So whats up with non gfd and exrta for gfd?

I agree with Lacy, set your rate for what the guy can expect. This is not like buying a car where I will pay for the extras.

I dont understand it.

If you dont like it.. dont offer it.
If you do enjoy it.. offer it on ur menu included in your rate.

Any girl that charges more.. obviously doesnt enjoy it.. therefore why would u want to book with someone who doesnt enjoy doing it? Its basically u paying her to fake more.

And that VERY sexy Shayla is right... they do it.. because someone out there will still pay it. Originally Posted by LusciousLacy

Lacy, if you mean upsell for GFE/PSE, at one point I would agree with you. I wholeheartedly agree that if you wouldn't do it in your personal life, you should never do it for any price.

As far as the rates are concerned, either way is a toss-up, because some people really don't have business sense. I've seen low-priced girls whose rate cards include quickie rates and top out at an hour get reamed out on the boards because they're normal prices are 150/hr non-GFE but with GFE/greek it's 400/hr or 200 for 15 minutes because she admittedly didn't like it. And sometimes thoughts on pricing is indicative of their influences when they get into the business. Being all-inclusive isn't the first thought that comes to mind. Some girls just have to catch up.

Then in some markets some girls don't think that longer dates are possible because of the clientele they get. Since there are more guys who can afford cheaper girls, they feel better off catering to that kind of market, and upselling for extras. Instead of realizing that maybe it's how they market themselves that they're not attracting that type of clientele. Sometimes it's all about confidence.

Or we could both be wrong, and they're just opportunistic. There is a market for non-GFE girls. Take the bodyrub girl who charges 150/hr. IF a guy wants to extend his date to included more GFE or PSE adventures, is she wrong to tell him it's going to be double the price? If the client gets mad that she upsells, is it his fault for wanting full service from a bodyrub girl?

The girl defends herself by saying why charge for the Value Meal when all the guy wants is a sandwich... does it make it okay for the non-GFE lady to upsell?

Tiffani, you are right. There are a lot of reasons for a provider setting a certain fee for a certain level of services in a given time period. But the bottom line is you should not meet with a provider who doesn't enjoy doing what you enjoy and want her to do and if her fee and surcharges reflect her lack of enjoyment of those services, dont waste your time. If the donation is relatively high but she is limiting certain services unless you pay more, chances are she really is not turned on by those services.

Tiffani, you are right. There are a lot of reasons for a provider setting a certain fee for a certain level of services in a given time period. But the bottom line is you should not meet with a provider who doesn't enjoy doing what you enjoy and want her to do and if her fee and surcharges reflect her lack of enjoyment of those services, dont waste your time. If the donation is relatively high but she is limiting certain services unless you pay more, chances are she really is not turned on by those services. Originally Posted by whitechocolate

BOOM. That's it. But at certain price points, some are not concerned whether she enjoys herself or not. As long as they can get what they want for cheap, they're good.

But high price is in the eye of the beholder. My rate is 300, but I am comfortable with all activities at this rate too. In some markets, I'm cheap considering my level of service and ambiance. I would be comparable to most 500 ladies in other cities.

Then some are not comfortable, and that's because we're all different. Some ladies can command 400 and not offer PSE or Greek. At one time I wondered why a girl would charge 400, and upsell a "VIP" package for an extra 100, and honestly you would be amazed that some ladies in that price range are, in fact, high volume. Taxing services that aren't normal keeps them from going from 500 to 700/hr all inclusive, or having a 2 hour minimum.

I've learned in this industry you can't hate a player, you just have to play on the right team. There's someone for everyone.

Tiffani, you are absolutely correct. If a guy can get what he wants for a low donation, it doesnt matter if the gal hates doing it. My point is that if a guy has to bargain with a provider based on her surcharges for what he wants, he should not waste his time in most instances but not always. The bottom line for the guy is to get exactly what he wants for what he considers a fair donation. If he has to bargain for it, he might still do it but the service will probably not be as hottt as if the provider truly loved doing that service and offered it without an upcharge. There are no absolutes here and some gals are great actresses even if they hate doing what you desire and sometime the guy has few other options at that moment.

