Fyi..hobbyist AND providers...get info asap

**sighs** it's indeed looking like time to start cleaning up ads, profiles, social media and personal websites.
Switch to emails like hushmail or protonmail.ch etc.
Network with those you trust more than ever before and if you're a guy that fancies someone but hasn't reached out then save her info (email, website etc) and do so.
Cityvibe is gone, CL personals is gone, TER USA ads is gone too ... more might be coming. :/

Yes, it is indeed time to panic. I know you're joking and don't think this is important but for the women on this site that depend on these advertising sites, it is an incredibly stressful time right now.

Sex workers have always been known for our resiliency but it doesn't mean we aren't also scared that our income is disappearing one by one. I'm sure if your job was on the line you'd be experiencing a sense of urgency. Originally Posted by Luxie

If my job were on the line because I was posting illegal activity and bills were passed to stop me from posting I would be in the wrong business or I didn't do enough to stop it politically.

Most of the ones whining about this are the same that want to ban guns but they can't see it through gun owners that have never broken the law.

So sorry that your business is going to come to a stand still but thems the breaks.

Figure it out.


Go to P411 they are in Canada

You have to invest in your business to succeed

“Didn’t care enough to stop it politically”

Wow, you really are disillusioned.

People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.

All this running and ducking, fear mongering, and cowering is BULLSHIT!

These fuckers do the exact same thing they accuse us of doing, and worse. What makes it worse is that they do it under the guise of AUTHORITY, which makes then FRAUDS!

In the medieval days, they would yank these fuckers out of their high chairs and behead them. Now, everyone just sits back and let their 'leaders' bend them over.

At some point, the People will have to be brave enough to stand up to tyranny. Originally Posted by Randall Creed

In the news literally a few days ago we're reports of Cambridge using Ukrainian escorts to trap politicians.. that wouldn't work if said politicians weren't partaking often.

But we are the bad guys for trying to establish safe ways to transact business.

Depressing. Thankfully I have the means to travel for fun if it comes to that. Legal in Canada, just like marijuana... I can use the money I save for the higher taxes and private healthcare.

Um, this was bipartisan as it gets. Only 2 Senators (1 from each party) voted against this.

Don't try to pin this on the liberal gun grabbers.

It's the John President signing this.

Can somebody buy this guy a clue?

Scrub everything you can. There's another bill to be worried about in the Omnibus Budget Bill called the CLOUD Act.

Google it, Big Brother is getting scary.

Looks like the prepper crowd was scared of the wrong people.

If my job were on the line because I was posting illegal activity and bills were passed to stop me from posting I would be in the wrong business or I didn't do enough to stop it politically.

Most of the ones whining about this are the same that want to ban guns but they can't see it through gun owners that have never broken the law.

So sorry that your business is going to come to a stand still but thems the breaks.

Figure it out.


Go to P411 they are in Canada

You have to invest in your business to succeed Originally Posted by Gotyour6

Pretty broad brush you got there...

Not even legal to advertise in the few counties it's legal in Nevada FYI.

Leave it to the John President to sign this BS... Originally Posted by xfrankthetankx

He hasn't signed it just yet.. Its just passed the Senate. IIRC the House still has to vote on it, then it can go to the POTUS to sign.

People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.

All this running and ducking, fear mongering, and cowering is BULLSHIT!

These fuckers do the exact same thing they accuse us of doing, and worse. What makes it worse is that they do it under the guise of AUTHORITY, which makes then FRAUDS!

In the medieval days, they would yank these fuckers out of their high chairs and behead them. Now, everyone just sits back and let their 'leaders' bend them over.

At some point, the People will have to be brave enough to stand up to tyranny. Originally Posted by Randall Creed

I agree. To many people just sit back and hand more and more power over to the govt.. Its scary.

You sir need to educate yourself.

The House passed it.

The Senate passed it.

There is no need to vote again.

What is happening is that the pertinent House and Senate committee members are going through a process called reconciliation that combines the House and Senate bills as passed into one bill to send to the President for signature.

Take a frickin' government class people.

The John President has already indicated that he will sign it without hesitation as soon as it's ready for signature.

If the House and Senate had to go back and forth voting on adding or subtracting differences in the bills each pass nothing would ever get done.

Please people, educate yourselves. Our school systems are a joke. Teaching the test is not learning. Being pressured to pass every student possible with your yearly review held over your head if you don't does nothing for the education system.

This includes community colleges and universities.

The only time the pressure to pass at all costs lowers is at the graduate level.

