George Zimmerman Arrested -- Finally!!

C'mon man, your comparing a 300 lbs body builder's punches to Martin's 150 lbs punches. Originally Posted by PornPet69

I'm pretty sure you just affirmed exactly what Carl and I have stated. Martin, at 160lbs was either incapable or not determined to punch Zimmerman hard enough to kill him. This is clearly proven by the absence of injury to both Martin and Zimmerman.

A 185 lbs guy did that. What if Zimmerman thought he was about to get knockout and Martin might take his gun and shoot him? If that crossed his mind then he was really scared for his life. The information that I would like to know for this case is about the gun. Was the gun on safety or fire before the scuffle? Was it already cocked or did he have to cock it while he was on the ground? I think it would paint a clearer picture of what the mindset of Zimmerman on the night. Originally Posted by PornPet69

What if? What if Martin was under the impression that Zimmerman was a latino gang-banger? Remember, Martin was new to this neighborhood, and Zimmerman clearly stated in the 911 call that Martin was running away from him, this is also confirmed by the conversation Martin was having with his girlfriend at the time. For whatever reason, Martin was afraid of this person. What if Zimmerman had already had his side-arm upholstered at the time Martin first noticed his and that he was being followed? Would you not be scared of this person? Would it not be reasonable to attack someone was chasing you around in the dark with a gun for no apparent reason? Martin could have perceived Zimmerman as a serial killer for all we know. I know that's how I would have perceived him.

What if, what if, what if...The fact remains, Zimmerman had no business stalking this kid and any altercation that took place was a direct result of Zimmerman's idiotic actions.

How badly does one have to be beaten before one can legally defend oneself? Should zimmerman waited for his skull to be cracked first? I am staring at the computer screen in absolute bewilderment. Hopefully you'll find yourself in his shoes one day.

A 185 lb guy, wearing MMA/grappling gloves, which still have some padding, though not as much as a regular boxing glove. I suspect if it were bare-knuckled fighting that Franklin's nose would look worse and his opponent's knuckles would look far less than pristine.

And when combining the limited nature of Zimmerman's injuries with the limited nature of the injuries to Martin's ungloved hands from the official medical examiner's autopsy report (http://www.docstoc.com/docs/12068703...autopsy-report), one abrasion, 1/4 inch by 1/8 inch on the ring finger of the left hand, when the witness says Martin was hitting Zimmerman in an MMA-like ground and pound attack, it really doesn't look there was a reasonably life-threatening situation. There should be more injuries, and more severe, to Martin's bare knuckles as well as Zimmerman's face. That's why I have difficulty in accepting Zimmerman's version of events at face value.

http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/ Originally Posted by Billy_Saul

So, it's a DAO pistol with no manually operated safety, just the automatic hammer block which works to prevent accidental discharge upon dropping the weapon like a transfer bar mechanism on a revolver. Therefore the weapon is ready to go at all times once a round has been chambered.

Wow SpeedRacer. Reed Grathic's and Artist Formerly Known As comments. Hopefully you will learn something. Doubt it, but hopeful.

And to show that your having issues with comprehension it was never said that Martin's background or drug use etc was relevant in the case. It was mentioned because people like you and F-Sharp want to bring up that Zimmerman was racist, etc. So, if you want to take a look at Zimmerman's background then you need to look at Martin. In addition, because of Martin's background and the path he was going he would most likely be dead sooner than later and apparently it was sooner due to his OWN actions. The world is a much better place with one less possible drug dealer / burglar around which occurred legally as Zimmerman had EVERY RIGHT to stand his ground. Originally Posted by dante0322

Dante, as I challenged someone else, I challenge YOU to find anywhere in any of my posts where I have brought up the issue of race. The ONLY thing I have stated is that Zimmerman MAY have followed Martin because he was a black man in a hoodie in a predominantly non-black neighborhood. To me, it has no bearing on the case if Martin was white, black, yellow, or part of Blue Man Group. I in no way believe Zimmerman shot and killed Martin because he was black.

As for Grathic's comments, unless he can come up with a REPUTABLE source to support his OPINION as to the definition of "Rights", I will stand by the definition cited by me.

Regarding Zimmerman's and Martin's past. I would expect anything from EITHER'S past that is relevant to the charges against Zimmerman to be brought up at trial.

But since you have already tried and convicted Martin as a drug-dealer and burglar, despite absolutely no support to your claims, this speaks volumes about you.

I'm pretty sure you just affirmed exactly what Carl and I have stated. Martin, at 160lbs was either incapable or not determined to punch Zimmerman hard enough to kill him. This is clearly proven by the absence of injury to both Martin and Zimmerman.



What if? What if Martin was under the impression that Zimmerman was a latino gang-banger? Remember, Martin was new to this neighborhood, and Zimmerman clearly stated in the 911 call that Martin was running away from him, this is also confirmed by the conversation Martin was having with his girlfriend at the time. For whatever reason, Martin was afraid of this person. What if Zimmerman had already had his side-arm upholstered at the time Martin first noticed his and that he was being followed? Would you not be scared of this person? Would it not be reasonable to attack someone was chasing you around in the dark with a gun for no apparent reason? Martin could have perceived Zimmerman as a serial killer for all we know. I know that's how I would have perceived him.