I dont understand it.

If you dont like it.. dont offer it.
If you do enjoy it.. offer it on ur menu included in your rate.

Any girl that charges more.. obviously doesnt enjoy it.. therefore why would u want to book with someone who doesnt enjoy doing it? Its basically u paying her to fake more.

And that VERY sexy Shayla is right... they do it.. because someone out there will still pay it. Originally Posted by LusciousLacy

Well said LL

I see your point Sexy Tiffani. I just stick with one rate... if i like something... its on the menu.. if i dont.. then there is no amount of $ that will change my mind... its just not going to happen.

Plus... having one rate.. makes it easier to know what is expected. I dont have to risk being underpaid or thinking i was underpaid because joe blow wanted this and that but not this or that and i didnt have a calculator to figure out his total LOL

Just give me my donation and lets boink like 2 wild monkeys on a viagra overdose during mating season. LOL!!!

Lacy well put. A guy knows exactly what he is getting himself into with you and for how much. No confusion just all out erotic mayhem

Or we could both be wrong, and they're just opportunistic. There is a market for non-GFE girls. Take the bodyrub girl who charges 150/hr. IF a guy wants to extend his date to included more GFE or PSE adventures, is she wrong to tell him it's going to be double the price? If the client gets mad that she upsells, is it his fault for wanting full service from a bodyrub girl?
Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

I'm with you Tiffani. This isn't really upselling to me. If I book a FBSM for a specific rate that's what I should expect to pay. If I change my mind and want to go FS/GFE the lady has every right to charge me more. Now if she says she's GFE and then starts asking for more money for BBBJ or DFK then that's upselling. I just say no and include that practice in a review.

I see your point Sexy Tiffani. I just stick with one rate... if i like something... its on the menu.. if i dont.. then there is no amount of $ that will change my mind... its just not going to happen. Originally Posted by LusciousLacy

And that's how the west was won... Such a smart lady!

Just give me my donation and lets boink like 2 wild monkeys on a viagra overdose during mating season. LOL!!! Originally Posted by LusciousLacy

I like it!

And whatever activities happens is a matter between two consenting adults.... I want to be able to really mean it when I say 'Yes! Yes! YES!'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoqDY...eature=related

K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Stupid lol

We are men and we like it to be simple. One rate with what to expect is much simpler. P411 allows everyone on both sides to make it simple. Ladies can put their rates and activities they offer and the guys can fill out their info to let ladies know what he expects.

I see your point Sexy Tiffani. I just stick with one rate... if i like something... its on the menu.. if i dont.. then there is no amount of $ that will change my mind... its just not going to happen.

Plus... having one rate.. makes it easier to know what is expected. I dont have to risk being underpaid or thinking i was underpaid because joe blow wanted this and that but not this or that and i didnt have a calculator to figure out his total LOL

Just give me my donation and lets boink like 2 wild monkeys on a viagra overdose during mating season. LOL!!! Originally Posted by LusciousLacy

I agree Lacy for me as well I just stick with one rate keeps things simple for me.But,every lady does what works for her and it is up to the guys if they want to pay for additional services or not.I will say if you advertise GFE then there should not be additional fee for what is usually covered under "GFE".I have seen reviews where the guy said the provider advertised GFE but everything was additional kissing(more$)touching(more $)etc.and some guys will stay and pay all of the extras.Then there are others who will not pay for that type of upsell which is what it is IMO.
Now,if it is something normally not offered by the provider and the guy is interested in and she requests an additional fee I do not see a problem with that but my other scenario I described is an upsell IMO.
Didn't have a calculator to figure out his total.lmao!

I have a special for B&G with NO GFE. I just let my client know hh and up its all GFE/PSE. But my rates are lower than most. I am happy with it though.

Just give me my donation and lets boink like 2 wild monkeys on a viagra overdose during mating season. LOL!!! Originally Posted by LusciousLacy

Limited Non-GFE sessions like B&G type for a lower set rate are appropriate and a great way to get acquainted prior to the full GFE type session which should be at one set rate for everything the provider is willing to offer.