Malaysian airlines: the rise of Al Queada?

Do you know where the plane is right now? Originally Posted by LexusLover
Am I supposed to?

My best guess is JL hijacked it, landed it in JD's backyard, covered it with JD's wife's dresses (only needed 3), and hid it behind some janitor mopheads.

Next, he is going to fly it back to Israel as soon as he can siphon enough gas from JD's pick-up truck to make the trip.
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  • CJ7
  • 03-17-2014, 05:37 PM
For a number of days now I've thought it's far more likely than not to be at the bottom of the Indian Ocean.

Searchers often find floating wreckage such as seat cushions fairly quickly, as was the case after the crash of Air France 447. But the route is well-known in most cases, whereas here the aircraft may have spent several hours wandering around an area measured in millions of square miles. And by now, the debris may be widely dispersed and much of it may have sunk.

This is a very difficult hunt, and I'm afraid it's going to take a lot of luck. Originally Posted by CaptainMidnight

indeed, even locating the automatic transponder will be a needle in a haystack job
there's only a 2 nautical mile window of opportunity for a receiver to bounce a ping... the jet may never be found if its wet .

The Indian Ocean's average depth is 12,990 feet (3,960 metres), and its deepest .... of many basins that range in width from 200 to 5,600 miles


wow ... even if a receiver is directly over a locating signal it won't pick up the ping... too deep.

Tom Casey, a retired American Airlines pilot who flew the Boeing 777, said that it could land and stop on a runway as short as 3,500 feet if it were coming in light on fuel, as Flight 370 would have been after flying for seven hours.
A lamely defended country might also be too embarrassed to admit they didn't detect the penetration of their airspace.
Originally Posted by Jewish Lawyer


Light on fuel? Did he say anything about the weight of 239 people and their luggage?

Of course, as CJ7 pointed out, even if you could land it in 3,500 feet, how do you take off again? It takes a lot more runway to take off than it does to land.
If the plane ran out of gas and the pilot belly landed it the way Capt. Sully landed the jet in the Hudson, then the 777 may have landed mostly intact in the ocean.

After which it would slowly sink. That would explain the lack of debris.

Even if the engines were torn off and/or parts of the wings, those are structural metal and heavy. They would have sank with leaving debris.

So long as the fuselage did not break up, then there may be no debris.

And if the plane ran out of fuel, there won't be a fuel slick either.

It would be at the bottom of the Indian Ocean, never to be found.
Air disaster experts — who readily admit they are as baffled as everyone else about the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 — say it is technically possible but almost unimaginable that the plane landed somewhere.
A week and a half after the jet vanished over Southeast Asia, the possibility of an intact landing, perhaps on a remote airstrip, seems to survive because no other theory of the case cleanly matches all the facts.
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But safely landing a 209-foot-long jetliner without anyone noticing — and keeping it hidden from the world for the 10 days that have followed — would be an unprecedented disappearing act.
“You can’t completely eliminate it, but it’s unlikely,” said Bill Waldock, a professor of safety science at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Prescott, Ariz., and an aircraft accident investigator.
Investigators figure that the jetliner was along one of two arcs, each thousands of miles long, when it last made contact with a commercial satellite at 8:11 a.m. Malaysia time on March 8.

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The above graphic shows the possible last known position of the missing plane based on satellite data. Source: Mayalsian government
Along the northern arc, China, India and Pakistan, have reported no sign of the plane, according to The Associated Press. Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan have also said nothing was amiss in their airspace. U.S. intelligence officials to believe the southern arc is the likelier possibility.
The southern arc stretches from Indonesia into the yawning expanse of the Indian Ocean, where radar coverage is more scarce. It brushes close to Australia, where there is vast, mostly uninhabited outback where it might be possible to land a plane.
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“Probably there would be some places flat enough to put an airplane down,” Waldock said. “The question is, isn’t somebody going to see it? It’s 200 feet long and 200 feet wide (counting wingspan). That’s going to show up like a sore thumb.”
"The fact that there was no distress signal, no ransom notes, no parties claiming responsibility, there is always hope."
And in the remote islands along the southern arc, “there’s nothing built up enough to put an airplane down on,” he said.
Besides the problem of landing a 777 in the territory of a sovereign country, a sinister pilot, crew member or hijacker would have to take control of the more than 230 people left on the plane. And using it in a nefarious plot would require refueling it.

