Evolution? Intelligent Design? God did it all in 7 days?

Joel Olsteen is a two bit huckster, writing his phony ass books on "how to be successful"

OK dipwad, try this. You take over a mega chrurch when your old man dies and just keep raking in the cash. That's how you really did it.

The truth is, old man Olsteen is probably rolling over in his grave. He was a fire breathing "your going straight to hell if you don't repent' pentacostal that built a ministry up on the upper east side of Houston by preying upon peoples insecurities.

Joel's accountants probably told him to "tone it down and go for the "River Oaks Crowd'. This 'let's all be good little boys and girls" pablum that he feeds to his flock every Sunday now would make his old man fume.

By the way. When the City of Houston could not afford the upkeep on the old Summit, (where the Rockets used to play), Joel just wrote them a check for it, then spent millions renevating the place.

Ain't God great. Originally Posted by Jackie S

yeah, no shit.... Olsteen (just like John Edward) just prey on people's fear and/or grief to become fat fucking rich..... they are both amazing con men... and pieces of shit also

Sorry EXNY, I responded before seeing your reply. Yours is better worded than mine. Originally Posted by Old-T

I don't think it will make a lick of difference with WE1911.

He will probably post something about how it is impossible for an eyeball to just appear overnight. Therefore evolution must be false.

I dunno. I've always liked to watch the religious megalomaniacs sell their wares on TV....it's an amusing phenomenom. Most are outright shitbags. But, Osteen is a positive dude. I get that he's trying to make money, but at least he leaves his audience with a positive message unlike so many of the religious hucksters. I like the dude.

Joel Olsteen is a two bit huckster, writing his phony ass books on "how to be successful"

OK dipwad, try this. You take over a mega chrurch when your old man dies and just keep raking in the cash. That's how you really did it.

The truth is, old man Olsteen is probably rolling over in his grave. He was a fire breathing "your going straight to hell if you don't repent' pentacostal that built a ministry up on the upper east side of Houston by preying upon peoples insecurities.

Joel's accountants probably told him to "tone it down and go for the "River Oaks Crowd'. This 'let's all be good little boys and girls" pablum that he feeds to his flock every Sunday now would make his old man fume.

By the way. When the City of Houston could not afford the upkeep on the old Summit, (where the Rockets used to play), Joel just wrote them a check for it, then spent millions renevating the place.

Ain't God great. Originally Posted by Jackie S

I dunno. I've always liked to watch the religious megalomaniacs sell their wares on TV....it's an amusing phenomenom. Most are outright shitbags. But, Osteen is a positive dude. I get that he's trying to make money, but at least he leaves his audience with a positive message unlike so many of the religious hucksters. I like the dude. Originally Posted by timpage

He's doing a lot more than "trying" to make money.
http://www.celebritynetworth.com/ric...een-net-worth/

Joel Osteen was born in Texas and has an estimated net worth of $40 million dollars. A pastor, author, and televangelist, Joel Osteen is the pastor of Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas. He took over his father's role as a pastor and televangelist, despite having very little formal religious training, in 1999. Since then, the Lakewood Church broadcast has grown exponentially and can be seen in 100 different countries.

You can't argue with his business sense though and growing his business.

IF, as evolutionists claim, the earth is billions of years old, and mankind has evolved from a lower and simpler form of life, then why has mankind gone from writing upon stones to laser printers in just the past 3,500 years



When God gave Moses the Ten Commandments, they were written upon stone. It is abundantly clear that the Egyptians carved messages into stone (hieroglyphics). So why is it that mankind has only discovered better inventions in the past few thousand years? If mankind had evolved, as evolutionists claim, then why didn't man discover ink a million years ago? Think about it. This is an astonishing thought--There were NO planes, cars, computers, refrigerators, electricity, lights, gas, powered-equipment, telephones, recording devices, CD players, MP3 players, electric razors, televisions, record players, movie cameras, or a million other modern technological inventions--just a mere 170 years ago. Civilization has advanced from utter primitiveness to incredible mind-boggling achievements in just a little over 100 years. So why didn't mankind discover any of this stuff 100,000,000 years ago, or 100,000 years ago for that matter?

