Talk is cheap.....isn't that your point.
Originally Posted by WTF
Not really. My point is that agruments like yours are inconsistent...and portray that it is YOU who is the one who really cares about humanity. That is just not so.
What is your goal?
Do you want to save lives? I'm all for that. Then lets allocate the societal dollars spent where it saves the most lives. I say that knowing that years ago I read a study that showed on a "bang for the buck" (in savings lives per dollar spent) more lives are saved by restriping the roadways than most any other societal cost. Not very sexy, but if savings lives is your goal, then we ought to be pushing that first. Then continue down the "bag for the buck" scale, on a dollars spent per lives saved basis, until society runs out of money. That will save the most lives.
Do you want to provide health care to the most people? I'm for that too. But I want to allocate the societal dollars to where it does the most good for the most people. As such, I can probably get the most "bang for the buck" (more folks provided for per dollar spent) by providing routine care to those members in society who are exercising healthy habits. As such, those fat slobs, or folks who don't exercise (and can), or folks who smoke (like me), or folks who don't eat well (also like me), or folks who engage in high risk activites (such as P4P), or drug users etc...get put to the back of the line. Let's allocate the societal dollars where it does the most good. Now you're talking the language that most conservatives understand.
You don't seek economic solutions. You, instead, seek money for your emotional solutions. Your motivations are no more moral than mine...you simply portray them that way. I truly do seek economic solutions. And I want society to spend the dollars where it serves the most of society.
You don't like wars? Well, Kumbaya and a Big Group Hug. I don't like 'em either. But you also can't tell me how many lives have been saved in the US because we were the toughest kid on the block. What would have happened with no Cold War build up?...no Cuban Missile Crisis posturing?...no Vietnam or Korean War?...No Iraq war 1 or 2?...No Afgan war?...No US nukes or ships sailing the seven seas?...no Somalia exercise?...no occupation of Germany post WWII? I haven't a clue...nor do you. You just think you know.
Lets just say hardly ever. 
