Still don't believe he's a muslim?

What is gruber a reference to?

Still kind of amazed how everything on this "political post" always ends up turning into a bunch of name calling.
Now, how about a little reality here. Obama has no intention of getting us involved in another skirmish in that part of the world. I think I'm greatful for that! He has to work n a world that includes some of our allies, who we and he knows are just as bad as ISIS, and even funded that group!
Now, back to the original topic, that of Obama comparing what was done during the crusades and inquisition as being as bad as anything being done today by ISIS. The problem never was that every person and country has to be always on guard against ever letting authorities do evil to others. Nations and peoples throughout history have done evil. It never was because of any one thing, like religion. It is just a dangerous trait of us! The problem was, he didn't stress that, and then challenge everyone that listens to him, to always be vigilant to always be on guard to insure that we as a people of the world, never let this happen. Not in the name of power, or religion, or greed, or anything else! See how quick we are to allow distractions to distract us from what is important and get us to attack each other! I think some of you guys need to get laid! Any ladies out there willing to help out here? Originally Posted by Hermosa

Odumbo perpetuated the lie that it was the Christian West that launched an unprovoked and unwarranted attack against 'peace abiding' Muslims, when, in fact, the Crusades were a 'response' to Islamic jihad. Note how Odumbo doesn't recount any of the atrocities committed by Islam during the Crusade period or mention that it was the Christian West that was ultimately were defeated during the Crusades. Hence, by omission, Odumbo dismisses those events as having no consequence in order to give credence to his fallacious argument that all fault for today's events can find their origin in the Crusades led by the Christian West, and that's a bald face lie.

He, UnderConstruction, don't argue with IBIdiot about the rise of Nazism. Next to the Civil War, it's his passion. Especially the GAY NAZIs! When it comes to hatred and genocide, it's practically his hobby... Moreso than women, for sure!

Oh, and he'll be calling you "#Grubered" long past its expiration date. In fact, it's already a hackneyed example of TeaWipe name calling. Kind of like the use of the word "Yankee,"which is still an integral part of his name-calling arsenal.

My advice is to fuck with the man and don't try too hard to understand his patois. Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Flaming, fascist faggots is your specialty per your choice of images to reflect your POV, you Mussulman-luvin, Hitler worshipping, lying, hypocritical, racist, cum-gobbling golem fucktard, HDDB, DEM.

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Odumbo perpetuated the lie that it was the Christian West that launched an unprovoked and unwarranted attack against 'peace abiding' Muslims, when, in fact, the Crusades were a 'response' to Islamic jihad. Note how Odumbo doesn't recount any of the atrocities committed by Islam during the Crusade period or mention that it was the Christian West that was ultimately were defeated during the Crusades. Hence, by omission, Odumbo dismisses those events as having no consequence in order to give credence to his fallacious argument that all fault for today's events can find their origin in the Crusades led by the Christian West, and that's a bald face lie.
Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Harold Lamb's books on the crusades relates it quite different than that chicken dick.

Hermosa, if you haven't noticed yet, a few posters here like IB are not exactly open minded, nor do some of them comprehend staying civil. That is why this prison colony was formed, to try and keep the incivility away from the other forums.

What is very odd, though there are no bars or chains, the most egregious ones tend to self-contain themselves, possibly feeling uncomfortable in a forum where every other word is not a homosexual slur.

Harold Lamb's books on the crusades relates it quite different than that chicken dick. Originally Posted by i'va biggen

You, more likely than not, Stumpy the Inbred Chimp, did not understand what Lamb wrote.

"The Seljuk Turks not only began the conversion of Asia Minor from Christianity to Islam, but they provoked the Crusades and long bore the brunt of resisting them, too" (p. 361, History of the World, by J.M. Roberts)

"A crusade was a holy war fought against those who were perceived to be the external foe of Christendom for the recovery of Christian property... As far as the crusaders were concerned, the Muslims in the East and in Spain had occupied Christian territory, including land sanctified and made his very own by the presence of Christ himself, and they had imposed infidel tyranny on the Christians who had lived there" (pp. 18-19, The Crusades: A Short History by Jonathan Riley-Smith).

Hermosa, if you haven't noticed yet, a few posters here like IB are not exactly open minded, nor do some of them comprehend staying civil. That is why this prison colony was formed, to try and keep the incivility away from the other forums.

What is very odd, though there are no bars or chains, the most egregious ones tend to self-contain themselves, possibly feeling uncomfortable in a forum where every other word is not a homosexual slur. Originally Posted by Old-T

Disregard Old-THUMPER, Hermosa. He's a miserable soul whose only joy comes from trollishly stalking posters on a SHMB and keeping track of their post counts.

Hermosa, if you haven't noticed yet, a few posters here like IB are not exactly open minded, nor do some of them comprehend staying civil. That is why this prison colony was formed, to try and keep the incivility away from the other forums.

What is very odd, though there are no bars or chains, the most egregious ones tend to self-contain themselves, possibly feeling uncomfortable in a forum where every other word is not a homosexual slur. Originally Posted by Old-T

No bars, no chains, and yet you too still remain here within the colony.
So why is that ?

You, more likely than not, Stumpy the Inbred Chimp, did not understand what Lamb wrote.

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

LMFAO is that your "fallback" position chicken dick? Lame ass bitch.

