Times are Hard

they (polititians) wont define "rich" because it serves as a talking point to divide .Nothing gets clearly defined so the rules can continuosly evolve.Liberals hate specifics as again, new rules always have to be enacted to serve the next purpose continually evolving. Originally Posted by JONBALLS

It depends on the context. But if the context is "who can afford to pay more in taxes when times are hard," I think $240,000/year is a good dividing line. Especially if the amount of "extra tax" is a modest 4.6%. If you make $20,000/month, you can chip in a little more. And I could even see tacking on another 5% at around $720,000 to 1,000,000/year.

It depends on the context. But if the context is "who can afford to pay more in taxes when times are hard," I think $240,000/year is a good dividing line. Especially if the amount of "extra tax" is a modest 4.6%. If you make $20,000/month, you can chip in a little more. And I could even see tacking on another 5% at around $720,000 to 1,000,000/year. Originally Posted by TexHomoHog

sure, makes sense for a socialist country without enumerated powers and respect for liberty and property rights.............

At least no more so than needing to juggle 2 jobs....to keep your 11 year old Dodge on the road, pay your rent on your 600 sq foot apartment, as you go without any paid vacation time, while juggling your bills to keep your electricity and your heat on....all the while living on canned food is...."being punished". Originally Posted by Doofus

that's high-living in Buffalo..............HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

Before you even rip these analogies apart (sure, they're flawed), the point I'm trying to make is, if you're in a BETTER POSITION TO DO SOMETHING, that others can't do or would struggle to do, what the f**k is so hard about doing it? You're in a position of greater responsibility, whether you got there by your own means or lucked into it or defaulted into it or whatever, YOU'RE THERE. Originally Posted by Rambra Creem

right out of the Communist Manifesto......you are un-American and should have your ass deported out of here.....you don't deserve to live here.....you worthless piece of shit......

"better position" for you means "willing to work a job"...others would struggle to get off their fat food-stamped ass and get a job?...why don't you just say what you really feel? you want to kill the rich, take all their money, rape their wives and torture their children..... how dare they have more than you! who cares if they work harder and smarter than you......

I have been a dishwasher, carpet installer, was enlisted in the military for 8 years as a med lab tech during the Vietnam war. I have sold newspapers, picked up soda bottles for cash, mowed lawns, short order cook at a fast food resteraunt, worked two jobs while going to college, worked as a handyman, installed sheet rock, house painting, sold enclyclopedias and vacumn cleaners door to door, cleaned cow shit out of barns, milked and herded cows, and lots of other jobs. I have worked since I was 12 years old (since my father died). I know what it is like to struggle to pay bills. I have never been on welfare, or taken food stamps even when my income was way below poverty level. I have been homeless, lived in a carpet warehouse with no shower for months, lived in converted garages, rented a patio room from an old lady for a place to sleep. There was a time for several years when I could not afford even a 600 square foot apartment. So I doubt there are many jobs out there I would not do because they pay very little money. You do what you must do to survive. The point is I have been there, and done that.
The point is, many people who could have a job subsist on "entitlements", and don't take the jobs out there when they could.

No. What I'm saying, you fucking assgape, is that the rich should pay their fair share of taxes, create jobs (in America, since us po' folks can't do it) and actually do something other than benefit off freedom that's been HANDED to you, by people that aren't rich.

Making a shitload of money is a two-way street: the more you make, the more you pay in taxes. Please justify why it should work any other way, Marsha.

No. What I'm saying, you fucking assgape, is that the rich should pay their fair share of taxes, create jobs (in America, since us po' folks can't do it) and actually do something other than benefit off freedom that's been HANDED to you, by people that aren't rich.

Making a shitload of money is a two-way street: the more you make, the more you pay in taxes. Please justify why it should work any other way, Marsha. Originally Posted by Rambra Creem

Stop watching those Rev. Wright DVD's and listening to that liberation theology crap........[and stop watching the gay porn]

I have been a... Originally Posted by Jdriller

Again, your posting history calls into question just about every claim you make about yourself. So you may as well not bother.

I have a 9-1/2" dick and every provider i've ever been with has so many orgasms that they end up paying me by the end of the session.

See my point?

