Provider Based & Owned Media Company Needing Some Answers...

I, too, plan ahead. This is mainly due to my demanding schedule plus the need to stay within a reasonable budget that doesn't go over board. Lately, I've actually found myself hobbying more often than I have in the past. This is mainly due to seeing providers who are not as high end as others. Also, I'm seeing more and more the UTRs in my area. I've found that they offer more bang for the buck-- lower rates, expanded time, and more open menu. So instead of seeing a $350 or more provider once every six weeks, I'm seeing 200-250 providers every 3 to 4 weeks. All of this while juggling my schedule. Once I can fit a provider in, I pull the trigger.

Back to the survey aspect of this thread. As for the open question about ways to improve the experience. I had 2 areas-- 1) ladies need to be more honest about all aspects of their services. My second suggestion will probably be highly controversial, but I answered it given the premise of the survey-- i.e. how to improve the experience in a bad economy. I suggested that the ladies should reconsider their menu options and be as all inclusive with the exception of BBFS. Yes, I know each lady has the right to do what she feels comfortable with. I won't argue that. However, as devils advocate here-- guys are paying for a good time. If that means wanting BBBJCIM, MSOG or any of the other services some ladies won't offer, then the guy should get what he wants (again as long as it is not BBFS or anything way off the charts which would be considered an extreme fetish). Things that most couple outside the hobby do should be available inside the hobby. I look at it this way. The lady has made a conscious decision to make herself available in the most intimate of ways. If a lady has gone that far into the biz, she might as well be all in as it will increase her potential client base. After all, isn't that the purpose of the survey?

I appreciate that darling.

Let me tell you why her survey won't give her what she needs: Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

Fact 1: There are clients spending money every day. But every client is not a client every day. Yes I am aware of this but it never hurts to ask the people spending the money what they want.

Fact 2: There will never be a shortage of clients, no matter how bad things get.
Well obviously you are not talking to the providers who have been doing well for years but suddenly find it hard to pay bills.

Fact 3: Knowing how people spend their money is irrelevant since men buy what they want WHEN they want. I have to respectfully disagree.. many men would love to hobby more but certain factors keep that from taking place. Because a large portion of married hobbyist have to make sure they can pidgeon hole some hobby cash, other have flucuating income levels and many many other factors. I know there will be hundreds of answers to most of my questions but as stated above it never hurts to ask the guys who are spending the cash.

Fact 4: There are rich men that have capped themselves off at a specific limit for ladies, and poor men who save up for the experience, And there are the average Joes of which most hobbyist are...What makes him decide to spend.

Fact 5: ATF's are ATF's for different reasons to different men. Yes I I want to know what those reasons are.

Fact 6: EVERY lady is someone's ATF. ... Surveys are about trends I want to see if there is a Trend

Fact 7: If she wants to find out where the traffic to certain sites are, she can get an Alexa account. Not everyone know about Alexa...Not everyone knows what you know.

When you take these facts in to consideration, all I can do is put my best foot forward, make sure my rates are at my best price points at ALL times, make sure I deliver the best service I can, and continually improve in my shortfall areas.

As far as market fluctuations are concerned, we know there are several to consider. We know there are times when our personal lives demand more attention than others. Some women can naturally say that ALL parts of the year are slow, because the summer's when the kids are at home and people are taking vacations, fall is when we're sending them back, winter's for Christmas presents and New Years resolution, and spring time is tax time where people are recovering from the holidays. Then in some places, Jewish Calendar has to be taken in consideration, since there are large populations in certain places (some Jews can't do full service during certain periods, but they can do a NQNS!). It's not slow for everybody all the time, so a lady adjusts her business to make the money she needs.
Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

I am sure that all providers wish they were as astute as you. But the truth is not all are but many are willing to learn. That's what I do is help teach them, Learn myself and try to make this a better profession for both the provider and the hobbyist. Surely no one can fault that.

So let's say she gets a sampling from here, and since ECCIE is not really representative of all clients in a particular area, especially in Texas, you will gather at certain conclusions about the way a lady should price herself, and carry herself when what she really needs to do is stand out from the others. She can't tell a girl, 'well based on my research, you should be charging this much since most guys only pay this much for ladies'. She'd be dead wrong if she does.
I am not only planning on using ECCIE. I am fully aware that ECCIE is only a subsection of the Hobbyist. I would never give a provider client advice based soley on info derived from only ECCIE.

