High end market

Not sure what the obsession with BBFS is in some of these posts but having booked gals in the very high end market (and I mean approaching the 10K market) that was not something that was ever asked for or offered; fundamentally those gals - who you won't find posting or find review for - don't need to make such offers.

Very different than a dating relationship that comes out of this world which can also happen and where bbfs in theory might happen, especially when both gal and gent have on-going testing. In this vein if both are non-monogamous and agree that both can play that can work as well ... not everyone's cup of tea but it can work.

Caveat: porn stars are a whole different category, especially if one has a recent AIM test.

re: 1Janessa and better

Better is the wrong question. I have no doubt that some gals who are in the 300/hr range could accompany me to a black tie event, or play hostess at a business gathering. However, as a rule of thumb I would choose a lady who focuses on multi-hour, overnight, multi-day engagements if I required a date for such a role. So to name a few (some retired or mostly off the market): ladies like Lauren, Natalie, Lovely Victoria, Holly Brooks, Chelsey Heyden, Naiya, Jessica Taylor, Nina, London - since she has am HDH persona - would be far more likely options for that than ladies who focus on hour or 2 hour dates. It is really not an issue of better or worse but what a lady focuses on and the skill sets they most likely bring with them.

As far as expecting certain sexual acts when booking the high end dates, that was also never a case. I recall at least one gal that started out with CBJ until at least a 3rd or 4th date - and dates were always at least a dinner date.

re: YMMV - sure there are some things that a gal will choose to never offer (ie greek). However, I have found that at the higher end YMMV comes into play in many ways; while there may be certain lines a lady may not cross some lines are fungible and the more comfortable a lady is the more of those lines might be crossed.

Got it, my apologies! I thought it was an internet friend for some reason. I "know" plenty of escorts whom I've never met in person, so I misunderstood you.

Unfortunately, the stereotypes society has about us does cause insecurity and consequential elitism among providers—escorts who believe they're somehow superior do so (I believe) because of an ingrained judgement against the entire industry that can be very hard to overcome, even when you've been in it for a while. The same way a lot of women can be misogynist or gay people can be homophobic. They're afraid/disgusted/disappointed by who they really are. Originally Posted by Natalie

Yes i know, but what i say here is not some random hypothetical opinion, its real life experience. I never said all Ladies are like that! I am also a so called HDH , and i don`t bareback anyone. At the moment not even my own BFs since i am not on the pill and do not intend to ever take it again :-)

I know why i disrespect some ladies. And the ones i disrespect are not the ones that charge 300 an hour. Some ladies do bareback because they don`t know too much about the business and as soon as some fancy high roler promises them the earth , the sun and the moon, they go for it. Its pretty damn stupid. Nothing more.

I've spent an equal amount of time in the low end as I have at the high end. Whenever I see the 200-300 girls, I still have a good time, but are they truly what I am looking for? Not really. That's why I sometimes see the high-end escort. Isis, it's not about having an illusion of getting something special. It's about finding exactly what you want. "Exactly what I want" does not exist at 200-300, at least for me. I've looked for many years and have yet to find it at that price level.

While I was in Vegas, I met a few other women in a similar price range who were all BBBJ that I haven't reviewed yet. Nothing against you Chica, but you just happened to reference my one high-dollar review that was CBJ.

Some guys pay a premium for better service. Some pay for exclusivity. While others pay for companionship only. I pay for exceptional beauty. Yes, the GFE service has to be there as well, but a CBJ isn't going to be a deal breaker for me as long as everything else is on the menu. Call me shallow, stupid, a sucker, or whatever you want. I really don't care what anybody on this board thinks of me. I know exactly what I want, and I go after it.

The concept of worth can only be determined by each individual man. If a guy spends 5000 for one evening with a woman, and it was worth it to him, then it really was. Nobody should be able to tell him he overpaid. Likewise, if a guy spends X amount on a provider I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole, I shouldn't be able to tell him he wasted his money. If he's happy and he felt she was worth the money, then she was. That is the only thing that matters.

Again, unless you have the same mindset as me, then you're never going to understand why I do what I do. Originally Posted by The Nameless One

No problem Sir, your review was relevant to the discussion here, thats why I referenced it. We all do this for different reasons and we all look for different things in the ladies we choose to spent our time and cash with. As long as each of us are happy with those choices, then everyone wins.

