Just wait until his WK's start sticking up for him. I've read some of his other postings and they are pretty much the same...ARROGANT, TIGHTWAD, but if course he thinks he is doing them a favor. At the end of the day he is on the same site the rest of us are but his way is the only way.
Back to the real subject. I admit I am moderately saddened by the prospect that GY6 is so highly respected. Not because his opinions of arrangements are wrong (or right) But simply because of his borderline abrasive way of stating his opinion. I had always considered a sugar daddy to hold some form of refinement. I hold high expectations for those that ordain to be mentors. This includes, at the very least, respecting one's own intelligence and self worth enough to not stoop to throwing stones and calling names. My apologies GY6 is this is taken offensively. I am sure outside of this board you are a wonderful sugar daddy and very generous to your sugar baby and other relationships. Originally Posted by JayceeRivers
- DJQualls
- 01-02-2015, 02:51 PM
- JayceeRivers
- 01-02-2015, 04:15 PM
This is the last I shall say on this subject.
To the ladies that aspire for more. Those that wish to be courtesans or sugar babies,
Do not let someone else's view restrain you from bettering yourself or striving for an arrangement. Everyone has the potential to be what they want and it is not wrong to desire to be a provider, a sugar baby, a courtesan or whatever your personal aspirations are. Be the best, do your research, be kind and thoughtful. Remember even the person who speaks the cruelest words is a person and he/she has their own flaws and opinions. This does not mean you need to take it to heart or let them define you. You define you. Focus on bettering yourself and you will draw those that will appreciate what you have to offer. The moment you allow someone else to define what you can be, that is all you will ever be. If you succeed in catching the eye of a sugar daddy remember to treat him well. Learn him, know him and fulfill his needs and he will in turn fulfill yours to the best of his ability. Not all needs stay in the bedroom. Take the time to consider his feelings. Empathize. If the roles were reversed you would not want to be treated like an ATM I am sure. Trust is key and trust is earned.
To those that view providers in such a way they could be nothing but a provider. No matter your personal opinion I respect your right to have it. Though I may disagree with your opinion it is yours to be had. To someone out there you are a god and a savoir. A wonderful person who lights up their life. They in turn fill some need of yours and hopefully adds some light into your life. That is all that matters.
Lastly to those men/women who hold an open mind. You I respect above all else. Not because I desire to be seen by you or others in a particular way but simply because that is the mark of true wisdom and intelligence. The ability to view more than a singular path. Old-T, stimulate, and everyone else. You are the reason that women like myself have not given up on this forum.
To the ladies that aspire for more. Those that wish to be courtesans or sugar babies,
Do not let someone else's view restrain you from bettering yourself or striving for an arrangement. Everyone has the potential to be what they want and it is not wrong to desire to be a provider, a sugar baby, a courtesan or whatever your personal aspirations are. Be the best, do your research, be kind and thoughtful. Remember even the person who speaks the cruelest words is a person and he/she has their own flaws and opinions. This does not mean you need to take it to heart or let them define you. You define you. Focus on bettering yourself and you will draw those that will appreciate what you have to offer. The moment you allow someone else to define what you can be, that is all you will ever be. If you succeed in catching the eye of a sugar daddy remember to treat him well. Learn him, know him and fulfill his needs and he will in turn fulfill yours to the best of his ability. Not all needs stay in the bedroom. Take the time to consider his feelings. Empathize. If the roles were reversed you would not want to be treated like an ATM I am sure. Trust is key and trust is earned.
To those that view providers in such a way they could be nothing but a provider. No matter your personal opinion I respect your right to have it. Though I may disagree with your opinion it is yours to be had. To someone out there you are a god and a savoir. A wonderful person who lights up their life. They in turn fill some need of yours and hopefully adds some light into your life. That is all that matters.
Lastly to those men/women who hold an open mind. You I respect above all else. Not because I desire to be seen by you or others in a particular way but simply because that is the mark of true wisdom and intelligence. The ability to view more than a singular path. Old-T, stimulate, and everyone else. You are the reason that women like myself have not given up on this forum.
- bc7274
- 01-02-2015, 04:18 PM
Session Length: 5hrslmao Is that the best you can come up with? Digging through old reviews/posts in a pathetic attempt to demean/discredit me.
Fee: 500+tip(my choice)
You sure about that?
Oh, you reviewed her lol
Good for you white night, well book a few more "days" with her.
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Session Length: 3hr special
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You go big spender Originally Posted by Gotyour6
I must say you are a sad excuse of a man and its painfully obvious that you have some major shortcomings in your life. The manor and tone in which you take on just further proves my point. If I had to guess you have a 50/50 personality. 50% narcissist and 50% little man syndrome. I would bet you go through your day to day routine trying to convince the world of your importance and how great you are. But at the end of the day not one person is convinced or cares.
Big spender is a relative term. From the perspective of some people I spend a lot but from the perspective of others its nothing more than pocket change. The difference is I try not to judge individuals based on what they may charge/spend for services.
As for me. I am who I am. Nothing more nothing less. I try and treat providers with the care and respect they desire and deserve. Any one that does less is just denying them self the best level of service.
