The Rising Price to Play

"If the newbies are charging 300/hr and getting customers, then why can't I charge 250/hr or 300/hr?" Originally Posted by VeryClean

Some guys will always be willing to pay more for fresh new pussy. However you might notice that they don't often last.

In order to sustain enough volume at those rates she better have excellent TCB and BCD. Like another poster said there seems to be another trend happening though. Higher rates and shitty service, and fewer guys willing to call it out when it happens.

I think that prices, looked at over a long enough period, have gone up. I also think that the market has stratified. Twenty years ago, prices were mostly the same. Now, you have tiers of providers. Yes, the average price has likely gone up, but the same is true with many commodities in the economy. This tendency toward inflation over a period of time has been observed for at least 250 years by economists.

My personal take is that the increase in prices has moderated somewhat in the past six months. Dallas went though a period of vigorous growth fairly late in this last ten year bull market, especially with housing prices lagging those in other cities, so we may have had the most inflation in provider pricing in the past three to four years of the bull market, not the first five.

But the Obama bull market is getting awfully long in the tooth. The yield curve is inverted, the market has made a ten percent (10%) correction in the past two weeks, etc. Economists have put the odds of a recession beginning in the next 12 months at 40 percent. There will be a recession, and with it, demand will cool, and prices will inevitably fall. It's almost as predictable as the tides. But there are huge wealth effects form a ten year bull market. And rising prices over that period would be exactly what you would expect. It's been the longest peace-time economic expansion in American history.

The fact that all hobbyists don't seem to be sharing int he good times is also telling. Like most growth in the past 39 years, most of the wealth effect has gone to those at the top of the income distribution. That's why we see girls charging $1,000 and up for their company and "middle class" prices in the $300-400/hr. range. Folks with money have lots of money these days. Working people, not so much. Like the economy as a whole.

That's quite a detailed & rigorous economic analysis of provider pricing, TexTushHog. I enjoyed reading it.

Brando and Plains45, I agree with both your posts. A lot of points in there that just make common sense even if you don't know much about the hobby.

I had a dancer recently at bfw, during the day, wanted $500 for otc activities that you can get for $200-$300. I said no thanks since the value of your service doesn't equate to your price.

ListCrawler, AdultSearch, Rub Ratings, etc...There are Pots of Gold at the end of every Rainbow, just stop putting all of your eggs in one or two baskets, and thinking ECCIE or P411 are the only Rainbows out there.

(drops mic)

Edit: “Alex, I’ll have Secret Baby for 200 please.”

I had a dancer recently at bfw, during the day, wanted $500 for otc activities that you can get for $200-$300. I said no thanks since the value of your service doesn't equate to your price. Originally Posted by ap2

There have been long debates about this in other ECCIE sub-forums but the general consensus is that if you're just focused on BCD activities, visiting an ECCIE provider offers more value for money than paying a stripper for extra activities at a strip club. Most strippers will charge more for certain activities as compared to ECCIE providers. There are exceptions to this of course and the more you visit a certain strip club and get to know the strippers/dancers, the higher the chance that you receive a "special/regular" rate. For the most part though, guys end up paying a lot more money to strippers. Therefore I'm not surprised at all that the dancer you met asked for 500 for otc activities.

An ECCIE provider (the smart ones anyway) is focused on giving you a good experience so you will keep returning to her and so you will promote her through writing encounter reports, writing posts about her in other forums etc. Her goal is not to take as much money as possible from you in your first encounter with her. She has a more long-term strategy with her clients. A stripper on the other hand is focused on extracting as much money from you as she can and doesn't worry too much about meeting you again. Again there are exceptions but this is mostly true.

It is truly economics 101. Supply and demand and as long as mongers pay $300-400 for young new talent with great looks and moderate skills then price will stay up. I for one prefer to shop at Nordstroms and never go to Walmart but that is a personal choice. I also don't buy groceries on like, I like to shop at whole foods and central market and am particular about what I put in my mouth. The beauty of America if the fools will leave it alone is the freedom we have of choice and what we do with our income and where we shop. Hobby on ladies and gentlemen!!

It's not just the rising cost, it's the dilution of value. Think about how many reviews you read where the physical expectations were met but the overall tenor makes you think, "I'm really not too keen on seeing her."

