demand for GFE vs non-GFE

GFE is a marketing term or gimmick.

Think Dodge, and Hemi.

Think new, improved, better.

Without that "GFE" gimmick, a gal will fall by the side and other, GFE ladies will be chosen.

Now, do we understand what GFE means? Heck no, everyone has a different idea.

I have been with a certain, banned provider in the Dallas market who many call GFE. She was not close to that for me and a lot of other guys have vocally complained about her lack of GFE qualities. (oh, and she was not banned for misleading us on GFE, totally different reasons.)

GFE has been over used, UNDER-understood, and wasted. When I read a review, an ad, etc., I ignore the letters GFE and PSE totally, They have no meaning. Originally Posted by tigercat

It's one of the reasons I look for specific actions in a review and how well they were performed. To just say she was GFE OR PSE means nothing anymore. I know the providers prefer these general terms to being explicit but since reviews are for your fellow hobbyist I prefer them that way

GFE is a marketing term or gimmick.

Think Dodge, and Hemi.

Think new, improved, better.

Without that "GFE" gimmick, a gal will fall by the side and other, GFE ladies will be chosen.

Now, do we understand what GFE means? Heck no, everyone has a different idea.

I have been with a certain, banned provider in the Dallas market who many call GFE. She was not close to that for me and a lot of other guys have vocally complained about her lack of GFE qualities. (oh, and she was not banned for misleading us on GFE, totally different reasons.)

GFE has been over used, UNDER-understood, and wasted. When I read a review, an ad, etc., I ignore the letters GFE and PSE totally, They have no meaning. Originally Posted by tigercat

Ok, I didn't want this to be another thread debating what GFE is.......
I just used the term because it was easier than saying "providers who make an effort to make the sessions seem more intimate, engage in DFK, LFK, BBBJ, cuddling and genuine conversation and actually make an effort ( or at least pretend) to connect on some level."



My main question was is it market pressure that is dictating them offering services that make them uncomfortable ? Do they feel they will not do near as well if they don't offer these services ? Is it that "these services" attracts a different clientele ?

This is such a broad topic. I enjoy what I do depending on the client. Some haven't showered all day and you can taste it on their salty skin. Thats gross. People are individual. If your clean, and nice, and open and warm, I will like you. If your a freaking weirdo, then you make my job harder. And that aint fun Originally Posted by incognito isis

I wholeheartedly agree with that statement, but a real gentleman that would want to see you for any reason GFE or not should be freshly showered and fresh for you out of respect. I have met ladies after traveling all day or having worked all day and if I could not get into a shower and prepare myself properly before meeting them, I make sure they have no problem with me using their shower and many even keep new toothbrushes, mouthwash, etc available.

I would not expect any lady to fake a good time with someone that did not have good hygienic habits. But, I do know you meet all types of hobbyists and there are some without proper manners.

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Ok, I didn't want this to be another thread debating what GFE is.......
I just used the term because it was easier than saying "providers who make an effort to make the sessions seem more intimate, engage in DFK, LFK, BBBJ, cuddling and genuine conversation and actually make an effort ( or at least pretend) to connect on some level."



My main question was is it market pressure that is dictating them offering services that make them uncomfortable ? Do they feel they will not do near as well if they don't offer these services ? Is it that "these services" attracts a different clientele ? Originally Posted by CarolinaGent

There will always be women that bow to pressure. Whether that means kissing when they don't want to or lowering rates or offering bbbj. They are not confident enough in their own abilities and offerings to weather the slow spots without caving. And that is sad and will only bite them in the ass.

If I didn't like to kiss and I felt like I HAD to kiss everyone I see I would be angry and resentful and would probably burn out very quickly.

This seems to be the situation that you are describing.

That's exactly what I was shooting for.

OTC time is a whole different can of worms. Being clear up front and not giving the impression that it is possible would probably be the best policy. Once that door opens, things can get tricky. Originally Posted by CarolinaGent

Yes, you are right. I will have let all the men know from now on OTC time is not going to happen, if you ask for it I will be puttin gyou on my do not see list.

