheerleader could swallow!......

Reopening states will cause 233,000 more people to die from coronavirus, according to Wharton model

New data from the University of Pennsylvania suggests that relaxing lockdowns across U.S. cities and states could have serious consequences for the country’s battle to contain the coronavirus, which has infected over a million people while killing more than 68,000 people.

According to the Penn Wharton Budget Model (PWBM), reopening states will result in an additional 233,000 deaths from the virus — even if states don’t reopen at all and with social distancing rules in place. This means that if the states were to reopen, 350,000 people in total would die from coronavirus by the end of June, the study found.

Kent Smetters, the PWBM’s director, said the decision to reopen states is ultimately a “normative judgement that comes down to the statistical value of life.”

He explained: “That’s not a crude way of saying we put a dollar value on life, but it’s the idea that people will take risks all the time for economic reward.”

That figure far surpasses estimates and models that the White House has cited from the University of Washington, which put the death toll at roughly 73,000 by the start of August.

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Dumbo Donny our Flip-Flopper-in-Chief, went from, only a Hoax he has under control, to will end by Easter, to warm weather will make it go away like magic, to no more than 40K will die, to now no more than 73K will die! So much BS winning that only a full blown mindless trumptard cheerleader could swallow!......

Reopening states will cause 233,000 more people to die from coronavirus, according to Wharton model

New data from the University of Pennsylvania suggests that relaxing lockdowns across U.S. cities and states could have serious consequences for the country’s battle to contain the coronavirus, which has infected over a million people while killing more than 68,000 people.

According to the Penn Wharton Budget Model (PWBM), reopening states will result in an additional 233,000 deaths from the virus — even if states don’t reopen at all and with social distancing rules in place. This means that if the states were to reopen, 350,000 people in total would die from coronavirus by the end of June, the study found.

Kent Smetters, the PWBM’s director, said the decision to reopen states is ultimately a “normative judgement that comes down to the statistical value of life.”

He explained: “That’s not a crude way of saying we put a dollar value on life, but it’s the idea that people will take risks all the time for economic reward.”

That figure far surpasses estimates and models that the White House has cited from the University of Washington, which put the death toll at roughly 73,000 by the start of August.

Originally Posted by Zollner



maybe you've seen this is the local press ...


Dr. Fauci backed funding for controversial Wuhan lab studying origin of coronavirus



https://nypost.com/2020/04/29/dr-fau...g-coronavirus/






Dr. Anthony Fauci, a member of the coronavirus task force, had previously backed funding for a controversial lab in Wuhan, China, that has been studying the coronavirus in bats, reports said.


Fauci’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases had shelled out a total of $7.4 million to the Wuhan Institute of Virology lab — which has become the focus of theories about the origin of COVID-19, according to Newsweek.


The National Institutes of Health, which oversees the NIAID, shut down all funding to the lab last week.


“At this time, NIH does not believe that the current project outcomes align with the program goals and agency priorities,” a deputy director at the agency wrote in a letter obtained by Politico.


There is “increasing confidence” among officials in the Trump administration that the Wuhan Institute of Virology lab is the original site of the virus. A report by Fox News said embassy officials warned in January 2018 about inadequate safety there.


The NIH defended its funding of the lab in a statement to Newsweek.


“Most emerging human viruses come from wildlife, and these represent a significant threat to public health and biosecurity in the US and globally,” the statement read.


“Scientific research indicates that there is no evidence that suggests the virus was created in a laboratory.”




guess who was prez when this happened?








whew so much treason whew




"According to the Penn Wharton Budget Model (PWBM), reopening states will result in an additional 233,000 deaths from the virus — even if states don’t reopen at all and with social distancing rules in place. This means that if the states were to reopen, 350,000 people in total would die from coronavirus by the end of June, the study found."


WTF? so let's just stay shutdown and 330,000,000 will starve to death. yeah that makes sense right?


whew such stupidity whew
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maybe you've seen this is the local press ...


Dr. Fauci backed funding for controversial Wuhan lab studying origin of coronavirus



[URL]https://nypost.com/2020/04/29/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-studying-coronavirus/[/URL

guess who was prez when this happened?



whew so much treason whew Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid
Don't watch FAUX...LOL

Worried about Treason and Sedition??? Here's your boy!!!
So clear only a fool couldn't see....LOL



KGB man Putin is a Grand Master at Chess....while Dopey Don plays tiddlywinks....LOL

China is Putin's Patsy.
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Don't watch FAUX...LOL

Worried about Treason and Sedition??? Here's your boy!!!
So clear only a fool couldn't see....LOL



KGB man Putin is a Grand Master at Chess....while Dopey Don plays tiddlywinks....LOL

China is Putin's Patsy. Originally Posted by Zollner






whew such anger whew
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whew such anger whew Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid
Hey she DID WIN with 66 million votes. Double talking Don only got 63 million! Face it the SWAMP put trump in office NOT the people in the USA. As the Brits would say, "You Yanks got yourselves a Bastard President who wants to be king!....LOL

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Hey she DID WIN with 66 million votes. Double talking Don only got 63 million! Face it the SWAMP put trump in office NOT the people in the USA. As the Brits would say, "You Yanks got yourselves a Bastard President who wants to be king!....LOL

Originally Posted by Zollner





two words .. Electoral College



BAHHAAAA
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two words .. Electoral College



BAHHAAAA Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid
AKA The Swamp, which it was created for!

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AKA The Swamp, which it was created for!

Originally Posted by Zollner



whew much dumb whew



it was intended to keep yous upsetters from liberalizing America


and it's working
elghund's Avatar
whew much dumb whew



it was intended to keep yous upsetters from liberalizing America


and it's working Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid
Funny....your lack of knowledge.

If it was left to Upset NY, Trump is a lock to win. Downstate pushes the state blue.

Geography and demographics isn’t yer strong suit, eh?

elg......
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Funny....your lack of knowledge.

If it was left to Upset NY, Trump is a lock to win. Downstate pushes the state blue.

Geography and demographics isn’t yer strong suit, eh?

elg...... Originally Posted by elghund
Thanks for pointing out Upstate NY's one redeeming quality.👍