Either you're not in the line up or you are. Either you're getting picked from the line up or you aren't. And it's funny how sometimes you're not even in the line up and still get chosen. Every dog has it's day, a ladies need to learn on an INDIVIDUAL basis what works for them, and what to do when things aren't working.
This research isn't just about getting picked from the line up. And if I could tell them why they pick when they weren't in the line up ( not saying I can or will be able to from this survey) but wouldn't that be nice.

Now there's her market research. Actually that is not my research these are your opinions that you have labeled as facts. Although most are true for many they are still not true for others. These are you facts because this is what you believe. But I prefer to research for myself.
Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

Dear Tiffany,
I am glad for all the input that has transpired due to my post for the survey and your comments about it. As I said in my PM to you I admire your perspective and your advice.

I would ask you however to please not disrespect me by belittling my efforts to understand this market. The day I can't learn something new is the day I no longer wish to exist.

I find it disheartening that you choose to speak for all hobbyist and all providers. I prefer to let the data I collect speak for it's self.

I knew there would be nay sayers because ECCIE is the place for that. I wasn't even sure anyone would answer the survey but many have.

So as much as I appreciate all your input and the dialogue that has in sued. I would ask you and anyone else... kindly not to speak for all. That is why I did an anonymous questionnaire and not a thread.

I WILL ASK ONCE AGAIN FOR YOU HOBBYIST TO CONTINUE TO FILL OUT THE SURVEY. AS I FEEL A PROVIDER SHOULDN'T BE THE ONE TO DECIDE FOR YOU. YOU ARE THE CUSTOMER.

YOUR COMMENTS ARE HELPFUL HERE AS WELL BUT I TRULY HOPE YOU WILL FILL OUT THE QUESTIONS TOO.
The last thing I want to happen here is for this to be a pissing contest between me an any other provider. So if you don't agree with my tactics I understand but please don't poo poo on my parade. Anything I am doing here if you don't wish to participate can't hurt you.
Thanks and Best Wishes.

Darling, I don't mean you any harm. You've obviously done some wonderful websites, and are dabbling into the marketing side of this business. There are some ladies who could use that advice, but no caliber of website is going to help them if they don't have THEMSELVES together. That's why it's possible that some ladies can charge 500-1K/hr with just an escortsite website with NO personal domain.
I am aware that a fancy website does not a high end provider make. I offer many services to the provider besides building sites.

And again, I must say that as a Provider Based company who has been a "marketing consultant" for years, you should know that the answers to those questions on your survey are highly individual and irrelevant. You should already be aware of the trends. Every lady in this business should know the trends and what to do during those slow times. And depending on where you post your surveys, your data can be swayed. Not every lady will be able to take the answers to improve upon her services. Not every lady's business are dependent on trends.
I don't think anyone in any business has all the answers to all the questions. Yes the answers are highly individual but not irrelevant. When you compile data all answers are relevant but when the answers line up then you have trends, then you begin to have data that represents a prevalent section of a market. I am aware of some trends but as the economy, politics, religious belief, spending habits, aging markets and so many other factors change so do the trends. You say every lady in business should know the trends but since thay are always changing it helps to research then every now again. If a business doesn't change with the time and trends many suffer what is called paradigm paralysis and begin to see a decline.
Time Keep for example . Many believe that digital time keeping or digital clocks were developed by Asian Technology when in fact it was a Swiss who first had the concept. he took it to the Swiss clock makers but they were not interested they felt they new the market.... He took it to someone who would listen....the rest is history. And even though we still use both types of time keeping digital has revolutionized the world.

This is not about any lady's business being dependent on trends . It's about knowing your market. Which is an ever changing entity. It may be the oldest profession but it has evolved through out time.

In your original post, you mention that your clients and other ladies mentioning it's slow, and wanting to know more about market fluctuations, and the like. You are very right to do so. Your line of questioning in your survey will not help you find out any of that information.
And you know that How? Plus the survey is only about knowing the market period and it is not the only survey I plan to use. First I wanted to see if I could get responses. In that I ask for emails if the wish to participate in other survey. You'd obviously be surprised at how many have said yes by including their email.