“There’s a lot of moving parts to do that,” Don Borelli, an NBC News national security analyst, said Monday on TODAY. “And to what end? And the fact that there’s no chatter in the intelligence community talking about such a plot.”









“It seems unlikely,” he concluded, “but I’m not going to rule it out.”
Robert Hager, who covered aviation for NBC News for 25 years before retiring, said that even if civilian radar didn’t pick up the plane, “spy satellites or radar that we don’t know about” probably would have.
“I just don’t see it,” he said. “If they find the plane on the ground, it’s going to be in little pieces, in the Himalayas or the bottom of the ocean.”
The theorizing is complicated by the fact that the families of the 239 people on the plane are increasingly distraught and desperate for answers about what happened to their loved ones.
Hishammuddin Hussein, the Malaysian defense minister, told a news conference Monday that finding the plane was still the focus of investigators, and he did not rule out finding it in one piece.
“The fact that there was no distress signal, no ransom notes, no parties claiming responsibility, there is always hope,” he said.
Chinese Premier Li Keqiang, whose country is home to more than half the passengers, sounded a similar note: “As long as there is one thread of hope, we will continue an all-out effort.”





Tom Casey, a retired American Airlines pilot who flew the Boeing 777, said that it could land and stop on a runway as short as 3,500 feet if it were coming in light on fuel, as Flight 370 would have been after flying for seven hours.
And the New York public radio station WNYC, relying on data from the aviation site X-Plane, found 634 runways of 5,000 feet or more in the countries surrounding Malaysia, including Micronesia and the far-flung Maldives.
“If they flew over the wrong place, they would show up on air-defense radar,” Waldock said. “And all the sudden you get lit up by a missile.”
Casey, too, questioned how a landed 777 could be hidden, especially given the enormous media attention paid to the missing plane. And anyone who wanted to land the plane would have had to know exactly where they were going, he said.
Still, he added: “It makes a lot more sense to me that you’d fly a plane to somewhere than fly a plane into oblivion.”
He questioned whether other countries might have missed Flight 370’s radar blip — at the time, the world was just learning about a missing plane — or might be loath to admit that a plane had penetrated their radar systems without anyone noticing.
“We know they flew for six or seven hours,” he said. “It doesn’t make any sense at all for a plane, whether it’s a rogue crew or an intervention, to fly like that for seven hours and then crash and die.”





An intact landing is difficult to imagine, he said, but “I think it’s as likely as any scenario. … This is the first disappearance of its kind that we know about, period
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  • 03-17-2014, 06:19 PM
If the plane ran out of gas and the pilot belly landed it the way Capt. Sully landed the jet in the Hudson, then the 777 may have landed mostly intact in the ocean.

After which it would slowly sink. That would explain the lack of debris.

Even if the engines were torn off and/or parts of the wings, those are structural metal and heavy. They would have sank with leaving debris.

So long as the fuselage did not break up, then there may be no debris.

And if the plane ran out of fuel, there won't be a fuel slick either.

It would be at the bottom of the Indian Ocean, never to be found. Originally Posted by ExNYer


that being the case someone would open something and try and escape sinking to the bottom of the ocean ... something or someone would float
that being the case someone would open something and try and escape sinking to the bottom of the ocean ... something or someone would float Originally Posted by CJ7
But what if they were all already dead?

Supposedly the plane climbed to 45,000 feet initially and it is suspected that the pilot suddenly depressurized the cabin to kill everyone on board (he wore his oxygen).

I don't know how he depressurizes without all of the oxygen masks deploying - but that is one of the theories.

In other words, the 7 hour flight was a death flight. Only the pilot was still alive when it belly landed.

Ergo, no debris.

That's just a theory, I ain't swearing by it.