- bc7274
- 01-02-2015, 04:24 PM
This is the last I shall say on this subject.
To the ladies that aspire for more. Those that wish to be courtesans or sugar babies,
Do not let someone else's view restrain you from bettering yourself or striving for an arrangement. Everyone has the potential to be what they want and it is not wrong to desire to be a provider, a sugar baby, a courtesan or whatever your personal aspirations are. Be the best, do your research, be kind and thoughtful. Remember even the person who speaks the cruelest words is a person and he/she has their own flaws and opinions. This does not mean you need to take it to heart or let them define you. You define you. Focus on bettering yourself and you will draw those that will appreciate what you have to offer. The moment you allow someone else to define what you can be, that is all you will ever be. If you succeed in catching the eye of a sugar daddy remember to treat him well. Learn him, know him and fulfill his needs and he will in turn fulfill yours to the best of his ability. Not all needs stay in the bedroom. Take the time to consider his feelings. Empathize. If the roles were reversed you would not want to be treated like an ATM I am sure. Trust is key and trust is earned.
To those that view providers in such a way they could be nothing but a provider. No matter your personal opinion I respect your right to have it. Though I may disagree with your opinion it is yours to be had. To someone out there you are a god and a savoir. A wonderful person who lights up their life. They in turn fill some need of yours and hopefully adds some light into your life. That is all that matters.
Lastly to those men/women who hold an open mind. You I respect above all else. Not because I desire to be seen by you or others in a particular way but simply because that is the mark of true wisdom and intelligence. The ability to view more than a singular path. Old-T, stimulate, and everyone else. You are the reason that women like myself have not given up on this forum. Originally Posted by JayceeRivers
If I ever make it out your way I would so love to sit down and have dinner with you.
- stimulatethemind
- 01-02-2015, 06:21 PM
If I ever make it out your way I would so love to sit down and have dinner with you.If you are ever able to arrange this, my friend, you will not regret it. This lady is, as I'm sure you have noticed, stunningly beautiful. More importantly, however, is the fact that she is extremely intelligent, very articulate, well spoken and an excellent conversationalist. A two hour dinner with her will seem to fly by and will be over before you know it and leave you wanting more. She is also kind, caring and benevolent. I have never seen her pass a Salvation Army bellringer without dropping some cash into the kettle. In short, she is the "complete package" and I consider myself quite fortunate to count her among my very best friends.
- Eva Damita
- 01-03-2015, 01:00 PM
Jaycee Rivers is a breath of fresh air, and presents herself as a true Courtesan in her eloquence. This woman oozes eloquence, and class. SHE is certainly a Courtesan I'd recommend one to model their attitude by. My hats off to you Ms. Rivers!!
*curtsy*
*curtsy*
- Old-T
- 01-03-2015, 01:48 PM
Eva, fortunately she is not the only one. In amongst the many posters here there are a few ladies who stand out by what they say and how they present themselves. They are a pleasant unexpected treat when I stumble upon a new addition to the community who can present ideas in a way that makes me think or smile or question my own opinions. Or just makes the day a little nicer for having read their posts. The mind really is the most erotic part of the body, and whoever said a picture is worth a thousand words was mistaken in this case.
Yes, Jaycee is someone like that. As are you. And Tiffany Johnson. And MaxiMilyen, and others. I am thankful for you all.
Yes, Jaycee is someone like that. As are you. And Tiffany Johnson. And MaxiMilyen, and others. I am thankful for you all.
- Annika
- 01-03-2015, 02:25 PM
- Eva Damita
- 01-03-2015, 02:30 PM
Eva, fortunately she is not the only one. In amongst the many posters here there are a few ladies who stand out by what they say and how they present themselves. They are a pleasant unexpected treat when I stumble upon a new addition to the community who can present ideas in a way that makes me think or smile or question my own opinions. Or just makes the day a little nicer for having read their posts. The mind really is the most erotic part of the body, and whoever said a picture is worth a thousand words was mistaken in this case.
Yes, Jaycee is someone like that. As are you. And Tiffany Johnson. And MaxiMilyen, and others. I am thankful for you all. Originally Posted by Old-T
Why thank you kindly Old T, I'm floored and flattered by your words! I am thankful for sweet gentlemen like yourself who while writing (typing) diplomatically and poised, are still able to present their positions on a subject thoroughly.
- Whispers
- 01-03-2015, 11:24 PM
For a few years now I have read every SD/SB thread on this board and other boards I have come across and find I usually learn something if a conversation goes long enough as well as involves enough people.
Before this post was made I can state I had never believed a Provider posting here on the subject had the remotest clue on what a relationship between a SD and SB consisted of or where some of the biggest pitfalls lay in even trying to entertain a relationship of some sort....
I do not agree with everything Ms. Rivers might say on the subject but I will not discount her opinions or even suggest that she has no real understanding of it as I do believe most ladies posting to these threads lack.
I will have to continue to believe that a Provider turned SugarBaby is as believable as Abominable Snowmen, Big Foot and that Cops can't lie when entrapping you.....
