If we preferred politeness then a thread like this would not exist. If we preferred truth we would know that a thread like this is unlikely to get us to that either. Originally Posted by discreetgentYou are half right...Let's see if we can get this linear.
I won't mention any names, but it cracks me up when I tell the truth on this forum and get told I'm a jerk or an ass or I lack civility,but the truth isWord~
(in my best Jack voice)
"(Some people) CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!"Originally Posted by atlcomedy
Should people be able to have opinions? Absolutely, but should they be able to charade them as facts? Or hide behind the completely shallow cover of ''Prove me wrong" Prove that a cow can not jump over the moon.LMAO, you should check out newsbusters.org, the legacy media does this every single day, day in, day out.
The problem with this kinda of protectionism for idiotic statements is that it leads to folks like Jenny McCarthy making misleading statements under the guise of , "That is my BELIEF!" Politeness towards ignorance in this case leads to more and more parents not getting their kids childhood shots and viruses that were almost eradicated are now making a come back. All because people like Oprah (who had McCarthy on her show) were to lazy to check facts or to polite to tell Jenny she was being an idiot.
So my question , do we prefer the truth or politeness? Originally Posted by WTF
it allows those idiots WTF speaks of to act as if they actually know what they're talking about. Then if someone dare call them on their bs, we are being judgemental...uh no we are being honest so deal with it lol.All this time I thought this thread was started to elicit some intellectual debate on the topic and not to go after specific individuals. Thank you, London, for clarifying it for me; much obliged.
Should people be able to have opinions? Absolutely, but should they be able to charade them as facts? Or hide behind the completely shallow cover of ''Prove me wrong" Prove that a cow can not jump over the moon.i prefer truth , because pretending to know something when in fact you don`t is in my opinion more rude than anything.
The problem with this kinda of protectionism for idiotic statements is that it leads to folks like Jenny McCarthy making misleading statements under the guise of , "That is my BELIEF!" Politeness towards ignorance in this case leads to more and more parents not getting their kids childhood shots and viruses that were almost eradicated are now making a come back. All because people like Oprah (who had McCarthy on her show) were to lazy to check facts or to polite to tell Jenny she was being an idiot.
So my question , do we prefer the truth or politeness? Originally Posted by WTF
I have done many seminars on speaking and discussions (because my job required so) and a very clever coach has once told me that the people who are always polite and wait til the other has spoken to an end are just the ones who will be overrun by the ones who don`t do such things . because REAL LIFE does not play by such rúles and someone who can`t handle when things go a little rough will never be really really successful or challenging. People don`t get on top of things or finish educations because they always wait until everyone else had its takes.All this time I thought this thread was started to elicit some intellectual debate on the topic and not to go after specific individuals. Thank you, London, for clarifying it for me; much obliged. Originally Posted by discreetgentintellectual debate? when and where?
you scare me......
and so you think its ok when one person cries wolf but the other person is not allowed to do so? some people are attention seekers for attention`s purposes and some have discussions for the matter of the essence of it and the topic. And some people just can`t admit to be the first one, while i`ll admit to be mostly the latter but also sometimes the first.......
All this time I thought this thread was started to elicit some intellectual debate on the topic and not to go after specific individuals. . Originally Posted by discreetgent
If you debate their idea's and all they do is cry that you are attacking them, how do you get accross to them that you are not attacking them personally..... all you are doing is shooting down rubbish? People like that feel attacked if they are questioned. That is their modus operandi.
Originally Posted by WTF
I do not want to make this about any one person Originally Posted by WTFThen why on earth mention any names anywhere? http://eccie.net/showpost.php?p=985671&postcount=7 and yes I saw the
there. (and it could have been anyone, would have been just as contrary to your statement above)
It was started to address the issues of (in)politeness. From my POV, the (in)politeness in stating something with no basis in fact. Or stating something about science so obviously wrong , yet not having the backbone to admit your lack of understanding on the subject when pointed out to you. There is nothing wrong with admitting you are less than skilled in a subject matter. But to not do so and then hide behind the shield of it being one's opinion further compounds matters, especially when you claim people are being rude for pointing out the obvious. It is just throwing up a straw man to hide one's initial failure in fully comprehending a subject.i agree
I do not want to make this about any one person but there are things people can have opinions on, such as your favorite color , but there can be no opinion on what constitutes say primary colors you can't let go unchallenged someone claiming yellow is a primary color.
politely and respectfully i agree