But the pilot was apparently a fanatical supporter of an imprisoned opponent of the Malaysian government. This could be some twisted suicide, revenge plot designed to draw attention to the incompetence and corruption of the Malaysian government.
According to those who know the plane could not ascend to that altitude in the length of time the theorists have stated,
According to those who know the plane could not ascend to that altitude in the length of time the theorists have stated, Originally Posted by i'va biggen
I thought they had it tracked on radar going to 45K or so, then diving erratically to 23K or so (to toss gasping, struggling people around??), then rising again to about 30K before dropping off the radar.

Here is a quote from a NY Times article:

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According to military radar, the aircraft was flying extremely high shortly after its turn — as much as 45,000 feet, above the certified maximum altitude of 43,100 feet for the Boeing 777-200. It then descended as it crossed Peninsular Malaysia, flying as low as 23,000 feet before moving up to 29,500 feet and cruising there.
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The article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/wo...w-nytimes&_r=0

Other news accounts have the plane cruising below 5,000 once it got out over the ocean.

Who the fuck knows?
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  • CJ7
  • 03-17-2014, 07:37 PM
But what if they were all already dead?

Supposedly the plane climbed to 45,000 feet initially and it is suspected that the pilot suddenly depressurized the cabin to kill everyone on board (he wore his oxygen).

I don't know how he depressurizes without all of the oxygen masks deploying - but that is one of the theories.

In other words, the 7 hour flight was a death flight. Only the pilot was still alive when it belly landed.

Ergo, no debris.

That's just a theory, I ain't swearing by it.

But the pilot was apparently a fanatical supporter of an imprisoned opponent of the Malaysian government. This could be some twisted suicide, revenge plot designed to draw attention to the incompetence and corruption of the Malaysian government. Originally Posted by ExNYer
if it did sink sooner than later the airframe will split because of pressure at those depths and something will make it to the surface and float... whether it can give an indication to the planes location remains to be seen ... it cant stay together at 12,000 feet for any length of time without pressure in the cabin
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Naw. You stupid fux are irrelevant.
I thought they had it tracked on radar going to 45K or so, then diving erratically to 23K or so (to toss gasping, struggling people around??), then rising again to about 30K before dropping off the radar.

Here is a quote from a NY Times article:

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According to military radar, the aircraft was flying extremely high shortly after its turn — as much as 45,000 feet, above the certified maximum altitude of 43,100 feet for the Boeing 777-200. It then descended as it crossed Peninsular Malaysia, flying as low as 23,000 feet before moving up to 29,500 feet and cruising there.
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The article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/wo...w-nytimes&_r=0

Other news accounts have the plane cruising below 5,000 once it got out over the ocean.

Who the fuck knows? Originally Posted by ExNYer


Opinions vary.
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But what if they were all already dead?

Supposedly the plane climbed to 45,000 feet initially and it is suspected that the pilot suddenly depressurized the cabin to kill everyone on board (he wore his oxygen).

I don't know how he depressurizes without all of the oxygen masks deploying - but that is one of the theories.

In other words, the 7 hour flight was a death flight. Only the pilot was still alive when it belly landed.

Ergo, no debris.

That's just a theory, I ain't swearing by it.

But the pilot was apparently a fanatical supporter of an imprisoned opponent of the Malaysian government. This could be some twisted suicide, revenge plot designed to draw attention to the incompetence and corruption of the Malaysian government. Originally Posted by ExNYer
All due respect to Captain Sulley, the plane has some sort of system to prevent the wings from dipping when close to the ground, or obviously water in his case. That would enable the plane to stay intact during a water landing and sink in one piece, leaving no initial trace if out of fuel. I think that tracks well with your "everyone on the plane was dead" except the pilot theory. Then, it would need to sink in relatively shallow water (though not so shallow and clear it can be seen from above during an air search) to not sink to a crush depth that would break it apart like CJ7 said, allowing debris to come up to the surface.
Looks like both you guys brought up some useful information.
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if it did sink sooner than later the airframe will split because of pressure at those depths and something will make it to the surface and float... whether it can give an indication to the planes location remains to be seen ... it cant stay together at 12,000 feet for any length of time without pressure in the cabin Originally Posted by CJ7

If it sank then it was full of water or it would not have sank. If it was full of water then the pressure doesn't matter except to bodies and luggage.