I will look forward to reading more that you have to say on the subject as you tend to be unable to resist answering sugar baby/sugar daddy threads. My Achilles heal when it comes to having an opinion
Before this post was made I can state I had never believed a Provider posting here on the subject had the remotest clue on what a relationship between a SD and SB consisted of or where some of the biggest pitfalls lay in even trying to entertain a relationship of some sort....
I do not agree with everything Ms. Rivers might say on the subject but I will not discount her opinions or even suggest that she has no real understanding of it as I do believe most ladies posting to these threads lack.
I cannot resist answering sugar baby/sugar daddy threads. My Achilles heal when it comes to having an opinion. I have a few myself...As one that is known to make Long winded posts I want to thank-you for yours. For now.....
I have said it before and will state again. There are no two alike. They are subjective to the individual. No one person is wrong in their unique vision. No more than any normal relationship is wrong in their desires. An important point I would make in her comment here is that what I believe a true SB/SD relationship entails makes it the closest possible correlation to a "normal" relationship that a man can have with a woman where there is some agreed financial component. Nothing else comes close.
To one man a "hooker on demand" is a sugar baby. To another a desperate college student who is just looking for a no commitment tryst with a wealthy man is a sugar baby.
Not every arrangement entails car's, diamonds and trips to paris. Very few actually do..... The only common thread one can pluck from the varying definitions is "sugar"
i disagree...... "Sugar" is the common focus placed on the relationship on a board where the primary participants are escorts and johns..... In many other places the common thread is "baby and daddy" and the roles those terms represent. I will expand on that in a separate thread..
Each giving something to the other in excess. Excess? Why excess? Consider the word sugar for a moment. Sweet, unnecessary and once considered rare. Yes many years ago but work of that premise.
The sugar baby gives her sugar daddy sugar in the form of adoration, physical passion, attention, time, compliments, and companionship. If he does not FEEL like the most desired man on the planet and luckiest guy on earth when he is with her, she is not doing her side. Her job is to make sure he feels appreciated, intelligent, funny, interesting and overall take away the stress of the rest of his world when he needs her to do so. This may involve her needing to take the time to text him throughout the week often. Talking to him on the phone. making sure she is available to him in person when he needs/wants her to be. Being conscious and thankful for the things he does do and not complain or demand when she wants more.
Bravo! I never before believed for a moment I would see a Provider write that kind of definition.
Don't get me wrong if she feels she needs/wants more a delicate conversation to discuss her needs should be broached, however she should not be demanding or brash. A spoiled brat making demands does nothing to make anyone feel anything but used. She should not be another stress to his life.
The sugar daddy returns with financial support, often stroking her vanity, offering new experiences and even giving her gifts she would either not purchase for herself or cannot afford to do so. This can range from simply just getting to travel with him and nothing else, all the way to having all of her bills paid in full with an allowance on the side and gifts in between. From a helpful mentor to a lavish gift giver. If the sugar baby is struggling financially, looks or feels dilapidated, and/or is missing tons of work/school to be with him HE is not doing his job. She should feel secure enough that if she needs to take time off of working or her education at his behest that she will not struggle financially. No matter what her job is.
Another excellent summation..... but with the focus a little too much on her "financial needs" Many successful babies take something other than money from the relationship...... For example..... A young lady I met wanted a SD that could open doors to her within the art world..... something money could not buy..... It required connections..... Another wanted an in to the music business.... access to recording studios, vocal coaches.... not just those that money might buy..... those that only a person WITH the connections could provide.... There are many things a baby looks to a daddy for.... money is often a factor but too many discount that there are other reasons....
Can escorts/providers be sugar babies. Yes. In fact they may make better sugarbabys IF YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH.
Better? I do not think so... I am still not sure I even believe a provider can be one although I am willing to hear more from you on the subject.....
Her job does not cement her personality. Not all escorts/providers are money hungry evil women looking to get her next fix on some addictive substance. Not all wealthy men are generous, kind and gentlemanly. Just as not every woman can be a sugar baby not every man can be a sugar daddy. Proven by the reverse popularity of the ESCORT/JOHN community in comparison to the BABY/DADDY community..... There are far more Johns looking to get laid than ladies providing....... However the opposite is true in the SD/SB market..... It is the legitimate SD that is in greater demand...
Know what you want before you go out looking. If you want to be a sugar baby don't go in without knowing what you can give and what you need AND want from the situation. Be prepared to compromise to a certain extent and allow yourself to be you. Be friends, be lovers and confidants. Enjoy him for more than just the wallet or find another. As a sugar daddy be prepared to give materially. be understanding that she is a human being. She may get sick, have family problems, may simply have a bad day.
Why do I feel like SOME providers may make better sugar babies? Simply because likely she has a higher libido and is more interested in satisfying your physical needs as well as her own. She has had more experience satisfying gentlemen mentally, physically, and emotionally. She endeavors to make you feel good. She is far less likely to want to become your wife and step over boundaries that are set.
But in the back of EVERY man's mind is the knowledge that she is in fact a Performance Artist that has learned that role. The sex with a SB is often a bit awkward at first but when the two connect can surpass many other connections....
