It's time...

Hobby wise....it is easy to get the two confused. There are so many emotions involved in giving ourselves to each other. Sometimes it can be tough to keep the two separated...you just have to do it.[/quote]

Reese, you framed it up exactly how I see it, too. Damn, it does get confusing....Lust? Love? I know what others have said so far; putting each in their own seperate neat little compartment measured by a definition suitable perhaps for themselves only for the time being. For me, as of late, they have become a swirling blend of one; inseperable.

And how I wish that were not the case.

Perhaps I need to take a leave of absence from the hobby world for a while. Cleanse myself of the confusion.

However....before I make that commitment.....anyone planning a smoking hot special this coming weekend??? Spring is nigh upon us....and I feel love/lust is in the air.

Let it roll, baby, roll.....

Lust is a disease and love is its treatment. I am infected often..... I just need a cure.

i agree w/ what invisible1 and dallas rain said, the C.S. Lewis' quote [thanks elysa], and esp. hookem69horn's last lines...
Love is ... making love.
Lust is ... fucking.

that's similar to my comment on the "ever just wanna make love" thread.
http://eccie.net/showthread.php?p=2259553#post2259553
there is a big difference between fucking, sex, and love.
fucking is primal, sex is physical, and love is emotional/personal.
lust is just wanting to get it on for the short-term primal and/or physical benefits.
love is for the long-term benefits.

if you are willing to unconditionally give up some part of yourself for another, then it's love. otherwise, it's just lust.

i prefer to be in love but will generally accept to be in and satisfy my lust most anytime.


my "Love Quote of the Day" widget on my iGoogle page had these today....
"Love is an irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired." -- Robert Frost.
"We waste time looking for the perfect lover, instead of creating the perfect love." -- Tom Robbins in "Still Life with Woodpecker" [a great story about how to make love last]
"Love is a state of mind." -- Francis Ceniza

iGoogle gadgets http://www.google.com/ig/directory?type=gadgets
search for "love quotes"


sending love to all of you!!!!
and lust to some of you!!! :^) :^)

Love is a feeling of being more complete when in an extended relationship with another person. Love does not have to be sexual, but in a relationship between a man and a woman it often is sexual. Love is when the needs, feelings, emotions and dreams of the the other person are as important one's own own needs, feelings, emotions and dreams. Originally Posted by Invisible1

The media has twisted the term love so much that the mainstream doesn't really know what it is. Indeed many say "Love" as the movies define it does not exist. I tend to agree what the movies protray is highly doubtful. But I do believe love exists and how Invisible1 descirbed it is the best and shortest description I have seen. But I'm gonna ad my two-cents anyway because I love to butt-in.

Many other societies have different views on love. In some African tribes it is believed that love is what happens between 2 people of the same gender. Spouses are contractual arrangements to concieve and raise kids and handle sexual urges. They feel love between a man in a woman is insane. The romans had something like 20+ words for love, the most commonly known one is Eros, which Elyssa was kind enough to go over already. So the whole thing is insanely complicated.

Personally, it could be said that how I feel towards my friends is love, and indeed it fits with what Invis said. And I have lusted before, but not as often as one might think a guy would. The only "real" persons I have just lusted over are Justin Jolie and Olivia Wilde. Other than that if I have any interest in a woman I try to find out as much about them as possible. And any girl I have tried to court I have rarely ever thought about in sexual ways. Don't get me wrong, I had some lust for them, but the thought of "I wonder how she looks naked." Was weaker than the thought "I wonder how she is doing, right now?" Now it seems like I might be weird in that way considering how guys seem to only care about sex, but on the other hand the male side of our culture, and in fact many cultures, do not encourage emotional exploration beyond, "Me happy! Me Angry! Me Horny!" So if a guy feels something outside those vague emotions then he has no way to express them. He might as well be 9 years old trying to figure out why his stomach his stomach feels funny when she's around.

What I look for in a lover is someone I can be best friends with, make love to and fuck silly when the time is right.