Yeap definately and interesting thing going on here

Not sure what the obsession with BBFS is in some of these posts but having booked gals in the very high end market (and I mean approaching the 10K market) that was not something that was ever asked for or offered; fundamentally those gals - who you won't find posting or find review for - don't need to make such offers.

Very different than a dating relationship that comes out of this world which can also happen and where bbfs in theory might happen, especially when both gal and gent have on-going testing. In this vein if both are non-monogamous and agree that both can play that can work as well ... not everyone's cup of tea but it can work.

Caveat: porn stars are a whole different category, especially if one has a recent AIM test.

re: 1Janessa and better

Better is the wrong question. I have no doubt that some gals who are in the 300/hr range could accompany me to a black tie event, or play hostess at a business gathering. However, as a rule of thumb I would choose a lady who focuses on multi-hour, overnight, multi-day engagements if I required a date for such a role. So to name a few (some retired or mostly off the market): ladies like Lauren, Natalie, Lovely Victoria, Holly Brooks, Chelsey Heyden, Naiya, Jessica Taylor, Nina, London - since she has am HDH persona - would be far more likely options for that than ladies who focus on hour or 2 hour dates. It is really not an issue of better or worse but what a lady focuses on and the skill sets they most likely bring with them.

As far as expecting certain sexual acts when booking the high end dates, that was also never a case. I recall at least one gal that started out with CBJ until at least a 3rd or 4th date - and dates were always at least a dinner date.

re: YMMV - sure there are some things that a gal will choose to never offer (ie greek). However, I have found that at the higher end YMMV comes into play in many ways; while there may be certain lines a lady may not cross some lines are fungible and the more comfortable a lady is the more of those lines might be crossed. Originally Posted by discreetgent

I agree with you. I am not saying someone that charges more has to offer it (Oh in the 10k market league no one would ever do it - they are way too snobbish to even consider it)

I am just saying IF you want it offered, then you might find those that do AMONGST these that charge more.

I hope it is sufficiently explained now?
I myself charge 500 an hour outside europe and would never ever do that. So by saying that i would also make an affront against myself, right?

I was not talking about Porn stars. Although given the 1980ies many of them died on HIV related diseases.
I think its still a risky business, same as escorting and i strongly support PORN where they use protection, that said. It is a good education too to see some hot guy with a condom ! I think all that unprotected banging is a bad bad influence! (yes i know now i sound like mummy)

I had clients offering me more money and a recent HIV test to do bareback. I declined. Its even risky today to screw your own BF without protection (as i said i was betrayed once when it came to safe sex, which made me use condoms now without exception in my private life as well), why would i do that with some random stranger? Plus HIV tests have windows. So they don`t really "say" something.

I would expect someone truly gifted in her craft to be able to deliver in any aspect asked of her....from the hotel room to the board room, and inbetween. A provider who can only cater to one market does not seem all that talented to me, when it takes a hell of a lot more work and ability to deal with different types of people and charm them all. This is a business about changing roles to suit the person and the occasion, not a one size fits all type scenario.

See how calm that post was? Not like my usual character is it? It's called acting, and I am quite good at it when I need or want to be...most every companion I associate with is as well or we would all be starving to death.

I love the fact that I can have simply wild sex one day and then be escorted to a dinner cruise the next...it's about variety. I would be totally bored only catering to bcd driven guys, just as I would be with the intellectual conversations that lack humor.

I have different rates and personas to suit each fancy that might present itself, and I do quite well with each one. London Rayne has her appeal to some people, and not others. She is a bit too bold and honest for the sensitive, so my other persona takes care of those egos that need stroking, while London caters to the jokes, bjs, and dinner dates.

The price point rarely has much to do with it, but does lend an idea as to the volume she "might" be getting on a weekly basis. Sure a girl charging 200 "could be" low volume, but you know darn well the 10k girl IS. I consider myself exclusive but to the girl seeing half the guys I see, I would be high volume...that goes for how skinny you are as well. A 70 lb. girl will think the 90 lb. girl is fat..but is she really? Both are equally just as attractive in their own right depending on the individual.

Ah London is back!!! Yay,, now i push the like button more often!! :-)

I've made it clear I look for physical beauty first and foremost. However, a select few women in this business also have that certain “je ne sais quoi”. They have that intangible quality that can’t be described in words and has nothing to do with their looks or service. It is a quality that can't be learned or taught. You either have it or you don't. None of this will make any sense to most people, but for any guy that has experienced something similar, you know exactly what I'm talking about.