Yes the drawback is she may be tainted by the money mindset. "May" is not remotely the accurate word..... I've never met a provider that could set aside what she had learned the value of her time could be......
example: "You are only giving me 1000 a month plus gifts but I spend 3 days a week with you at least. I can make 1000-3000 in those three days if I was seeing clients" That is the biggest fear that I see consistently regurgitated. I appreciate that fear. However understand that mind set is simply a fear of her own. After all it is usually the sugar daddy that does the moving on. What if she is completely reliant on him and then he finds a newer younger version? What if he gets bored? This fear particularly is seeded in those asked to be completely monogamous and/or stop working. The money mindset is easily overcome. Both parties simply need to be open and honest about what they want and need at the start. True but seldom happens. Be understanding about each others opinions and thoughts on the subject as well as limitations. Find a compromise that will allay both sets of fears. This may include allowing her to continue to escort and accept her chosen occupation with grace or bump up the anti. find a way to alleviate her fears.
She may need to prove herself.
A very important aspect that I have yet to meet a Provider that could come to deal with. With a Provider it is "Cash up front", envelope on the counter...... With the SD it is, Let's spend a little time together and get to know each other before we begin to monetize what's going on....
I have had many sugar daddies throughout the years. One of the ways I have found to help alleviate his fears that I am lying or manipulating him for more money is, I get a bluebird card. a main one and a connecting student one. This way he can put in the card what he feels comfortable with AND monitor where I am spending this money. If I say I am paying a sprint bill with it, he can see I indeed paid that bill with the money he gave me. This helps build trust. As a sugar baby I go out of my way to avoid making it purely about monetary spending and receiving. Yes I am given gifts, money, and trips. However at the start I sit down and discuss what I want, what I expect and what he can expect from me in return. Aside from a quarterly check in to make sure we are both fulfilling our sides I do not ask for anything after that. I leave it in his hands and trust him to fulfill his promises just as he trusts me not to abuse his generosity.
This is where you get my attention..... I know a lot of SD's and have had a lot of SBs... I know very few like myself that have had more than a couple of these relationships that have lasted more than 2 years.... The ones that last are sustained by the trust built in the beginning and I have used this method for years..... But had I posted this, and I actually have in the past, or verbalized it.... as a male I get chastised and lambasted by providers and WKs alike for being "controlling" or manipulative or deciding in what manner a SB is allowed to spend her money...... Even though I might never suggest that I ever actually say anything to a girl about how she spends the money I give her...
The fact that you not only understand this principle but also can suggest it is very foreign to me.
In the very beginning of a relationship I try to build with a SB is a conversation that lets her know that we will spend a little time getting to know each other, determining compatibility, learning whether or not we want to move forward after which we will discuss the "arrangement" one time and never again bring it up.
I NEVER hand money to a lady...... I give her a card as you suggest and if I have told her I will handle her rent I pay it for her...... The same with any other things I commit to... I give her the card and usually load a few hundred up front and give it to her to have should she need anything we did not discuss.....
Should I want to see her prepare herself in a certain way I tell her to go get her hair and nails done and buy a "white cocktail dress" suitable for xxxxxx and I put enough money on the card for her to do so........
For a few months I do log in and see what she spends...... The only thing that really concerns me are cash withdrawals....... I have made the mistake a time or two of not recognizing a problem in a ladies life......
Over time trust develops..... I prove to her that when a problem comes up I handle it..... she proves to me that she appreciates it...She also proves that she can handle money responsibly....... Over time the nature of the arrangement changes where I am concerned...........
The current 21yo in my life for almost 18 months now, carries a Shell, Firestone and MasterCard that are actually under my name with her as an authorized user. The Shell card is for all her gas and the occasional junk food fix..... The Firestone is for all the maintenance on her car and any emergencies... The Mastercard is for all her groceries and any other needs......
Should she desire, she could go out tomorrow and rack up $5000 in debt under my name..... In actuality she spends very little of "my money" which is how she refers to it.
The value SHE places on what we have lays in the experiences she has had, the places she has gone, the mentoring she has received, the things she has learned.......
In the beginning there was a commitment..... For the curious,,,, She was looking to not have to take money from her parents any more..... and to do that she needed to either work or find about $600 a month to make ends meet where her scholarship and grants fell short.....
I committed to her that I would handle anything she needed... for the most part... without asking......
There have been months when she needed nothing....... There was a trip to a Dentist and close to a thousand bucks for emergency oral surgery just last month......
I have NEVER met a provider that can get away from the "my time is worth $250 an hour" mentality for a long enough period of time to learn what it really means to have someone that truly WILL be there for them......
It never fails to amaze me though that they make so much money, drive shitty cars, have to run specials to pay rent and beg for help in a similar emergency..... Actually I am no longer amazed and simply accept it where they are concerned....
A normal girl in the normal world may or may not be as inclined to be intuitive and try to please her partner. Specially if she is of the younger variety. She may produce more excuses to avoid the bedroom. Yes she is happier with the smaller arrangements but she is likely not going out of her way to know YOU.