Chromosome Count Proves Evolution is Wrong

There is no scientific evidence that a species can change the number of chromosomes within the DNA. The chromosome count within each species is fixed. This is the reason a male from one species cannot mate successfully with a female of another species. Man could not evolve from a monkey. Each species is locked into its chromosome count that cannot change. If an animal developed an extra chromosome or lost a chromosome because of some deformity, it could not successfully mate. The defect could not be passed along to the next generation. Evolving a new species is scientifically impossible

So Ex-Nyer, Old Timer and WTF- can you give me an example where a species ,mates with another species and forms something- again don't confuse this with like a horse mating with a Zebra or a Lion mating with a Tiger- give me an example of a species turning into another species- doesn't evolutionist states Birds became reptiles?

My favorite line from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: "Men thought they were smarter than dolphins because all dolphins did all day was play around in the ocean. Dolphins thought they were smarter than men for the very same reason."

Makes you think, doesn't it?

<<< Not a dolphin.

IF, as evolutionists claim, the earth is billions of years old, and mankind has evolved from a lower and simpler form of life, then why has mankind gone from writing upon stones to laser printers in just the past 3,500 years



When God gave Moses the Ten Commandments, they were written upon stone. It is abundantly clear that the Egyptians carved messages into stone (hieroglyphics). So why is it that mankind has only discovered better inventions in the past few thousand years? If mankind had evolved, as evolutionists claim, then why didn't man discover ink a million years ago? Think about it. This is an astonishing thought--There were NO planes, cars, computers, refrigerators, electricity, lights, gas, powered-equipment, telephones, recording devices, CD players, MP3 players, electric razors, televisions, record players, movie cameras, or a million other modern technological inventions--just a mere 170 years ago. Civilization has advanced from utter primitiveness to incredible mind-boggling achievements in just a little over 100 years. So why didn't mankind discover any of this stuff 100,000,000 years ago, or 100,000 years ago for that matter? Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

Just to get a couple details straight, most scientists accept that the earth is about 4.5 billion years old. And your question about why man hadn't invented modern technologies 100,000 or more years ago can be partially answered by the fact that modern man (cro-magnon) doesn't appear in the fossil record til about 45,00 years ago, plus or minus a couple thousand. Modern mans oldest drawings are found in a cave in southern France and date to as old as 32,900 years ago. The name of the cave is Chauvet and the drawings are incredible for a number of reasons. There is even what appears to be a proto-language.

The Bible places Mount Sinai in Arabia.

Two fascinating documentaries that attest to that claim.
Super interesting if you bother to watch.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEdpkdkjLf0

www.vimeo.com/39498729

The split rock and other things that they find around the mountain (in the second part
of the first video) will trip you out.

May I ask a question to the Bible believers here? If you believe the Bible, why are you here?

I am not a bible believer as you say it but I don't completely discount it. I can also say the same thing about evolution. It sounds good, but there are a lot of unanswered questions.

I suppose you're asking about the morality...well, the bible does talk about free will and mankind making a choice. Now if it was impossible to commit sin then where is the choice? Also, according to the new testament we are all forgiven especially if we repent sincerely. Hopefully I have time to repent but if I don't then I am already forgiven. Now if there is no god, heaven, or forgiveness then I am no better or worse off am I?

So Ex-Nyer, Old Timer and WTF- can you give me an example where a species ,mates with another species and forms something- again don't confuse this with like a horse mating with a Zebra or a Lion mating with a Tiger- give me an example of a species turning into another species- doesn't evolutionist states Birds became reptiles? Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

I said I did not believe in God. I do not believe "God" made all this. I did not say that evolution has all the answers.

