Raven hmm oh yeah

Ironic

A chip on my shoulder? You insult me and I bring to light your contradictory reports which,by the way, you never responded to...?

You mentioned "Holly", wasn't that drama between Sugar and Holly? I think I am beginning to see a trend here.
Oh, I haven't barfed anything. I read her post and that is not at all the way she has been texting me.
I call it as I see it.
But..ah.. I see you both as contradictory now. Birds of a feather.
"Trashing Sugar" not at all. I wish her the best. She was great the entire time she was at my place. The new adjustment hasn't been easy on her and I have been made to feel it, is all I am saying.
I have also noted that Sugar is the only provider you have ever posted on in a year.....hmmmmmm

I did post on you as well. You did a decent job and I appreciated it. I mostly went because of Sugar. As I have said in previous reviews, Sugar is outstanding at what she does and I don’t need to look further. I did the 4 hand with you as a courtesy to her and to help build your 4 hand client base. You’re welcome.
As far as the “Holly drama”, you can read back for yourself if the posts are still there. I believe that was about 4 years ago, and I don’t recall that it had anything to do with Sugar. As far as I am aware and have noticed, you are the only person that ever had an issue with Sugar, now or in her past when she went by a different name. In fact, her reviews under her old name used to still come up a year ago when I found her. All stellar, which is why I went to her in the first place.

As far as your private messages to each other, if your messages to her are anything like the hateful remarks you have made here, then I would say you’re just as much to blame. Can you legitimately say your messages to her have been full of bright inspiration, Grace and light? If not, then perhaps you need to keep the chick drama amongst yourselves and not air it on public forum. Just a thought.

Also, you mentioned something about “smelling a rat”? Generally the smell washes away with a shower and good feminine hygiene. If it’s that bad you should probably see your gynecologist.

Think you are referring to Sugar. Raven is much older, pretty sloppy in the body and has no tattoos that I could see. She also has greasy straight black hair.
Sugar is milfy, firm and athletic. She has long reddish hair she usually wears curly, but up in a ponytail during the massage, and she has several tattoos. Sugar was working out of the same spot as Raven for almost a year. She is now moved across town to a better location with less drama. Originally Posted by 8dbll

Sometimes it's a bitter pill to swallow that these girls are doing you a favor just by giving you a rub n tug. It's a whole lot easier to feel better about oneself by dehumanizing someone else. I've seem this over and over. Or it could be subterfuge business tactics.

Sometimes it's a bitter pill to swallow that these girls are doing you a favor just by giving you a rub n tug. It's a whole lot easier to feel better about oneself by dehumanizing someone else. I've seem this over and over. Or it could be subterfuge business tactics. Originally Posted by Rooter

Bingo ! We have a Winner.

Members while this conversation has been spirited Insults are not acceptable let’s stop while we are ahead

Just to let you know, in reference to Nelson not reviewing me, when someone asks about leaving a review about me, I ask them not to. I don't like to draw that much attention to myself or what I do. I do well enough without all the reviews. I am not positive if Nelson was one or not, I don't keep track of all those I have told that to.

I am staying out of this other than the olive branch I already offered. I believe Raven and I are at a quiet peace with one another and, no matter an issue between providers who have worked together, do NOT support openly attacking anyone (especially another provider) on public forum. This is our business and should stay between us.

That said, it seems there is a bit of hypocrisy going on with sticking up for one provider (which is fine and gentlemanly), and accusing others of “dehumanizing”, then turning around and insinuating the other provider is responsible (without providing any proof). So you’re criticizing a person for being “dehumanizing “ to one while openly and baselessly accusing someone else of something that could affect their business.

Gentlemen, two wrongs do not make it right. And I do not appreciate the implication. This is the last I will respond to this matter as I feel it has been blown up to beyond ridiculous.
Raven has been, and always will be, a wonderful provider. She and I are both mature women and we can handle our personal relationship without client interference, further insults, or recriminations. Unless you all think it is just cool to see two women who were once close be at odds…?

I appreciate you all, as I know Raven does as well. I believe I speak for us both when I say that you won’t find two more quality sensual massage ladies. We both strive to offer our clients the best and most personal experiences. I sincerely hope that everyone affected by this thread can move forward and let dust settle. It is not productive and further comments would only be an effort to continue to prick responses and instigate further hostilities.

Sincerely, Riley.

I would like to offer HairyBear2022 a free 60 minute massage with Raven. I will take care of compensation and tip. Please text me if you would like to se this up, provider Raven is in agreement with this…

I need to try and impersonate Hairy Bear, lol just kidding.

Best wishes too both u gals.

I am staying out of this other than the olive branch I already offered. I believe Raven and I are at a quiet peace with one another and, no matter an issue between providers who have worked together, do NOT support openly attacking anyone (especially another provider) on public forum. This is our business and should stay between us.

That said, it seems there is a bit of hypocrisy going on with sticking up for one provider (which is fine and gentlemanly), and accusing others of “dehumanizing”, then turning around and insinuating the other provider is responsible (without providing any proof). So you’re criticizing a person for being “dehumanizing “ to one while openly and baselessly accusing someone else of something that could affect their business.

Gentlemen, two wrongs do not make it right. And I do not appreciate the implication. This is the last I will respond to this matter as I feel it has been blown up to beyond ridiculous.
Raven has been, and always will be, a wonderful provider. She and I are both mature women and we can handle our personal relationship without client interference, further insults, or recriminations. Unless you all think it is just cool to see two women who were once close be at odds…?

I appreciate you all, as I know Raven does as well. I believe I speak for us both when I say that you won’t find two more quality sensual massage ladies. We both strive to offer our clients the best and most personal experiences. I sincerely hope that everyone affected by this thread can move forward and let dust settle. It is not productive and further comments would only be an effort to continue to prick responses and instigate further hostilities.

Sincerely, Riley. Originally Posted by OneSweetRub

I was the only one that used the term dehumanizing that I'm aware of. It wasn't meant as derogatory toward the poster.it is more a abstract term describing how lots of mongers think. But even if someone thinks a provider isn't their cup of tea, I dont see any value in describing them in such derogatory terms as "greasy hair" and "sloppy in the body". I also don't see any value in asking them to apologize. After they give you that glimpse into their mindset what's the point in giving in to that.
I obviously can't read the posters mind. I dont know them. But there's only a few reasons to come across like this and none are positive. There is a difference in describing someones looks and describing their actions toward other! I should say too I've never seen either provider and have next to no interest in just a massage. But to each his own.

Tell me more about this older MILF redhead! Originally Posted by redhawk348

The Raven i was referring to has disappeared from the hobby i assume.

This thread was like the classic cartoon snowball, that just kept getting bigger as it rolled down the mountain.