I have seen this and IMO this is an area that a SD needs to actually mentor and groom the lady in..... done right he can create the perfect partner....
A normal girl can come with the drawbacks of falling in love and wanting more.
Very Very True...... This is also an area the SD needs be responsible for maintaining..... As a married man I never once had an issue along these lines..... I taught girls the difference between "Love" and "BEING in love" and always maintained boundaries.......
I can admit to slipping a bit when I became a single man..... Probably why my SO of over 3 years is only 24 but adamantly believes and proclaims her love for me....
She may be more inclined to be indecisive and unsure of what she wants. Her bedroom experience is likely not as developed.
For my tastes.... I certainly hope so..... I want a diamond in the rough..... I'll cut and polish it myself.....
The upsides to the normal girls has been stated but for the sake of this long post I feel it necessary to add. She is not tainted by the money for the hour mindset. She is less likely to be sleeping with more than just you. Everything you do that is even moderate could be seen as the most amazing, mouth dropping, heart stopping gift she has ever received. She is often more appreciative. Less demanding.
Escorts value their time by the Hour
Strippers value their time by the "Shift"
Sugar Babies typically do not place a value on their time..... They find value in not only the financial security it might bring but also in the overall experience they are given and security they feel.....
Of course that is not all normal girls. I knew a normal girl who was not an escort who once told me "if my boyfriend does not buy me jimmy choo and Armani he is not worth my time." She was very high maintenance.
The point of this long winded post is simple. If the sugar daddy to be wants a normal girl that does not make him wrong. If he just wants to pay her car payment and nothing else that is not wrong. If he wants to buy her a car and fly her to exotic places he is not wrong. No two arrangements are exactly alike. No two people are exactly the same. Not all escorts make bad sugar babies and not every normal woman makes a good sugar baby. It is as individual and unique as every other type of relationship one can fathom. Originally Posted by JayceeRivers
I will have to continue to believe that a Provider turned SugarBaby is as believable as Abominable Snowmen, Big Foot and that Cops can't lie when entrapping you.....
I will look forward to reading more that you have to say on the subject as you tend to be unable to resist answering sugar baby/sugar daddy threads. My Achilles heal when it comes to having an opinion
- JayceeRivers
- 01-04-2015, 02:26 PM
I know I promised to leave the subject alone however I was requested to revisit. I warred with this request because I quite hate going back on my word. However He made a very good point about revisiting and several good point's in his post. So here I am. Again.
"An important point I would make in her comment here is that what I believe a true SB/SD relationship entails makes it the closest possible correlation to a "normal" relationship that a man can have with a woman where there is some agreed financial component. Nothing else comes close."
You and I both agree on this definition. In the terms of how I personally view a SD/SB relationship this was/is my personal view. My statement was meant only to allow others personal views to be acknowledged and validated. I may not agree with their definition personally but feel it is important to allow them their own view and individual relationship definitions.
"Each giving something to the other in excess. Excess? Why excess? Consider the word sugar for a moment. Sweet, unnecessary and once considered rare. Yes many years ago but work of that premise."
I think of excess as going the extra mile. I have spent years hearing about normal relationships. About women not taking the time to consider the needs of her husband or boyfriend and of course vise versa. I have seen the lull that befalls these couples when they stop doing all of the little things. This is what I meant by excess. It's that extra phone call. That naughty picture taken randomly. The painting that was worked on for a month to show that he(or she) was always in the forefront of the others thoughts. On her end it is being able to drop everything and go to him at his whim (within reason) and attend his needs. It's that extra thoughtful gift that cost no more than a dollar he picked up because it reminded him of her. Its taking her to the art museum that particular weekend because he knows her favorite artist is in town. None of these things are required. They are not a necessity in a relationship. They are excess. They are going above and beyond. She learns that one bedroom trick because he always wanted to try it. He gave her ballet lessons because as a child she dreamed of being a ballerina.
Better? I do not think so... I am still not sure I even believe a provider can be one although I am willing to hear more from you on the subject....."
You are absolutely right here. This was me overextending and being over enthusiastic. I have heard so many displeased stories of potential sugar daddies finding the non sex industry woman unwilling to or reluctant to return favors. They resist the bedroom and when they get there they are not particularly good at it. They treat their SD like a husband and become jealous of his eyes potentially wandering or suddenly wanting more commitment on his end. So I concede to the fact that my view might be tainted by my experience being with gentlemen that had bad experiences themselves. I firmly and strongly feel it is the sugar baby's duty to return equally what she is given. With attention, desire, adoration, appreciation and... well you read my post. To hear this is not returned frustrates me. I cannot bring myself to say most providers can make better sugar babies. I meant more of a select sort can exceed your expectations if you find the right ones. Perhaps I simply am seeing the world with a set of blinders. I want to believe the best in people and I have always been particularly defensive of providers for the simple reason that more often than not it seems they are held in a cage of "cannots" They cannot be anything but a provider, They are lying thieves waiting to take advantage of you. Cold hearted money hungry women who care only for their next big cash target. This stigma is a arrow I take to heart every time I see it or hear it. I would like to believe I am a good person. That I understand and even practice the difference when I am a sugar baby and when I am a provider. I don't feel a "money for the hour" itch when I am with a sugar daddy. I want to believe others can doff that cumbersome thought process as well.