It's actually kind of weird, when I am away from my ATF I keep thinking of all these dirty things I want to do to her, but when I am with her, I just want to sit and talk. Yeah, that one is knew to me.

So, the whole point of my essay is this, lust is easy to identify. Love is not!

I disagree with some others here that love is emotional, and lust physical. I don't think it's that easy. I believe that lust can be emotional, but it is a selfish emotional need, not a giving emotional need.

Love and lust become messy because...

It is possible for a man to lust after a woman, and know that it is lust.
It is possible for a man to love a woman, and know that it is love.
It is possible for a man to believe he is in love with a woman, while in reality it is lust.

In other words, belief in love often blinds us to the reality of lust. (I think this is true of women as well.)

For me, knowing I am in love occurs when; I realize that she has faults, and I know what those faults are. When i'm not only willing to accept those faults, but to cherish them, as they are who she is... I am in love!

Love is what happens when you're not having sex.

That I ask this question.... I would love to know how many of you men can tell the difference between lust and love.. Only because I see a lot of people confusing the two.. So what are your thoughts? Ladies please feel free to chime in also... Originally Posted by fawn

I pay for lust, love is free...

Away from the hobby....I think love and lust can go hand in hand. I have been in love and still lusted after her. I have F*cked the woman I love and made love to her as well.


Hobby wise....it is easy to get the two confused. There are so many emotions involved in giving ourselves to each other. Sometimes it can be tough to keep the two separated...you just have to do it. Originally Posted by Reese Foster

The above statements are why I LOVE to LUST after Reese...

Lust is our BCD activities...love is you inviting me to have drinks and dinner afterwards.

Love is unconditional.
Lust is by the hour, has various stipulations and consultant fees.

Lust is our BCD activities...love is you inviting me to have drinks and dinner afterwards.

and then going back to the room and fucking each others brains out!

Love is using a feather

Lust is using the chicken

I disagree with some others here that love is emotional, and lust physical. I don't think it's that easy. I believe that lust can be emotional, but it is a selfish emotional need, not a giving emotional need.

Love and lust become messy because...

It is possible for a man to lust after a woman, and know that it is lust.
It is possible for a man to love a woman, and know that it is love.
It is possible for a man to believe he is in love with a woman, while in reality it is lust.

In other words, belief in love often blinds us to the reality of lust. (I think this is true of women as well.)

For me, knowing I am in love occurs when; I realize that she has faults, and I know what those faults are. When I'm not only willing to accept those faults, but to cherish them, as they are who she is... I am in love! Originally Posted by 69er

There are so many good answers here! But in this line of work the lines can become cloudy very quickly for some
even though you are paying for her time..I think the whole GFE experience can give someone a false illusion if they
are not careful.. It is nice to see a few of you guys have nailed it. well at least in my book..

But in this line of work the lines can become cloudy very quickly with some men and women.. Even though you are paying for her time..I think the whole GFE experience can give someone a false illusion
if they are not careful.. It is nice to see a few of you guys have nailed it. well at least in my book.. Originally Posted by fawn

Amen to that, sister Fawn....amen.

Maybe esteemed Eccie review leader, Daaaaaman, has it down pat: One and Done. Rarely Repeat, if ever (now he may but we hear little if ever if he does see a provider more than once let alone multiple times.) Yep! All Lust, All the Time......allowing zero opportunity for the repeated GFE experience with a regular to ever become confused with this silly notion that you might actually have feelings (Love?) for a woman who has chosen the career of being a provider. Afterall, things of that ilk are only possible in Hollywood-penned fantasies such as the improbable cinematic romances, Moulin Rouge and Pretty Woman.

Okay....too early in the day to go on a rant. Sorry.
What were we talking about anyway?



Fuck Yaaaaaa!!!!!

I agree with Fawn's comment above ... I suspect, at one time or another, most of us have had to take a step back and look at a situation (with a Provider, or Hobbyist) ... I know I have and it is very difficult to keep those proverbial lines from running together, or distinguishing between reality and the illusion.

Well thanks for the education. I always thought the difference was about 3 inches. Shows what I know.

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