You are mixing apples with oranges. Personally , it is above my pay grade. I do know that I quit believing in Santa Claus and never believed in God. God would not make children go to church on Sunday instead of playing out in the yard. I quit going as soon as my parents gave me a choice, at around 8. If you choose to believe in God, fine. There is no scientific evidence to back up that belief but I don't give a shit if that is what you believe. I do know that folks do not go to God when they are sick physically...well maybe the true believers do. That is to me the true believers...they leave life and death in the hands of their Lord...they do not run to a doctor ever time a snake bites them!

Plus, what God would make two moron like JD and COG. Those two fuc'er are two generations away from orangutans'!

May I ask a question to the Bible believers here? If you believe the Bible, why are you here? Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

My guess is reasonably priced good pussy!

IF, as evolutionists claim, the earth is billions of years old, and mankind has evolved from a lower and simpler form of life, then why has mankind gone from writing upon stones to laser printers in just the past 3,500 years



When God gave Moses the Ten Commandments, they were written upon stone. It is abundantly clear that the Egyptians carved messages into stone (hieroglyphics). So why is it that mankind has only discovered better inventions in the past few thousand years? If mankind had evolved, as evolutionists claim, then why didn't man discover ink a million years ago? Think about it. This is an astonishing thought--There were NO planes, cars, computers, refrigerators, electricity, lights, gas, powered-equipment, telephones, recording devices, CD players, MP3 players, electric razors, televisions, record players, movie cameras, or a million other modern technological inventions--just a mere 170 years ago. Civilization has advanced from utter primitiveness to incredible mind-boggling achievements in just a little over 100 years. So why didn't mankind discover any of this stuff 100,000,000 years ago, or 100,000 years ago for that matter? Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

Yes, the Egyptians did carve hieroglyphs on their monuments, but they also wrote on papyrus. 21st century Americans still inscribe their monuments made of stone, e.g., "Out of the Mountain of Despair, a Stone of Hope" (MLK monument dedicated in 2011).

Modern man, “Homo sapiens, is thought to have originated in Africa, where he reached anatomical modernity about 200,000 years ago and began to exhibit full behavioral modernity around 50,000 years ago” (wiki). Now before modern man could sit around on his couch reading his Sports Illustrated, he had to get beyond subsistence hunting and gathering (a full time – 24-7-365 – occupation), master agronomy and husbandry – which, btw, led to the discovery of beer the beverage of choice when reading Sports Illustrated – before developing cuneiform on clay tablets to record business transactions and inventories (evidently the first writers worked for capitalists for those on the left who continue to denounce capitalists and capitalism). Now if early man used wax (as the later Greeks did) at an earlier date, it’s understandable why those, if any, particular records have not survived.

The Egyptian hieroglyphs were all well and good for decorating monuments, but hieroglyphs weren’t flexible enough for mass communication as evidenced by the fact that scholars have been studying hieroglyphs for hundreds of years now, and there’s still much that they do not understand. Then along came the Phoenicians who developed an alphabet that Mediterranean peoples found convenient. The Greeks and the Etruscans (forebears of the Romans) adopted the Phoenician alphabet. By the time Gutenberg got around to integrating the technology necessary for the printing press in the 15th century, the Chinese were the first to employ moveable type btw, the European alphabet was a fairly simple group – 26 letters plus some variations: especially when it is compared with the over 4,000 characters used by the Chinese. So, as you can see, man’s writing skills also had to evolve for modern man to laze about on his couch reading his Sports Illustrated.

My favorite line from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: "Men thought they were smarter than dolphins because all dolphins did all day was play around in the ocean. Dolphins thought they were smarter than men for the very same reason."

Makes you think, doesn't it?

<<< Not a dolphin. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

+1 Now Douglas Adams wrote on paper, and it was a fine damn job he did!

My favorite line from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: "Men thought they were smarter than dolphins because all dolphins did all day was play around in the ocean. Dolphins thought they were smarter than men for the very same reason."

Makes you think, doesn't it?

<<< Not a dolphin. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

I saw a National Geographic documentary about a South American tribe. They hunted and gathered food a couple of hours a day and spent rest of their time socializing, taking naps and playing with their kids. It makes me wonder if our advanced western civilization is better or worse than the so called primitive ones.