The point is, many people who could have a job subsist on "entitlements", and don't take the jobs out there when they could.

Ok, and if the discussion about whether or not you're "being punished" was solely about those people, you'd have a right to gripe. It's not. You don't.

Stop watching those Rev. Wright DVD's and listening to that liberation theology crap........[and stop watching the gay porn] Originally Posted by MarshaTHEmanEater

Why, afraid I'll run up on a scene with you in it...being a 'bottom', no less??

Why, afraid I'll run up on a scene with you in it...being a 'bottom', no less??

Originally Posted by Rambra Creem

you're just angry because your hair's straighter than you are....HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

It depends on the context. But if the context is "who can afford to pay more in taxes when times are hard," I think $240,000/year is a good dividing line. Especially if the amount of "extra tax" is a modest 4.6%. If you make $20,000/month, you can chip in a little more. And I could even see tacking on another 5% at around $720,000 to 1,000,000/year. Originally Posted by TexTushHog

So when NYS taxes people 75% higher than the national average for inner city school taxes and the graduation rate is under 50%, you feel that raising taxes is the answer? The fraud is absurd, theres enough money being wasted already to take care of our issues.Medicare has a problem with bureaucrats not policing where the funds go..etc and to say any difrent is being disingenuous.This "RICH" argument sickens me.

So when NYS taxes people 75% higher than the national average for inner city school taxes and the graduation rate is under 50%, you feel that raising taxes is the answer? Originally Posted by JONBALLS

What post are you reading when you type that?

The fraud is absurd, theres enough money being wasted already to take care of our issues.Medicare has a problem with bureaucrats not policing where the funds go..etc and to say any difrent is being disingenuous.This "RICH" argument sickens me.

Your "waste" argument is absurd. Call Rush and find someone who agrees with you on that nonsense. But if you think we spend too much? Ok, but if you want any credibility, you need to start with the defense budget. We could cut $500B a year and still spend 2X as much as any other country. That's $1 Trillion (with a "T") we could save every 2 years to start paying down the debt. So if you really care to be serious....

Why have i not heard you once, not once, mention the defense budget? Not only that, but you've had it pointed out to you several times that we're currently under-taxed in historical terms, but not once, not once have you mentioned that. You ignore that simple fact and instead you complain about being over-taxed. Really? Compared to what time in history? Tell me.

Not once have you linked to a simple fact, or statistic to back up anything you say. Not once. Instead, you rely on lazy platitudes and made up numbers that could fit on a bumber sticker. Back up your rhetoric.

So when NYS taxes people 75% higher than the national average for inner city school taxes and the graduation rate is under 50%, you feel that raising taxes is the answer? Originally Posted by JONBALLS

Maybe NY would not have to pay so much more in taxes if they would quit giving tax breaks to people in rural counties that own farms............

You ever thought about that?

we're currently under-taxed in historical terms, but not once, not once have you mentioned that. You ignore that simple fact and instead you complain about being over-taxed. Really? Compared to what time in history? Tell me.

. Originally Posted by Doove

Thats a fact JB......that is one reason why the deficit is the way it is.

The rich have gotter super rich while the deficit has exploded. Now they wanna cut benifits to SS and not raise taxes?

WTF you smoking to get those numbers to add up?

What post are you reading when you type that?

Your "waste" argument is absurd. Call Rush and find someone who agrees with you on that nonsense. But if you think we spend too much? Ok, but if you want any credibility, you need to start with the defense budget. We could cut $500B a year and still spend 2X as much as any other country. That's $1 Trillion (with a "T") we could save every 2 years to start paying down the debt. So if you really care to be serious....

Why have i not heard you once, not once, mention the defense budget? Not only that, but you've had it pointed out to you several times that we're currently under-taxed in historical terms, but not once, not once have you mentioned that. You ignore that simple fact and instead you complain about being over-taxed. Really? Compared to what time in history? Tell me.

Not once have you linked to a simple fact, or statistic to back up anything you say. Not once. Instead, you rely on lazy platitudes and made up numbers that could fit on a bumber sticker. Back up your rhetoric. Originally Posted by Doove

I wasnt asking you.I dont care if you feel im "credible" or not ..Who do you think you are? FUCK YOU!!LOL!!