I don't think you can "overpay" for this luxury.

One of the really great things about ECCIE is that it gives customers and suppliers a more perfect knowlege of the marketplace which leads to a more efficient economy when a well informed buyer and a well informed seller know what some good is selling for. I think I got that right....its been quite a while since Economics 101.

Also, think of it this way: if these review forums didn't exist to begin with, then the John's would be none the wiser. There are TONS of guys out there who are not even aware of ECCIE or the like. And they gladly pay the going rate. Which BTW is anywhere between 250-300 for an hour of FS. That's just it. Any lady in her right mind should never ask for less.

The "luxury" is that the guys have the benefits of getting off without the hassle of any emotional ties. That's what providers do.

Anyway, what's the big deal about getting a CBJ? I actually think it's quite respectable & responsible for a provider to keep this practice. She doesn't know where his junk has been. Nor does he know where her mouth has been. Its a simple matter of keeping it clean and being disease-spreading aware. What's wrong with that?

Also, think of it this way: if these review forums didn't exist to begin with, then the John's would be none the wiser. There are TONS of guys out there who are not even aware of ECCIE or the like. And they gladly pay the going rate. Which BTW is anywhere between 250-300 for an hour of FS. That's just it. Any lady in her right mind should never ask for less.


You're right plenty don't know about Eccie and that's why they're paying the going rate of 160 - 200 for hour. But that's back page where the experience is much less personal.


The "luxury" is that the guys have the benefits of getting off without the hassle of any emotional ties. That's what providers do.



Anyway, what's the big deal about getting a CBJ? I actually think it's quite respectable & responsible for a provider to keep this practice. She doesn't know where his junk has been. Nor does he know where her mouth has been. Its a simple matter of keeping it clean and being disease-spreading aware. What's wrong with that? Originally Posted by eroslost

Absolutely nothing wrong with CBJ if that's what you want. It's just not smart paying 300 for something you can get for 160.

"So your saying the harder we work then we can start raising are rates. So then all providers now can start going higher and higher so what was 150-200 range can now be 250-300 or now 250 can be 300 to 350 and so on.. " (quote Brittany)..

uh, hasn't that exact thing happened here in the last 2 years?

Also, think of it this way: if these review forums didn't exist to begin with, then the John's would be none the wiser. There are TONS of guys out there who are not even aware of ECCIE or the like. And they gladly pay the going rate. Which BTW is anywhere between 250-300 for an hour of FS. That's just it. Any lady in her right mind should never ask for less.

The "luxury" is that the guys have the benefits of getting off without the hassle of any emotional ties. That's what providers do.

Anyway, what's the big deal about getting a CBJ? I actually think it's quite respectable & responsible for a provider to keep this practice. She doesn't know where his junk has been. Nor does he know where her mouth has been. Its a simple matter of keeping it clean and being disease-spreading aware. What's wrong with that? Originally Posted by eroslost

First off, and there are ladies who will back this up...KISSING is much more germ infested than BBBJ...so the false impresion is CBJ is worse.

Secondly, IMO, eccie fails to provide adaquate depth in our review section. Its simply black and white, yes or no, with lots of written conjecture.

I thiink the rating is what would help dictate the market. Most guys don't want to face the wrath of the board for giving a "NO". But if they were given options of YES, NO or MAYBE...then we might see more honesty in the evaluations.

Further, perhaps a 5 point scale would be even more accurate. I would also like to see a "percentage of value" rating. IE My personal UTR-ATF currently is off the charts in value to experience quotient. And is why I tip her with a nice little personal gift everytime we meet.

My most recent non-UTR was a 5% value to 100% on the scale...paid $, was worth a 20 spot...ratings like that would move the pay scale higher or lower based on performance...and would reward the best & enourage the worst to improve....

Just my opinions, nothing more.

Bad analogy. Don't confuse seniority and experience with supply and demand. Except in seniority-based employment, you price according to demand. There are no apprenticeship or residency requirements for being a provider. It's just supply and demand. Perhaps one of the purest examples of it.

You start a job at the salary the employer is willing to pay you. Unless you're working for the government or the military or finishing a prison sentence, "time served" doesn't mean as much as those who have served it would like to think.

Someone who prices according to demand is not greedy. To not do so is stupid.

Perceived greater attractiveness is often accompanied by a higher rate. On the other hand, higher levels of service can lead to more repeat business. Providers weigh both and find the right combo that works for them.