Reconciliation is where the bill is at. Plenty of time for them to hide the President signing it during the Friday news dump.

Yes, it is indeed time to panic. I know you're joking and don't think this is important but for the women on this site that depend on these advertising sites, it is an incredibly stressful time right now.

Sex workers have always been known for our resiliency but it doesn't mean we aren't also scared that our income is disappearing one by one. I'm sure if your job was on the line you'd be experiencing a sense of urgency. Originally Posted by Luxie

selfishly I never thought of it this way, and for that, I must apologize...

but now more than ever respect your position and hope everything works out that the hobby can stay alive and well and the powers that be can focus on crimes that are hurting people not ones like this that can help horny old toads like me...

Us old hookers dont have retirement benefits or 401k plans...lol...this biz is what I enjoy and how I have a nice living....sure my SO has his income from investments but its small potatoes in comparison to what this biz brings in.....and I LUV what I do so I should be able to enjoy it as long as I want AND as long as I can!

And btw...alot of gents here who use us "hookers" have a need that can only be fulfilled safely,discretely and satisfyingly by us!

You sir need to educate yourself.

The House passed it.

The Senate passed it.

There is no need to vote again.. Originally Posted by xfrankthetankx

GEE, take a chill. I made my post before i saw the news that Trump had signed it into law..

I wouldn't be too concerned. The govt can't stop drugs, couldn't stop liquor, and definitely won't be able to stop prostitution. It's been around longer than any govt has, and will just find new avenues once any particular one is shut down.

Squirreling away current provider numbers isn't going to be worth much given how often they leave, retire/return with new numbers. The stables rotate horses too often for a list to remain valid for very long.

Well the Cloud Act just passed it destroys privacy globally so it had to be snuck into the 1.3 trillion omnibus without debate. It enables foreign police to collect and wiretap people's Communications from us companies without obtaining a warrant, and it allows foreign Nations to demand personal data stored in the United States without prior review by judge. It allows the US president To enter "executive agreements" that Empower police and foreign nations that have weaker privacy laws than the United States to Seize data in the United States while ignoring US privacy laws, it allows foreign police to collect someone's data without notifying them about it and last but not least It Empowers US police to grab any data regardless if it's a US persons or not no matter where it is stored.....how wonderful is that...

Well the Cloud Act just passed it destroys privacy globally so it had to be snuck into the 1.3 trillion omnibus without debate. It enables foreign police to collect and wiretap people's Communications from us companies without obtaining a warrant, and it allows foreign Nations to demand personal data stored in the United States without prior review by judge. It allows the US president To enter "executive agreements" that Empower police and foreign nations that have weaker privacy laws than the United States to Seize data in the United States while ignoring US privacy laws, it allows foreign police to collect someone's data without notifying them about it and last but not least It Empowers US police to grab any data regardless if it's a US persons or not no matter where it is stored.....how wonderful is that... Originally Posted by ms.rogue

Sweetheart, all of the above is accurate, but it is hardly correct.

Let me explain:

The U.S. Constitution divides our "government" into three parts.

Legislative (Congress) which passes bills which cannot become laws until signed by the

President (executive) who can sign or can veto and then have the Justice Department publish the enacted rule in the Federal Register which outlines and sets the new law into the record and thus into effect

Courts (Judiciary) which can then -- once asked via lawsuits filed by individuals, groups, corporations, associations, even other government (city or state) bodies -- to consider the constitutionality of said laws.

You can bet a dollar to a donut that the Cloud act and the changes to Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act will be tested in the Federal court system and very soon, imo.

Given the magnitude of the Cloud act you can bet more than a few federal courts will accept those suits challenging the laws -- and, again, based on what the breadth and timing of the act might be once published, many judges probably will enjoin the effective date of the act until courts hold trials and decide the challenge.

Nothing is guaranteed in the above, of course, so planning for the inevitable is a good idea.

Panic, however, is premature.

The facts of this matter are that:

Congress cannot easily suspend, amend or defeat the many Amendments within the Constitution and federal jurists pay close attention to protecting the freedoms granted by those Amendments.

Even decisions by the President (think DACA, immigration, etc.) which look to be within his power to enforce or change, can be challenged in court and enjoined or allowed depending on what the federal judge holds as allowed, or not allowed. The lower court decision can (and are) be appealed into the circuit courts and then brought to the Supreme Court.

Again, always worth planning ahead -- and being careful and cautious is the right thing to do if we want to continue hobbying and having fun.