What if, what if, what if...The fact remains, Zimmerman had no business stalking this kid and any altercation that took place was a direct result of Zimmerman's idiotic actions. Originally Posted by F-Sharp

The only thing I confirmed was that a bigger person's punches will do more damage. Few people in this world can punch a person hard enough to kill them but bashing a guy's head into concrete different story. Where is this abscene of injury to Zimmerman? Does he have to look like Rocky to make you believe he was in a fight? All I was talking about is if Zimmerman was truly scared for his life or not because that will be what they will be debating about. They won't be talking about the racist stuff you keep bringing up.

Now Carl, thanks for the info. So all Zimmerman had to do is cock it then fire, which you do need two hands to do, interesting.

all Zimmerman had to do is cock it then fire, which you do need two hands to do, interesting. Originally Posted by PornPet69

No, one hand will do it. No cocking required. This gun is designed exactly for this type situation. Highly concealable, light, compact and lethal. All for $330. I think I'll go shoot one at Red's this week.

I think some people.are still having trouble believing a 12 year old boy like in the.picture was responsible.for.this.

How badly does one have to be beaten before one can legally defend oneself? Should zimmerman waited for his skull to be cracked first? I am staring at the computer screen in absolute bewilderment. Hopefully you'll find yourself in his shoes one day. Originally Posted by Dr. Pecker

Police officers are only allowed to use deadly force as an absolute last resort. Here's what the Florida statues says:

Fla. Stat. § 776.012. Use of force in defense of person

A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony;

(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

The way I see it, Martin (the guy walking home minding his own business) had every right to attack Zimmerman (the crazy guy with the gun stalking Martin). If Martin at any point knew Zimmerman had a gun, he had every reason to fear his life was being threatened and acted accordingly.

Few people in this world can punch a person hard enough to kill them Originally Posted by PornPet69

Yes, VERY few people indeed.

but bashing a guy's head into concrete different story. Originally Posted by PornPet69

Zimmerman was reported as being 5'9", and 185lbs, and 28 years old. Do you honestly mean to suggest that Zimmerman was completely helpless to a 17 year old kid who had no background in self-defense or martial arts, and weighed 25lbs less than he did? You folks keep trying to portray this guys as an 80 year old grandmother! Completely defenseless he certainly was not. Further, Zimmerman had his hand and arm free enough to use a side arm to shoot and kill Martin at an intermediate range, but apparently that hand and arm wasn't free enough to protect himself otherwise? Zimmerman clearly went to the first resort, not the last.

Where is this abscene of injury to Zimmerman? Does he have to look like Rocky to make you believe he was in a fight? Originally Posted by PornPet69

Em basically, yes. Zimmerman claims to have been in fear for his life, one can't help but wonder why based on his lack of serious injuries.

Shooting and killing another human being is no trivial matter folks. If you're going to shoot and kill someone, you best have VERY good reason to do it.

No, one hand will do it. No cocking required. This gun is designed exactly for this type situation. Originally Posted by Billy_Saul

Yes, assuming he already had a round in the chamber (which would be the prudent thing to do when carrying a self-defnse weapon), pulling the trigger will both cock the hammer and release the hammer (which looking at the kel-tec pictures appears to be an internal hammer, no manual thumb-cocking even possible). One handed operation, like a revolver. And like a DA revolver, a heavier trigger pull compared to a SA semi-auto 1911-style pistol.

No amount of truth will be enough for f shart.

Zimmerman will soon be a millionaire from movie and book deals. He will have to thank trayvon, sharpton and crump. Riots will happen. Angela Corey will be disbarred. People will still believe nbc and other msm outlets despite their lies.

Yes, assuming he already had a round in the chamber (which would be the prudent thing to do when carrying a self-defnse weapon), Originally Posted by Carl

exactly

Also, as far as Zimmerman's head being repeatedly slammed into the concrete: he had two abraisons that did bleed, though from the police photos, not especially profusely:

http://www.westernjournalism.com/wp-...erman-head.jpg

And he refused to go to the hospital. It would be reasonable to expect that a person whose head was repeatedly slammed into the concrete might have more than two minor abraisons and almost certainly have at least a minor concussion. But the fact that we was even allowed to refuse hospital treatment indicate that the EMTs that checked him out did not find signs of a concussion. Why? Because a concussion is a brain injury and a person with a brain injury cannot be expected to legally waive liability and refuse treatment. The fact that he was allowed to waive liability/refuse hospital treatment indicates that the EMTs found no evidence of concussion symptoms.

So, if Zimmerman's unprotected bare head was being repeatedly slammed against the concrete, to the point he could be reasonably in fear for his life, why aren't there signs of greater scalp damage to the back of his head? Why did he not show signs of a concussion, even a mild one? If it was a borderline call as to concussion symptoms why was he not taken to the hospital anyway as a precaution? Can you imagine the legal liability of the city/county if under police questioning he started to have a severe headache and had a stroke or burst aneurysm due to an untreated concussion? What would have been their defense in a massive wrongful death civil lawsuit? "Well, we let a possibly brain-injured person waive liability and refuse medical treatment. It seemed like a good idea at the time."

Again, how badly does ones injuries need to be? You're probably one of those people who think the hens 6 beating was just "playing around" too.