You and I find the right combo that works for us. If there is a match, great. If there isn't, why spend time bitching about it? You can't talk down supply and demand. It is inherently recognizable and completely undeniable. Anything introduced in addition to it is a societal or cultural thing that, in the end, is just bullshit rationalization that doesn't carry the same truth that supply and demand does.

Trying to discount or be oblivious to supply and demand is like trying to discount or be oblivious to gravity. You can rationalize against it all you want, but in the end, if you drop a glass, it doesn't float up.

Sorry Luv; BULLSHIT@!!!! You don't START a job at top salary... you work, you get better, you EARN more $$ by proving you are good.. not just a new face in the lineup. Newbie providers, expecting the same pay as darlin's that have put in the time, are simply greedy and poaching on staked property! They'll learn the error of their ways in a short time when the phone is strangely silent! Originally Posted by nuglet

You don't START a job at top salary... you work, you get better, you EARN more $$ by proving you are good..

Gotta disagree in this industry depending on the age of the provider when she starts. It's somewhat "time based". If a girl is 26 when she starts, she really only has maybe 5-6 years to charge "top dollar" before she's "mature".

I started at 24 with an agency who advertised me as 18 for 350/hr (175/hr take home) for 3 months, went indie at 250/hr, went up to 280/hr that summer, 300/hr when I moved to the States and 350/hr when the demand here was too much that I spent more and more time answering emails than I had time for*. Had I started at 28+ indie, I'd have probably tested the water at 300 and then moved up to 350 after not being green anymore.

*Star Treatment packages went up in a similar manner. I'm a big stickler for my "provider math" making sense

I agree with you that these lovely ladies are providing a luxury to us. However there is a limit to what I will spend on any luxury. I won't down someone else who wants to pay something I choose not to. But for me it's simple economics, visiting porn stars charge 1500, but for that I can set up a six way with five of my favorites. These ladies I've seen and know the value of their company vs. the porn star who no matter how hot they are or how good the session, I don't believe she could come close to the six way ! So to each their own, whatever floats your boat. Originally Posted by rockerrick

A six way. I got one cock and one mouth. Sounds like a lot of girl on girl action. I'd try in the civie world but no way I pay for more then 2 at one time (maybe 3 at most) otherwise some better be making me a sandwich.

My opinion

I don't think being new should automatically mean you should have a lower rate. Just because your new doesn't mean you are worth anything less. There are many new providers who offer great services and shouldn't be penalized for being new. because all us veterans were new at one point.. if a veteran was to suddenly raise her rate 50 or so higher after being around for a few years she would be criticized here as well.. It seems ladies are criticized because they charge to much when they are starting.. then some start low and then are criticized for upping there price after stellar reviews so it seems as if your never winning. Originally Posted by Britttany_love

That's not the way I read it. He didn't state lower rates then normal cost providers he said lower prices then the HDH. some of these ladies started at the normal 2 bills and hour and their looks and services separated them from the rest so they charge 3 bills plus and still stay booked. Most guys (regardless of how hot they look) are nervous about booking time with a newbie with no reviews who's charging 3 bills an hour.

Also, think of it this way: if these review forums didn't exist to begin with, then the John's would be none the wiser. There are TONS of guys out there who are not even aware of ECCIE or the like. And they gladly pay the going rate. Which BTW is anywhere between 250-300 for an hour of FS. That's just it. Any lady in her right mind should never ask for less.

The "luxury" is that the guys have the benefits of getting off without the hassle of any emotional ties. That's what providers do.

Anyway, what's the big deal about getting a CBJ? I actually think it's quite respectable & responsible for a provider to keep this practice. She doesn't know where his junk has been. Nor does he know where her mouth has been. Its a simple matter of keeping it clean and being disease-spreading aware. What's wrong with that? Originally Posted by eroslost

As noted before, 250-350 is what ladies charge "johns that do know" on sites like this, p411 etc... The higher rate is because of the perceptions that come with these sites putting ladies and gents together. Without sites like this you have the SW, who charge next to nada (not your 250-350) and online and newspaper ladies like bp, facebook etc.. where averages are 150-250. Before just throwing generalities out there you really should get some facts.

First off, and there are ladies who will back this up...KISSING is much more germ infested than BBBJ...so the false impresion is CBJ is worse.
Originally Posted by Toyz

And a dog's mouth has less germs then ours so let's all makeout with dogs...... How many std's can you get from kissing and how life changing or threatening are they. How many std's can you get from having a load blown in you mouth, and how life changing or threatening are they? Now having said this, I book with the bbbj ladies. There are also the guys who spout all the hiv bs and how it's fake and how sex can't cause it. People will pretty much say anything to get their way, facts and truth be dammed.