But in the back of EVERY man's mind is the knowledge that she is in fact a Performance Artist that has learned that role. The sex with a SB is often a bit awkward at first but when the two connect can surpass many other connections....
I concede to this. Yes I have seen this more often than not. But like anything else time and trust may eventually alleviate this fear. At least sometimes and I always hope. I firmly believe in and council girls that wish to go this route to cultivate trust. Do what it takes to earn this trust even if it is uncomfortable. It is in his hands after that to trust in his own bedroom skills and know that if she was not liking something she would help guide him to what she did like.
Yes the drawback is she may be tainted by the money mindset. "May" is not remotely the accurate word..... I've never met a provider that could set aside what she had learned the value of her time could be......
Jenifer. That is my real name. I don't hide it by the way. Nice to meet you. Now you have met a provider who can and has set aside the learned value for time mentality. If examples are required I would happily offer them. I am not at this moment because I feel it is too heavily defensive of my personal case and I am attempting more so to simply crack the door to the potential of possibility. Not ask you to step through it or defend my own personal self.
Your sugar baby is a very lucky woman and more so a very good woman. I am very happy for you. You are also very exceptionally generous to her. You are the true definition of a sugar daddy and she sugar baby. No money exchanges hands. You are there for her and she for you.
I have seen this and IMO this is an area that a SD needs to actually mentor and groom the lady in..... done right he can create the perfect partner...."
I counter with this. Yes a normal girl can be mentored and tailored but so can a provider if you find one open to learning. Just like you need to find a normal girl open to amending her side and perspective. Though I would personally prefer if my partner did no try to groom me in a manner that changed who I was, I have always thought no matter the woman (including myself) there is always room for improvement and refinement. No rock is every fully polished. Even a perfectly cut and polished diamond needs cleaned every now and again.
Escorts value their time by the Hour
Strippers value their time by the "Shift"
Sugar Babies typically do not place a value on their time..... They find value in not only the financial security it might bring but also in the overall experience they are given and security they feel.....
MOST escorts value their time by the hour
MOST strippers value their time by the shift
Not all. Absolutes are evil things. They demand all things remain in their perspective place. Poor stay poor. For it is their place to be poor. Escorts only value their time by the hour. They could be nothing more than an escort. They would never make good wives, sugar babies, or girlfriends by this definition. I do believe they have to set this mind set aside. I am not saying it is easy or in abundance. I concede to it's rarity. However, finding the right escort you may find yourself surprised at the added benefits. I am not soliciting you by the way. Merely debating my point. I would be arrogant to think I am the only provider that can be a sugar baby ( and quite self absorbed)
lastly
I will have to continue to believe that a Provider turned SugarBaby is as believable as Abominable Snowmen, Big Foot and that Cops can't lie when entrapping you.....
I do not ask you to find a provider and make her your sugar baby or even promote that a provider can be a sugar baby. All I ask is you open the window to the idea that it is not as impossible as a abominable snow man. As each human being is unique it is up to the individual. My story is mine and once I was no more than a provider. I held tightly to the mindset. I held tightly to it because there was a structure of what it meant to be to be a provider and one must adhere to this structure. Sadly I am far to stubborn to hold to being told what I must do for too long. I am not better than a provider, I am not better than a sugar baby or a house wife or anyone else. I however refuse to adhere to the structure of what I am suppose to be. I would like to believe the only boundary and hindrance to what I can be is the boundary I place myself. I realized the boundary of the money for the hour mindset and also realized that even as a provider it was taking away from potentially beautiful and fulfilling experiences. Though as a provider I cannot fully remove the structure of the hour I can choose to ignore the clock should that hour come to an end. Just as I can easily separate a sugar daddy from a client. In my perspective a sugar daddy is more like a relationship. A "boyfriend" without the destination of marriage. A sugar daddy is much like getting on a train without a end destination in mind. I know at some point I will get of this train or be asked to leave but in the meanwhile the world is open and beautiful. I see the beauty of things I may not have been able to before. I have someone who will "rescue" me should I be in need and in return I can find and fulfill the needs of my conductor. If I get lucky I walk away with memories that will leave me breathless and a better person. If I am not lucky I still enjoyed the ride one way or another.
By rescue I would like to clarify that it does not necessarily mean monetary rescue. Rescue can mean being rescued from tedium or boredom. Rescued from an ignorant view or lack of knowledge. Rescued can mean a trip to the dentist or simply a cup of coffee out on a bad day.
"An important point I would make in her comment here is that what I believe a true SB/SD relationship entails makes it the closest possible correlation to a "normal" relationship that a man can have with a woman where there is some agreed financial component. Nothing else comes close."
You and I both agree on this definition. In the terms of how I personally view a SD/SB relationship this was/is my personal view. My statement was meant only to allow others personal views to be acknowledged and validated. I may not agree with their definition personally but feel it is important to allow them their own view and individual relationship definitions.
