the jury has to decide IF his nose was broken, Originally Posted by CJ7No, the jury doesn't. There will be no question asking if his nose was broken.
So what are you saying? that because he called him names in a phone call it was o.k. to track him down and shoot him? Originally Posted by BigLouieThere are probably only a couple of people in the world who think that is what happened.
No, the jury doesn't. There will be no question asking if his nose was broken. Originally Posted by LexusLover
Regardless of what options the judge gives the jury, the concept of reasonable doubt is still in affect. There is swore testimony that Zimmerman was getting beat up, and pictures to back it up.You are mixing up 2nd degree murder with manslaughter. They require different burdens of proof. You can not scare someone into fighting you and then claim self defense. While it can not be proven that Zimmerman started the fight, it damn sure can be proven that he could have avoided the fight. Zimmerman brought this upon himself and for that, I have no pity for him. This was not done on Zimmerman's private property but on public property. He stalked him, after being instructed not to.
Even the most ardent supporters for the prosecution have to admit that there is already plenty reasonable doubt raised, and the defense hasn't even presented it's case.
The only thing hat will keep the judge from giving a directed verdict of not guilty will be her fear of repricusions from the poverty pimps, race baiters, and polititians.
Even if the jury does convict, there is no way that the conviction will stand under appeal. If it were allowed too, our entire judicial system based on the reasonable doubt premis would be made a mockery of. Originally Posted by Jackie S
... along with the other lies you seem to think he'll possibly face perjury charges for Originally Posted by CJ7Another trial, another jury. I don't know what "other lies" you reference, but I don't think it is debatable (from what he has admitted) that he lied about funds for bail money ... his wife too. At the moment I don't know if that comes out if he takes the stand in Florida .. i.e. that he lied about the bail funds.
Good, who had perhaps the best view of the struggle between Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin, said it appeared one person was striking the other while straddling him "MMA-style."The pictures taken by the neighbor, Manolo, the night of the incident provide all of the evidence that is necessary to substantiate Zimmerman's claim that Martin was beating his head against concrete, CBJ7, unless, of course, you're still ignorantly arguing Zimmerman's wounds were self inflicted.
However, Good also said he did not see anyone's head being slammed into the concrete sidewalk, which Zimmerman has said Martin did to him.
Good initially testified that it appeared "there were strikes being thrown, punches being thrown," but during detailed questioning Friday, he said he saw only "downward" arm movements being made.
Zimmerman has claimed that he fatally shot 17-year-old Martin last year in self-defense as the teen was banging his head into the concrete sidewalk behind the townhomes in a gated community.
But under prosecution questioning, Good said he never saw anyone being attacked that way during the fight between Zimmerman and Martin.
"I couldn't see that," Good said moments later while being cross-examined.
how bout that IB? Originally Posted by CJ7
Wrong, IB Lying & Crying has been a "complete liar and idiot" since childhood. Originally Posted by bigtexOkay, jackass, now prove Folgate didn't say what is posted above and documented in the court transcript and call it it a lie. Your pathetic, ad hominem attacks to discredit others only show you to be the lying, hypocritcal jackass you are, BigKoTex.
THAT'S RIGHT, LITTLE TWAT!!Your "modus operandi" is still showing, you ignorant, bigoted and lying Yankee jackass.
Keep replying to me. That way you miss all those responses from YssupRider and BigTex and CJ7 and others.
Just think about ALL those posters getting the last word in on you. Too many go back and find them all now, eh?
Post a review. Of a woman. If you have the money. Tranny fucker.
And you're still a "catcher". Originally Posted by ExNYer
well that's about as thoughtful a response as we could possibly expect from the TWAT OF THE YEAR!It's more "thoughtful" and substantive than anything your dumb-fuck golem ass posts, you dumb-fuck golem jackass. That's why your dumb-fuck golem ass was elected to be:
Hiding again, eh, Corpy?
Do your part for America! Urge IBSyndrome (aka "Corpy") to post a link to my original Dipshit of the Year poll and admit his blatant lies to the posters of ECCIE.
Tick, tock, Corpy! Originally Posted by Yssup Rider
You are mixing up 2nd degree murder with manslaughter. They require different burdens of proof. Originally Posted by WTFThe ONLY burden of proof for the State is ... "beyond a reasonable doubt"!
Is that what the dispatcher told you? Or are you just reading minds again? Originally Posted by LexusLoverLogic would dictate that is the reason all are told not to follow.
Martin was living in that neighborhood too.TM did not know he had a gun. GZ had a CHL. Concealed. Do you know what that means?
Should we all start following each other with loaded guns?
How would you feel if some stranger with a loaded gun started following you around?
Is that the new standard? Follow someone around and if they fear for their life and try and protect themself, shoot them dead. Tell your side of the story and walk?
Zimmerman will be convicted of manslaughter, mark my words. He could have prevented this tragedy from happening. Originally Posted by WTF
The ONLY burden of proof for the State is ... "beyond a reasonable doubt"!For second degree murder.
You are so full of shit ... you can't buy diapers big enough!
The State in Florida has to prove he DID NOT act in self-defense by that burden of proof. He only has to make a prima facie case, which the State has done for him with her own witnesses.
Go polish some golf balls. Originally Posted by LexusLover
Your "modus operandi" is still showing, you ignorant, bigoted and lying Yankee jackass. Originally Posted by I B HankeringTHAT'S RIGHT, LITTLE TWAT!!
. I'm stunned at the amount of leeway you want to give TM and yet have absolutely zero tolerance for GZ who was trying to protect his neighborhood. Originally Posted by BudmanI have given GZ plenty of leeway. No 2nd degree murder.
TM did not know he had a gun. GZ had a CHL. Concealed. Do you know what that means?he wasn't on patrol Bud, he was returning home from running an errand, he called the cops then he took the cops place before they could get there... so all the reports you have read are incorrect ... did you read the testimony of the witness under oath, that walked out his back door and standing 15 feet away told the two to break it up, then testify he didn't see anyone getting their head slammed into the concrete ????
You are correct that GZ could have prevented this from happening. He could have stayed home and not tried to protect his neighborhood. Hell, if he had decided to patrol 5 minutes later their paths may have never crossed. TM just as easily could have prevented this from happening by walking away from the "creepy ass cracker". Instead he decided the best course of action was to beat the shit out of a "creepy ass cracker" and he set in motion the drawing of a gun and his death.
From all reports that I have heard TM was the one to escalate this to physical violence and in doing so he is the one responsible for his own death. Just because someone is following you does not give you the right to beat their ass. I'm stunned at the amount of leeway you want to give TM and yet have absolutely zero tolerance for GZ who was trying to protect his neighborhood. Originally Posted by Budman