All a lady needs to know is that this is a luxury business, centered around available funds by clients on any given day, in any given season. The money's out there, and being spent on ladies. Either he's going to spend the money on you or he's going to spend it on someone else. Some ladies just stick out a bit more than others. All your clients want to know is how is she going to stick out when she's Hot Blonde with a Boob Job #125? And can YOU and your site-building expertise help her do that?

This business is not just a luxury business. Is it a luxury afforded some yes but this business is about disposable cash, human needs, companionship and so much more.

As for being Hot Blonde w a boob job #125... The majority of the providers are not "Hot Blonde with a boob job # 125. Yes there are plenty of blondes & plenty of fake boobs out there...those are the obvious trends on the provider side but you have just made my point. WHAT DOES A PROVIDER NEED TO KNOW TO NOT BE THE CLICHE AND BE SUCCESSFUL.

I hope you don't take my rebuttal as nothing else but the resistance you need to improve your business practices. It's a trait of good business people to take criticism well. BTW, it's spelled Magnifique. I'm available for proofreading on a case by case basis to help you and your clients out. Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

Tiffany I welcome your input and I am always looking to improve my business as I am sure you are. How we go about it may be different but I assure you we are on the same side.
However I will say I would never lump you into the "just another black chick with a big ass category as you did above with blonde providers who have enhanced their breast.. I find generalizing people to be offensive.
As for the spelling of my business it is spelled correctly. I chose that words purposely.

mag·nif·ic(mg-nfk) also

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Seems the thread has gotten of track a bit.

In case you wish to participate here is the link to the anonymous survey again. I think Magnific Media may be on to something..
I personally would like to understand the market better.

Hobby Survey

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I knew there would be nay sayers because ECCIE is the place for that... Originally Posted by MagnificMedia

So why would you go to a place of naysayers for improvement?

I've been on vacation for three weeks. I had no idea it was going cause this much of an issue!?

Miss Tia,

Like I said, I meant no disrespect. If I wanted to be disrespectful I would rip your whole business model to shreds (there's still room) instead of just analyzing your survey.

If I wanted to be a bigger bitch I could report all the websites you built to Wix for Adult content, which they don't allow, by the way.

If you are a provider, or ever were a provider, and don't know how to market yourself or anyone else, or know nothing about NORMAL market fluctuations and that they don't affect every woman the same way, you should not be paid for giving that advice. If you know nothing about Alexa, or any other analytic tools, then you are lost, and your business is lost. I tried to be nice and tell you that you're majoring in the minors with this one. Has it not kicked in in two threads wondering why you're asking this shit? Most of that shit is none of your business.

Yeah, I got your PM asking me for my help and to pick my brain, and that's probably the reason for the sudden attack too. I've given away too many gems in this thread to personally help you write your business plan. My services aren't free and they aren't cheap.

See, the reason I didn't respond is you can't get on here talking halfway slick, and build a flimsy survey on Jotform and call yourself a professional. You got a website full of typos, and you can't market yourself right. You might want to check out your better-equipped competition that actually knows their shit, and copy them if you can.

I never said I spoke for everyone, because anyone looking to complete your survey didn't have to even respond to my post. Since there's no Men Only restriction on the thread, and I am free to say what I feel, I shouldn't bother you at all. Those that still choose to complete the survey still have the link.

Just like every thread I've read of yours, you have also taken mine out of context. I didn't generalize anything. It's called an example. And my ass isn't big. And you did misspell Magnifique. I can tell the way you used it in your website.

Learn to control what you can (your temper, using all resources available to you), and let go of what you can't (me, and what I type on this board, and whether or not I respond to your PM's), and have the wisdom to know the difference.

....Learn to control what you can ( your temper, using all resources available to you), and let go of what you can't (me, and what I type on this board, and whether or not I respond to your PM's), and have the wisdom to know the difference. Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

Don't she talk perdy....And you should see her naked!!

So why would you go to a place of naysayers for improvement? Originally Posted by JDNorthface

because I knew that not all are nay sayers
but ECCIE does have a rep for being negative and synical at times.
And because a valued portion of hobbyist are here.