"Each giving something to the other in excess. Excess? Why excess? Consider the word sugar for a moment. Sweet, unnecessary and once considered rare. Yes many years ago but work of that premise."
I think of excess as going the extra mile. I have spent years hearing about normal relationships. About women not taking the time to consider the needs of her husband or boyfriend and of course vise versa. I have seen the lull that befalls these couples when they stop doing all of the little things. This is what I meant by excess. It's that extra phone call. That naughty picture taken randomly. The painting that was worked on for a month to show that he(or she) was always in the forefront of the others thoughts. On her end it is being able to drop everything and go to him at his whim (within reason) and attend his needs. It's that extra thoughtful gift that cost no more than a dollar he picked up because it reminded him of her. Its taking her to the art museum that particular weekend because he knows her favorite artist is in town. None of these things are required. They are not a necessity in a relationship. They are excess. They are going above and beyond. She learns that one bedroom trick because he always wanted to try it. He gave her ballet lessons because as a child she dreamed of being a ballerina.
Better? I do not think so... I am still not sure I even believe a provider can be one although I am willing to hear more from you on the subject....."
You are absolutely right here. This was me overextending and being over enthusiastic. I have heard so many displeased stories of potential sugar daddies finding the non sex industry woman unwilling to or reluctant to return favors. They resist the bedroom and when they get there they are not particularly good at it. They treat their SD like a husband and become jealous of his eyes potentially wandering or suddenly wanting more commitment on his end. So I concede to the fact that my view might be tainted by my experience being with gentlemen that had bad experiences themselves. I firmly and strongly feel it is the sugar baby's duty to return equally what she is given. With attention, desire, adoration, appreciation and... well you read my post. To hear this is not returned frustrates me. I cannot bring myself to say most providers can make better sugar babies. I meant more of a select sort can exceed your expectations if you find the right ones. Perhaps I simply am seeing the world with a set of blinders. I want to believe the best in people and I have always been particularly defensive of providers for the simple reason that more often than not it seems they are held in a cage of "cannots" They cannot be anything but a provider, They are lying thieves waiting to take advantage of you. Cold hearted money hungry women who care only for their next big cash target. This stigma is a arrow I take to heart every time I see it or hear it. I would like to believe I am a good person. That I understand and even practice the difference when I am a sugar baby and when I am a provider. I don't feel a "money for the hour" itch when I am with a sugar daddy. I want to believe others can doff that cumbersome thought process as well.
But in the back of EVERY man's mind is the knowledge that she is in fact a Performance Artist that has learned that role. The sex with a SB is often a bit awkward at first but when the two connect can surpass many other connections....
I concede to this. Yes I have seen this more often than not. But like anything else time and trust may eventually alleviate this fear. At least sometimes and I always hope. I firmly believe in and council girls that wish to go this route to cultivate trust. Do what it takes to earn this trust even if it is uncomfortable. It is in his hands after that to trust in his own bedroom skills and know that if she was not liking something she would help guide him to what she did like.
Yes the drawback is she may be tainted by the money mindset. "May" is not remotely the accurate word..... I've never met a provider that could set aside what she had learned the value of her time could be......
Jenifer. That is my real name. I don't hide it by the way. Nice to meet you. Now you have met a provider who can and has set aside the learned value for time mentality. If examples are required I would happily offer them. I am not at this moment because I feel it is too heavily defensive of my personal case and I am attempting more so to simply crack the door to the potential of possibility. Not ask you to step through it or defend my own personal self.
Your sugar baby is a very lucky woman and more so a very good woman. I am very happy for you. You are also very exceptionally generous to her. You are the true definition of a sugar daddy and she sugar baby. No money exchanges hands. You are there for her and she for you.
I have seen this and IMO this is an area that a SD needs to actually mentor and groom the lady in..... done right he can create the perfect partner...."
I counter with this. Yes a normal girl can be mentored and tailored but so can a provider if you find one open to learning. Just like you need to find a normal girl open to amending her side and perspective. Though I would personally prefer if my partner did no try to groom me in a manner that changed who I was, I have always thought no matter the woman (including myself) there is always room for improvement and refinement. No rock is every fully polished. Even a perfectly cut and polished diamond needs cleaned every now and again.
Escorts value their time by the Hour
Strippers value their time by the "Shift"
Sugar Babies typically do not place a value on their time..... They find value in not only the financial security it might bring but also in the overall experience they are given and security they feel.....
MOST escorts value their time by the hour
MOST strippers value their time by the shift
Not all. Absolutes are evil things. They demand all things remain in their perspective place. Poor stay poor. For it is their place to be poor. Escorts only value their time by the hour. They could be nothing more than an escort. They would never make good wives, sugar babies, or girlfriends by this definition. I do believe they have to set this mind set aside. I am not saying it is easy or in abundance. I concede to it's rarity. However, finding the right escort you may find yourself surprised at the added benefits. I am not soliciting you by the way. Merely debating my point. I would be arrogant to think I am the only provider that can be a sugar baby ( and quite self absorbed)
lastly
I will have to continue to believe that a Provider turned SugarBaby is as believable as Abominable Snowmen, Big Foot and that Cops can't lie when entrapping you.....