Bottom line is the young and hot will be able to demand (and actually get more) Having solid reviews to go along with this will keep them busier. It is supply and demand. There isn't anything wrong with a provider asking whatever she thinks she's worth. If enough guys also believe this then she'll stay busy. If not, then she won't, in anycase it's her right to charge what she wants just like it's our right to see the ladies we want.

A six way. I got one cock and one mouth. Sounds like a lot of girl on girl action. I'd try in the civie world but no way I pay for more then 2 at one time (maybe 3 at most) otherwise some better be making me a sandwich. Originally Posted by homer13

Homer you have one cock and one mouth , but you fail to mention you have one ass and two hands. Dream big buddy. That only leaves you one to make your sandwich, or possibly referee the wrestling. And still would be more fun trying than one used up porn star.

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A six way. I got one cock and one mouth. Sounds like a lot of girl on girl action. I'd try in the civie world but no way I pay for more then 2 at one time (maybe 3 at most) otherwise some better be making me a sandwich.[/QOUTE]

Homer you have one cock and one mouth , but you fail to mention you have one ass and two hands. Dream big buddy. That only leaves you one to make your sandwich, or possibly referee the wrestling. And still would be more fun trying than one used up porn star. Originally Posted by homer13

Ok, I'm intrigued. Maybe all 5 ladies and me can get nuru'd up and wrestle. I don't do porn stars so that's not an option but still can't go more then 2-3 tops (if I'm paying, just a cost benefit analysis).

p.s.- ASS is totally off limits, hence the one cock, one mouth comment, but your right I do have the two hands and hell two feet I can throw in the mix.

p.s.- ASS is totally off limits, hence the one cock, one mouth comment, but your right I do have the two hands and hell two feet I can throw in the mix. Originally Posted by homer13

Assplay doesn't have to be totally off limits. I do agree nothing going in the out door. But tongue is fair game.

Assplay doesn't have to be totally off limits. I do agree nothing going in the out door. But tongue is fair game. Originally Posted by rockerrick

Never tried it. I do enjoy the ass tickle or massage during a fbsm session.

One of the really great things about ECCIE is that it gives customers and suppliers a more perfect knowlege of the marketplace which leads to a more efficient economy when a well informed buyer and a well informed seller know what some good is selling for. I think I got that right....its been quite a while since Economics 101. Originally Posted by Rogue_Gent

This is exactly what I was arguing AGAINST. That these encounters can NOT be commoditized. We are paying for an experience, not a product. The value of that experience will vary from person to person. A younger women DOES NOT command more "market value" than a more mature provider. Likewise, a spinner does not have more value than a BBW if the person paying for that experience worships BBWs. I started this thread because of comments made about the "value" of Sally over on Balcones and Mopac. Guys will gravitate to whatever floats their boats. And women should charge accordingly. But no hobbyist should ever criticize another for being more generous than others if he is especially fond of that provider. All I'm saying is that this is not a
typical market place. If someone has a fetish for busty, mature, Hispanic women, with hairy armpits, he will spend according to the value HE places on his personal experience with this provider. No market can place a value on this experience for him.

This is exactly what I was arguing AGAINST. That these encounters can NOT be commoditized. We are paying for an experience, not a product. The value of that experience will vary from person to person. A younger women DOES NOT command more "market value" than a more mature provider. Likewise, a spinner does not have more value than a BBW if the person paying for that experience worships BBWs. I started this thread because of comments made about the "value" of Sally over on Balcones and Mopac. Guys will gravitate to whatever floats their boats. And women should charge accordingly. But no hobbyist should ever criticize another for being more generous than others if he is especially fond of that provider. All I'm saying is that this is not a
typical market place. If someone has a fetish for busty, mature, Hispanic women, with hairy armpits, he will spend according to the value HE places on his personal experience with this provider. No market can place a value on this experience for him. Originally Posted by Robin3212003

A younger, attractive provider does command more, a spinner does command more. What your talking about is a fetish market which accounts for a smaller piece of the pie. There are much more hobbyist looking for spinners and young hotties then mature or bbw women so the laws of economics do apply. Now if the guys in the fetish market or other markets want to pay more or the ladies want to charge more then the market will prevail either way. The busier ladies are the ladies with great reviews and service to go with looks. Price also will play a part as some gents won't spend over a set amount decided which is why the HDH see less guys (don't nec make less, some make much more. It all comes down to supply and demand, what's out there and what folks are willing to pay for.

And I am willing to listen anyone's point of view. That being said, I feel privileged to voice my own. Recognizing that I might get some points... the OP is a pussy.