LMFAO is that your "fallback" position chicken dick? Lame ass bitch. Originally Posted by i'va biggen

Noticed how your "fallback position" is to ignore and avoid dealing with the remarks of academically trained historians, Stumpy the Inbred Chimp.

"The Seljuk Turks not only began the conversion of Asia Minor from Christianity to Islam, but they provoked the Crusades and long bore the brunt of resisting them, too" (p. 361, History of the World, by J.M. Roberts)

"A crusade was a holy war fought against those who were perceived to be the external foe of Christendom for the recovery of Christian property... As far as the crusaders were concerned, the Muslims in the East and in Spain had occupied Christian territory, including land sanctified and made his very own by the presence of Christ himself, and they had imposed infidel tyranny on the Christians who had lived there" (pp. 18-19, The Crusades: A Short History by Jonathan Riley-Smith).

Noticed how your "fallback position" is to ignore and avoid dealing with the remarks of academically trained historians, Stumpy the Inbred Chimp. Originally Posted by I B Hankering

I read the books so kiss my ass you pompous ass hole. If you are well trained it is not evident here it is more like the sputtering of a hillbilly. No well educated person would sink to the level you do.

Harold Lamb's books on the crusades relates it quite different than that chicken dick. Originally Posted by i'va biggen

When did he perpetuate that? Merely mentioning two things doesn't equate to equivocation or justitification. Unless of course, that's what you want to take away from it. In which case, you're an idiot.

I read the books so kiss my ass you pompous ass hole. If you are well trained it is not evident here it is more like the sputtering of a hillbilly. No well educated person would sink to the level you do. Originally Posted by i'va biggen

Noticed how your "fallback position" is to continue to ignore and avoid dealing with the remarks of academically trained historians, Stumpy the Inbred Chimp.

"The Seljuk Turks not only began the conversion of Asia Minor from Christianity to Islam, but they provoked the Crusades and long bore the brunt of resisting them, too" (p. 361, History of the World, by J.M. Roberts)

"A crusade was a holy war fought against those who were perceived to be the external foe of Christendom for the recovery of Christian property... As far as the crusaders were concerned, the Muslims in the East and in Spain had occupied Christian territory, including land sanctified and made his very own by the presence of Christ himself, and they had imposed infidel tyranny on the Christians who had lived there" (pp. 18-19, The Crusades: A Short History by Jonathan Riley-Smith).

What is gruber a reference to? Originally Posted by UnderConstruction

You may take this as being insulting but what news channel do you watch? Fox News covered this pretty well. MIT professor, uber-liberal, and confidant of Obama John Gruber was referred to many times as the architect of Obamacare. There is video of him telling his classes that he wrote Obamacare or that he was the guy who made it all happen.

The reference comes from the fact that video also surfaced where he said that Obama was able to get Obamacare passed because the American people were too stupid to understand and he included a few lawmakers in that category (Pelosi et. al). Understandable, he says because the law was written in such a way to make it hard to understand for a reason. He said this on video on multiple occassions and he seemed proud of what he did. He wa bragging after all.

So without going further, that is what a Gruber is. A government official or operative who thinks the American voter is stupid and needs to be lied to in order to advance a progressive agenda.

Noticed how your "fallback position" is to continue to ignore and avoid dealing with the remarks of academically trained historians, Stumpy the Inbred Chimp. Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Notice your fallback position is to ignore anything concerning Harold Lamb, but to parrot the same thing over and over, Very typical of you chicken dick.

You may take this as being insulting but what news channel do you watch? Fox News covered this pretty well. MIT professor, uber-liberal, and confidant of Obama John Gruber was referred to many times as the architect of Obamacare. There is video of him telling his classes that he wrote Obamacare or that he was the guy who made it all happen.

The reference comes from the fact that video also surfaced where he said that Obama was able to get Obamacare passed because the American people were too stupid to understand and he included a few lawmakers in that category (Pelosi et. al). Understandable, he says because the law was written in such a way to make it hard to understand for a reason. He said this on video on multiple occassions and he seemed proud of what he did. He wa bragging after all.

So without going further, that is what a Gruber is. A government official or operative who thinks the American voter is stupid and needs to be lied to in order to advance a progressive agenda. Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

I don't watch Fox News if I can help it. I would tend to agree; the average american voter IS a dumbass. They are lied to in order to advance ANY agenda, progressive or conservative. I think healthcare is a right, so I'm not afraid of social healthcare.

Notice your fallback position is to ignore anything concerning Harold Lamb, but to parrot the same thing over and over, Very typical of you chicken dick. Originally Posted by i'va biggen

Harold Lamb was not a trained academic historian; in fact, Lamb wrote more fiction than he did nonfiction, Stumpy the Inbred Chimp. Additionally, and more importantly, Lamb's book is nearly a century old, Stumpy the Inbred Chimp. Meanwhile, "John Morris Roberts, CBE (14 April 1928 – 30 May 2003) was a British historian, with significant published works who was Vice Chancellor of the University of Southampton, from 1979-1985, and he was Warden of Merton College, Oxford, from 1985-1994." And "Jonathan Simon Christopher Riley-Smith, GCStJ, FRHistS (born 27 June 1938) is a historian of the Crusades, and a Fellow of Emmanuel College, Cambridge." And it remains, Stumpy the Inbred Chimp, there's no reason to believe you when you claim you understand what Lamb wrote.