A few years ago, I would have paid 300 for sessions that were costing me 240. Nowadays, that value relationship appears to me to be inverted. (I grant you that expectations are not inflation-adjusted.) Originally Posted by Sir Lancehernot

What he said. No or few reviews, attitude, sterile, sloppy,half-assed no convo head elsewhere newbs starting at $300+ because somebody is desperate enough for a cum dump to think a lady doing him a favor for $300 is a good deal. If the price is high, so is the bar and you have to go find veterans for that qlevel of a quality experience.

What he said. No or few reviews, attitude, sterile, sloppy,half-assed no convo head elsewhere newbs starting at $300+ because somebody is desperate enough for a cum dump to think a lady doing him a favor for $300 is a good deal. If the price is high, so is the bar and you have to go find veterans for that qlevel of a quality experience. Originally Posted by phildo

Your premise suggest that either you don't believe markets work, or that there is some inefficiency that is keeping this market from working properly. The inefficiency that used to plague this market was lack of perfect, or even moderately good, information. I would not argue that this is a market with perfect information, but it's a more transparent market than many with the advent of review boards.



I think that the market for sexual services, civilian and otherwise, is reasonably efficient and the prices we see are close to market clearing prices. Of course there is a premium in the commercial market for the built in risk secondary to the legal status of prostitution and the social opprobrium that still goes with it to some degree, but those are just one of many factors that go into markets setting prices.

My 2¢ is I don’t mind paying the price if the SERVICE is great (from 1st PM to the time I head out the door after my appointment is over) I’m not asking for a magic show.

It’s simple customer service I ask for but a handful of new providers I have contacted lack the simple skill maybe it’s because I’m older.

I think also with some of the new gals coming in they just want to get the quick buck like some of the ladies you would run into back in the BP days. I also doubt we will see some of them around by this time next year.

And also don’t misconstrued my words I’m not hating on all the new ladies. Or saying that a provider can’t choose the price they set. Also yeah everything is going up faster than the rate of making a clean buck.

Side bar I honestly think we should be applauding those providers that have great customer service I don’t think they get a lot of credit.

Because people are paying it.

Economics 101. Originally Posted by pistol shot

This. /thread.

Stop getting ho'ed (no pun intended). Negotiate, negotiate, and negotiate. At the day's end, even she makes a bit less she still wins. Too many guys lose their shit over a shot at pussy.

opprobrium noun
op·​pro·​bri·​um | \ ə-ˈprō-brē-əm \
Definition of opprobrium
1 : something that brings disgrace
2a : public disgrace or ill fame that follows from conduct considered grossly wrong or vicious
Collaborators with the enemy did not escape the opprobrium of the townspeople.
b : CONTEMPT, REPROACH
The bombing of the church was met with widespread opprobrium.

For those who were afraid to ask. My GA education didn’t cover that one!

It has always been true that many, if not most, providers seek to maximize their earnings and minimize their effort. Women who put pleasing the client first, making sure that he has an exceptional experience, giving him a reason to return, have always been few and far between.

I suppose that just comes with a job where something that one person does once or twice a month, if not less frequently, is also something that his partner does as once, twice, eight times a day. There's just no way a provider can credibly pretend to enjoy sex with the same degree of enthusiasm.

It just seems to me like experiences are decidedly more often on the left side of the bell curve, while pricing is to the right.

I'm working up my thoughts for a porn-is-better-than-real-sex post, lol.

It has always been true that many, if not most, providers seek to maximize their earnings and minimize their effort. Originally Posted by Sir Lancehernot

Unfortunately, the current crop of pimps are not smart enough to do this. The quality of pimps has really gone down over the years.

Your premise suggest that either you don't believe markets work, or that there is some inefficiency that is keeping this market from working properly. Originally Posted by TexTushHog

Or there's another market dynamic.

As Sir LanceHerNot pointed out, there's a cheap (free) alternative to this market.

If you believe, as Phildo stated, that there is a "veteran" section of the market that behaves differently from "non-veterans," then perhaps we're seeing supply/demand from a different perspective.


EDIT: Oh, and if you've thought about seeing Teressa Pena, just go. She's great.