The nay sayers in my experience have seem to be other providers who can be quiet caddy to one another at times. Not all just some.

Miss Tia,

Like I said, I meant no disrespect. If I wanted to be disrespectful I would rip your whole business model to shreds (there's still room) instead of just analyzing your survey.
But your were disrespectful...As for my business model why would you waste the time.
What is it about what I do that bothers or threatens you so. Ok so you think I am not good at what I do.. I am beneath you, Stupid or ignorant in someway. I am sure you see other providers that you feel are beneath you or not a smart as you, or probably don't provide as good of service as you...but do you undermine them and reply to there threads with snarky comments or just say well anybody that sees them is not someone for me, or the hobbyist will figure it out and just go on about your happy life.
Why is what I am doing upsetting you so.

If I wanted to be a bigger bitch I could report all the websites you built to Wix for Adult content, which they don't allow, by the way.
As for notifying wix..that sounds quiet threatening but the fact is I speak to wix almost on a daily basis I have over 75 websites in my account with them they are fully aware of my sites. If you report sites with adult content the only ones they are going be concerned with are any sites that still have Wix adverts on them and none of mine do. I was told by wix as long as the sites have paid hosting there is no problem, they only concern themselves with content adult or otherwise if the site is free. So you would only be hurting the ladies ( and there are plenty) that use Wix for free. Wix has had little or no complaints about such so they are leaving things alone. I suggest you do the same because you won't be hurting me just other provider you have no beef with. I suppose the question is DO YOU WANT TO BE A BIGGER BITCH?

If you are a provider, or ever were a provider, and don't know how to market yourself or anyone else, or know nothing about NORMAL market fluctuations and that they don't affect every woman the same way, you should not be paid for giving that advice. If you know nothing about Alexa, or any other analytic tools, then you are lost, and your business is lost. I tried to be nice and tell you that you're majoring in the minors with this one. Has it not kicked in in two threads wondering why you're asking this shit? Most of that shit is none of your business.
I didn't say I don't know Alexa. I said many providers don't know Alexa. I didn't say I know nothing about the market I said I am always willing to learn. I assume you are too and that is why you yourself have a survey on you own website. I realize you tried to tell me in two post that I should stop but I can't for the life of me figure out what I am doing that bothers you so much. As for this being any of my business I think the hobbyist should decide if it is my business not you. They can simply answer or not.

Yeah, I got your PM asking me for my help and to pick my brain, and that's probably the reason for the sudden attack too. I've given away too many gems in this thread to personally help you write your business plan. My services aren't free and they aren't cheap.
I didn't ask for any help. My PM was meant as a gesture of friendship and in hopes you'd chat with me and see I am not a bad person. I complimented you and said I valued your insight because I was trying to be nice. I am so amazed that you have concerned yourself with me and pick me apart publicly but yet you don't know me at all. You have never spoken to me. We have never done buiness, shared clients that I know of... And yet you have been a total bitch by your own description and may be threatening to be a bigger one.

I didn't ask you to share any of your wisdom...AS A MATTER OF FACT I DIDN'T ASK FOR YOU TO SHARE YOUR GEMS AS YOU CALLED THEM IN THIS THREAD At ALL.
I have actually ask you nicely to just leave this alone. As for "A SUDDEN ATTACK" I have not attacked you I simply made rebuttal to your so called facts and tried to set the record straight.

See, the reason I didn't respond is you can't get on here talking halfway slick, and build a flimsy survey on Jotform and call yourself a professional. You got a website full of typos, and you can't market yourself right. You might want to check out your better-equipped competition that actually knows their shit, and copy them if you can.
So you decide who can get on here a what they can say. What gives you the authority to decide my professional status. I market myself and my businesses just fine. See I don't really see other providers as competition just other providers. As a matter of fact I am known for helping many. As for the marketing business I feel competition is healthy and I have no need to undermine their attempts at business I simply just put myself out there and let folks choose.

I never said I spoke for everyone, because anyone looking to complete your survey didn't have to even respond to my post. Since there's no Men Only restriction on the thread, and I am free to say what I feel, I shouldn't bother you at all. Those that still choose to complete the survey still have the link. But you did speak for all with your 7 so called facts. Yes you are free to say what you feel, anyone is, and I am free to bebutt what you call facts.... but the real queation here is why have you decided you need to undermine my efforts. What is the point.