I do not ask you to find a provider and make her your sugar baby or even promote that a provider can be a sugar baby. All I ask is you open the window to the idea that it is not as impossible as a abominable snow man. As each human being is unique it is up to the individual. My story is mine and once I was no more than a provider. I held tightly to the mindset. I held tightly to it because there was a structure of what it meant to be to be a provider and one must adhere to this structure. Sadly I am far to stubborn to hold to being told what I must do for too long. I am not better than a provider, I am not better than a sugar baby or a house wife or anyone else. I however refuse to adhere to the structure of what I am suppose to be. I would like to believe the only boundary and hindrance to what I can be is the boundary I place myself. I realized the boundary of the money for the hour mindset and also realized that even as a provider it was taking away from potentially beautiful and fulfilling experiences. Though as a provider I cannot fully remove the structure of the hour I can choose to ignore the clock should that hour come to an end. Just as I can easily separate a sugar daddy from a client. In my perspective a sugar daddy is more like a relationship. A "boyfriend" without the destination of marriage. A sugar daddy is much like getting on a train without a end destination in mind. I know at some point I will get of this train or be asked to leave but in the meanwhile the world is open and beautiful. I see the beauty of things I may not have been able to before. I have someone who will "rescue" me should I be in need and in return I can find and fulfill the needs of my conductor. If I get lucky I walk away with memories that will leave me breathless and a better person. If I am not lucky I still enjoyed the ride one way or another.
By rescue I would like to clarify that it does not necessarily mean monetary rescue. Rescue can mean being rescued from tedium or boredom. Rescued from an ignorant view or lack of knowledge. Rescued can mean a trip to the dentist or simply a cup of coffee out on a bad day.
- Gotyour6
- 01-04-2015, 03:35 PM
lmao Is that the best you can come up with? Digging through old reviews/posts in a pathetic attempt to demean/discredit me.So we feel the same way about each other.
I must say you are a sad excuse of a man and its painfully obvious that you have some major shortcomings in your life. The manor and tone in which you take on just further proves my point. If I had to guess you have a 50/50 personality. 50% narcissist and 50% little man syndrome. I would bet you go through your day to day routine trying to convince the world of your importance and how great you are. But at the end of the day not one person is convinced or cares.
Big spender is a relative term. From the perspective of some people I spend a lot but from the perspective of others its nothing more than pocket change. The difference is I try not to judge individuals based on what they may charge/spend for services.
As for me. I am who I am. Nothing more nothing less. I try and treat providers with the care and respect they desire and deserve. Any one that does less is just denying them self the best level of service. Originally Posted by bc7274
You say that you book days with someone and only spend 100 an hour on a has been hooker.
Looks to me you have only booked two at 100 an hour.
You sit there and say that I go buy old reviews. You and your old whore do the same thing and bitch when someone else does it.
Typical.
You book your 100 an hour hookers and call it what ever you want lol.
You da man
- Ninotsugi
- 01-04-2015, 08:27 PM
ALPHA MALE: a Male having the highest rank in a Dominance Hierarchy.
These Males lack the Physical Presence, Charisma, and Confidence of the Alpha Male.
lmao Is that the best you can come up with? Digging through old reviews/posts in a pathetic attempt to demean/discredit me.BETA MALE: an unremarkable, confrontational, SUB-SPECIES!!!
I must say you are a sad excuse of a man and its painfully obvious that you have some major shortcomings in your life. The manor and tone in which you take on just further proves my point. If I had to guess you have a 50/50 personality. 50% narcissist and 50% little man syndrome. I would bet you go through your day to day routine trying to convince the world of your importance and how great you are. But at the end of the day not one person is convinced or cares.
Big spender is a relative term. From the perspective of some people I spend a lot but from the perspective of others its nothing more than pocket change. The difference is I try not to judge individuals based on what they may charge/spend for services.
As for me. I am who I am. Nothing more nothing less. I try and treat providers with the care and respect they desire and deserve. Any one that does less is just denying them self the best level of service. Originally Posted by bc7274
These Males lack the Physical Presence, Charisma, and Confidence of the Alpha Male.
So we feel the same way about each other.
You say that you book days with someone and only spend 100 an hour on a has been hooker.
Looks to me you have only booked two at 100 an hour.
You sit there and say that I go buy old reviews. You and your old whore do the same thing and bitch when someone else does it.
Typical.
You book your 100 an hour hookers and call it what ever you want lol.
You da man Originally Posted by Gotyour6
- Seeker
- 01-04-2015, 09:20 PM
Don't have the time to read all this thread, but just an FYI. Many sugar daddys subscribe to eccie and 411 just for screening purposes. In the SB/SD world there are no reviews..it's totally separate from the escort world. If you are a provider switching to SB then you should erase all your history, if that's possible.
- mm-good
- 01-04-2015, 09:54 PM
Huge thanks to Jaycee and Whispers for an excellent dialog and for conveying your perspectives on this topic in such an open and mutually respectful way!