Ok, I didn't want this to be another thread debating what GFE is.......I just used the term because it was easier than saying "providers who make an effort to make the sessions seem more intimate, engage in DFK, LFK, BBBJ, cuddling and genuine conversation and actually make an effort ( or at least pretend) to connect on some level."

My main question was is it market pressure that is dictating them offering services that make them uncomfortable ? Do they feel they will not do near as well if they don't offer these services ? Is it that "these services" attracts a different clientele ? Originally Posted by CarolinaGent

Short answer is, YES.

Even if a guy is not particularly looking for those specific services, overall, he expects he will get more enjoyment from a lady who can rise to that level.

Im not full GFE by choice and I know it does put a dent on my buisness SOME, but not much. There is people that tell me they will not see me unless Im full GFE, but Im not changing for anyone. If I do ever decide to be full gfe it will be on my terms not anyone elses. I do what I feel good about doing, If I dont enjoy doing it , it will show in my sessions that Im being fake and that is worse than doing it in the first place. As far as attraching different clientele...You can never say what you may get, its like a box of chocolates you never know what your going to get... lol....You would be surprised! I had a clean older surgeon who would see me 4 times or more a week payed over my asking and wanted BB everything, I refused and he stopped seeing me. I would`ve never expected that from him ,it just goes to show you never know... Just depends on the person and what they like. I have alot of guys that love seeing me cause im so safe, so I guess it evens out for me..

OMG............. I thought GFE was Girl Friend Experience??? Isn't that where you pay for everything, dinner, movies, flowers, candy, card, transportation and then you find out they are on their period, or have cramps, or a headache, or food poisoning from eating to much steak & lobster!?

Screw that... I'll stick to what I like to call "PROVIDER BONDING!"

The demand for GFE really just depends on the location, in my opinion....In the states, most guys want GFE....In London, they want PSE all the way....

The definition of GFE and Non GFE is in what a person wants at that time.

Yes, you are right. I will have let all the men know from now on OTC time is not going to happen, if you ask for it I will be puttin gyou on my do not see list. Originally Posted by incognito isis

If a lady told me that up front or in session... just assuming that I wouldn't be able to control myself and get "clingy"...... that session would come to a screeching, halt on the spot. One would have to be awfully full of themselves to assume that would automatically happen and would most certainly go on MY DNS list.

OMG............. I thought GFE was Girl Friend Experience??? Isn't that where you pay for everything, dinner, movies, flowers, candy, card, transportation and then you find out they are on their period, or have cramps, or a headache, or food poisoning from eating to much steak & lobster!?

Screw that... I'll stick to what I like to call "PROVIDER BONDING!" Originally Posted by Still Looking

GFE is becoming a old phrase in the hobby community..That's why I started the new catch phrase ATF Material. Not all girls will reach ATF Material Status..but the ones that do will make plenty of money in this business.

ATF Material
1.Provides plenty on the GFE Menu--Greek a Plus
2.Always looks her best
3.Always makes sure that her clients are fully satisfied
4.Pretty Smile
5.Pretty Feet
6.Provides Half-Hour Sessions to valued clients.
7.Not a clock watcher
8.Loves what she does..In the hobby for the long run
9.Always makes sure her incall is nice & neat
10.Last but not least..I have an incredible high after the session. The little voice in your head screams that I need to get her again.

GFE is becoming a old phrase in the hobby community..That's why I started the new catch phrase ATF Material. Not all girls will reach ATF Material Status..but the ones that do will make plenty of money in this business.

ATF Material
1.Provides plenty on the GFE Menu--Greek a Plus
2.Always looks her best
3.Always makes sure that her clients are fully satisfied
4.Pretty Smile
5.Pretty Feet
6.Provides Half-Hour Sessions to valued clients.
7.Not a clock watcher
8.Loves what she does..In the hobby for the long run
9.Always makes sure her incall is nice & neat
10.Last but not least..I have an incredible high after the session. The little voice in your head screams that I need to get her again. Originally Posted by hobbyprojb

Nice list

If a lady told me that up front or in session... just assuming that I wouldn't be able to control myself and get "clingy"...... that session would come to a screeching, halt on the spot. One would have to be awfully full of themselves to assume that would automatically happen and would most certainly go on MY DNS list. Originally Posted by Chica Chaser

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