I agree that some select women just radiate a kind of erotic essence in their session. Many would say they are "naturals" at making passionate love so that both you and they feel it. I think chemisty has a lot to do with it as well. Unfortunately, most women in the provider business regardless of looks just dont have those intangibles. The ones that do survive fortunately. I have met so many gals who tell me they are great in bed fucking and sucking but just dont have "it".

A 70 lb. girl will think the 90 lb. girl is fat..but is she really? . Originally Posted by London Rayne

Sounds like they both need to schedule more dinner dates and less fucking dates!





Shoot I'd have to throw back a 70 pounder and at the very least card the 90 pounder.

Bullshit.
. There's plenty who wouldn't dare, successful men are guarded about their lives. They have families - sometimes with reputations that go back generations, careers that they had to fight hard to reach and maintain and reputations to protect. Most have an IQ, it's how they got there, and they aren't going to take stupid mistakes that could make all their hard work climbing to the top null and void. . Originally Posted by Lauren Summerhill

You are arguing that a man doing a risky thing that may compromise his reputation will not do another risky thing too, that may tarnish his reputation? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.



That is like saying a boy that picks his nose is to mature to eat the bugger.



Well at least you got the Bullshit part right!

Sounds like they both need to schedule more dinner dates and less fucking dates!





Shoot I'd have to throw back a 70 pounder and at the very least card the 90 pounder. Originally Posted by WTF

What up my brother from another mother!

You know the point I was trying to make, and that is no one is going to be right in this redundant thing. We all have our own way of seeing and doing things, and it's like beating a dead horse trying to get another side to see things the way you do. It's about as useless as a "What's GFE" thread.

In all seriousness though, I have seen the most intelligent and successful men do the dumbest things for a piece of a&&, so I doubt image has anything to do with it. The little head is 5 to 3 over the big head in the grand scheme of things, and anyone believing otherwise does not know men that well. Men have lost their wives, children, and careers over an affair with a girl at the local strip club, and I doubt their hobby choices are always more thought out than that.

If they were THAT worried or fearful, they would not do it period.

In all seriousness though, I have seen the most intelligent and successful men do the dumbest things for a piece of a&&, so I doubt image has anything to do with it. The little head is 5 to 3 over the big head in the grand scheme of things, and anyone believing otherwise does not know men that well. Men have lost their wives, children, and careers over an affair with a girl at the local strip club, and I doubt their hobby choices are always more thought out than that.

If they were THAT worried or fearful, they would not do it period. Originally Posted by London Rayne

You got that right!

What movie was this from? No googling, just gaggling.

Michael: Everyone does everything just to get laid.
Karen: Who said that? Freud?
Michael: No, I did.




Here's two more hints....


Sam Weber: [Sam enters a room where Nick is up late watching TV] What's this?
Nick: I'm not sure.
Sam Weber: What's it about?
Nick: I don't know.
Sam Weber: [Sam shakes his head, pats Nick on the shoulder, then sits in a nearby chair] Who's that?
Nick: I think the guy in the hat did something terrible.
[shot of TV shows a man being thrown through the glass window of a door]
Sam Weber: Like what?
Nick: You're so analytical! Sometimes you just have to let art... flow... over you.
[Sam rolls his eyes]


Michael: [explaining to his editor at People Magazine why he's delaying his interview with a 14-year-old blind baton twirler] That's why I'm calling, Jim. That way, I can have a story for you this week and for next week, and... Jim, Jim, give me a break. I'll fly to Dallas on Monday. She won't regain her eyesight over the weekend. I know, but I think I've got something good right here. I don't know, it's about everything: Um... suicide, despair, where did our hope go? Lost hope, that's it, lost hope. Yeah, well, you think everything is boring. I mean, you know, you wouldn't say that if it was the Lost Hope Diet.

You got me...I give up.

True story about a CEO...bbfs with every provider he ever saw from day one. He could not go at all with a condom. I am sure every one of them thought "they were the only one he ever did that with" lmao. It is actually the most successful who think they are bullet proof, and can get away with anything. The poor guy at Home Depot won't even daty on a hooker for fear of catching something lol.

I'd take my chance DATY before I BBFS anyone. Not much difference in DATY and BBBJ, as far as the actual risks of getting something.