Just like every thread I've read of yours, you have also taken mine out of context. I didn't generalize anything. It's called an example. And my ass isn't big. And you did misspell Magnifique. I can tell the way you used it in your website.
I wasn't trying to insult you about your ass I was trying to make the point that examples and lumping people into categories Like Hot Blonde with fake boobs #125 can be insulting.
It is generalizing when you assume that every provider looking to market themselves better is a blonde with fake boobs in fact.

MY Company Name is MAGNIFIC MEDIA
magnific is spelled correctly according to the dictionary. The way I used on my site was simply a play on words if you are referring to the sentance I think you are.
Telling me it's wrong would be like me telling you, you have spelled Tiffani wrong... Didn't you notice how many times I addressed you as Tiffany. But the truth is IT"S YOUR NAME YOU CAN SPELL IT LIKE YOU WISH.....as can I

Learn to control what you can (your temper, using all resources available to you), and let go of what you can't (me, and what I type on this board, and whether or not I respond to your PM's), and have the wisdom to know the difference. Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

As far as control I am not trying to control anything or anyone. The funny thing is I am not angry, I don't even dislike you, actually when I first PMd you I was impressed and thought you were someone I'd like to be acquainted with.

Truthfully, I had no feelings one way or the other about you responding or not responding to my PM. So I certainly had no reason to ATTACK you.
And even though I had a few folks contact me and ask what I did to piss you off ( before I ever responded to your post to this thread), I still simply responded to your direct responses to my thread and to the facts as you called them so that the record reflected both sides so to speak..

I understand the thread isn't restricted to men only but for the life of me I don't even know why you care. I can't figure out why me having a survey has caused you to even take a moment out of what seems to be a very perfect life to comment on my stuff.

Simply put a PM to me telling the things you said in the post would have been to correct way if you were really trying help otherwise you were just trying to undermine my efforts and belittle me.

I am asking very nicely and very publicly... to please let this go....

All the best Tia

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but ECCIE does have a rep for being negative and synical at times.... Originally Posted by MagnificMedia

Let's not judge a community by it's dysfunctional citizens, what do you say?

Let's not judge a community by it's dysfunctional citizens, what do you say? Originally Posted by JDNorthface

You are absolutely correct....sorry

I have been a provider for 7 yrs and i also do webdesign and SEO. I am thinking of offering my SEO and webdesign services for free because it really pisses me off that companies like yours try to take advantage of providers and charge them high rates for really crap designed websites.

Nothing against your company but i've checked out all your work and all the websites including yours look very outdated like they were made in the 90's and all are designed from WIX! LOLOL!!!!!!!!!

If you are going to charge to build websites.. code it yourself. don't use a free service like wix. lol

Fact 2: There will never be a shortage of clients, no matter how bad things get.
Well obviously you are not talking to the providers who have been doing well for years but suddenly find it hard to pay bills.
Originally Posted by MagnificMedia

If a provider has been doing this for years and has not been able to get a decent amount of Regulars to keep her afloat during the quiet times. They are doing something wrong like maybe... they are giving a bad service?

One must also learn to define things. I had a call from a provider friend who was very upset about how slow things were for her. Turns out, she felt that "only" making $1200 for the week was just unbelievably, devastatingly slow. Slow is a very subjective term. Ladies sometimes lose perspective when they get used to the money during the "milk and honey" times.

I appreciate the fact that you are trying to look into the market by conducting your survey, but I have to say that the time to do this level of market research is BEFORE you take on clients who are paying for your marketing services. I also have to chime in and agree that if I paid someone for website design, I would be furious if what I got was a template generated site that I could make for free if I had the time and inclination.

Another thing to bear in mind is that not only does the market fluctuate based on economic factors--- location is also an issue. I travel a little bit as well as maintain a home base. What I make at home, I would consider unacceptable in say, Boston for example. I am in a tough home market that is known for having one of the highest populations of providers per capita in the US. But it is home. Location has a HUGE bearing on market trends. You may be better served to attempt your surveys on a more "local" level.