I find it funny....

I just think the trigger happy presumption by many that a guy is trying to win favor with a provider just because he takes her side in something is a weak form of logic and is the Eccie equivalent of 'Oh, yeah?'.....in other words, "I don't have a comeback for that". Originally Posted by starlitejazz

Then please explain what their reason is for doing it? We're not talking about agreeing with a provider. We're talking about defending her when you have no idea what actually happened. Just because you like a provider and have great times with her does not mean that everybody is so lucky. So when the unlucky one post a review detailing a crappy attitude along with very sub-par performance a WK will jump in telling us how this can't be accurate and how wonderful she is. How about STFU and let this hobbyist tell of his experience. I saw into this a while back and it turned out the WK had never submitted a review. I was not the reviewer but I told the WK that if he sees her as often as he claims and thinks she is all that and a bag of chips then submitt his own damn review. WK's are also great at joining a debate or argument and regardless of how ridiculous the providers stance is he takes up for her and tries to help her out of the hole she has dug. It becomes so obvious that no matter what a provider says or does the WK will be there to help protect her from any criticism.

I find it funny that if you defend a provider's stance in a thread against the pack of wolves, a lot of them whip out the 'white knight' label. They insist you must have been with her and are now whipped into agreeing with everything she says. So you should be ignored on that basis alone. Convenient.

It has happened to me and oddly I haven't been with any of the providers over whom I was labeled a WK. Should we also assume that the wolves are so adamantly against this provider because she would NOT see them?

Instead of assuming we are WK's though, they should consider this possibility.

Maybe, just maybe, we think they're wrong and we think the provider is right on the issue. I know this seems radical, but this is America.

Ladies, what do you think of the WK label? Originally Posted by starlitejazz

OK, the OP doesn't limit this to reviews. I know there are times I agree with ladies on this board and times I disagree with ladies (sometimes violently) on this board. Just because I defend a lady's position in the threads does not mean I'm a WK, nor is that true of anyone else. In some cases, b/c I know I've agreed with the lady in the past, my first reaction is to agree with her. The same is true about disagreement with certain ladies.

Any man who uses "white knight" as an insult instantly goes onto my DNS list. The idea that defending a woman's honor or reputation makes a man weak is not only disgusting, it's the creed of cowards and losers. Originally Posted by AngelOK

@Angel & Naomi--I have used it in the past. Probably haven't used the term w/in the last year. But I do reserve the right to use it if appropriate. So, put me on you DNS list also.

I guess you don't have that issue since you haven't reviewed anyone. Originally Posted by burkalini

As mentioned above, the OP didn't limit this thread to reviews. I admit that is where most of the drama arises. But just b/c PJ defends Olivia in a thread in the (political) Sandbox doesn't mean he's WKing her. But the accusation could be lodged.

Any man who uses "white knight" as an insult instantly goes onto my DNS list. The idea that defending a woman's honor or reputation makes a man weak is not only disgusting, it's the creed of cowards and losers. Originally Posted by AngelOK

And what if a Provider A whips out that moniker because a hobbyists defends Provider B against knowingly false rumors that A is spreading? And Provider A proclaims herself to be drama free...

Yeah. Whatthefuckever.

Delete...bad girl Originally Posted by Sweet N Little

Shame on you!

I think it depends on the context of the discussion or thread.

If someone is defending a provider with the selfish motive of ingratiating himself with that provider, then the white knight label is appropriate.

Sometimes a provider falls victim to hobby vampires and it's just doing the right thing to voice condemnation of such behavior.

The whole "white knight" thing is just a weird message board dynamic. I have met many providers from this board. Even banged them! LOLz. Wouldn't I be more inclined to defend them rather than some dudes I have never met and probably never will? Originally Posted by mwebber

Ha Ha Ha, I just want to laugh at that, cause it's so true. Besides if someone doesn't want to agree with me on a subject or calls me a WK. I don't know them and they don't know me. My middle finger is always available for them to sit on it and spin.

Then please explain what their reason is for doing it? We're not talking about agreeing with a provider. We're talking about defending her when you have no idea what actually happened. Just because you like a provider and have great times with her does not mean that everybody is so lucky. So when the unlucky one post a review detailing a crappy attitude along with very sub-par performance a WK will jump in telling us how this can't be accurate and how wonderful she is. How about STFU and let this hobbyist tell of his experience. I saw into this a while back and it turned out the WK had never submitted a review. I was not the reviewer but I told the WK that if he sees her as often as he claims and thinks she is all that and a bag of chips then submitt his own damn review. WK's are also great at joining a debate or argument and regardless of how ridiculous the providers stance is he takes up for her and tries to help her out of the hole she has dug. It becomes so obvious that no matter what a provider says or does the WK will be there to help protect her from any criticism. Originally Posted by Budman

The issue is not defending her regarding a bad review, the issue is stepping up and saying something when the usual suspects are totally trashing a provider on the board. There is no excuse to trash someone at all. If one can not objectively, yet critically articulate ones point of view without using insults and profanity while at the same time trying to destroy someones character than one should stay off the boards.

Hard to say since I have screwed most of this forum lol. I dare any of ya to disagree with me!! Joke!

Agreeing is not white knighting...kissing her butt when she is WRONG is.

Budman, what you speak of goes both ways. It's just as ludicrous for guys to scream about a lady they have NOT seen in a review thread, and it happens all the time. I take the crown for that one. Most of the nut jobs mouthing off about me, have NEVER seen me much less even spoken with me outside of this board.

Now, let a guy tell the TRUTH about a nola fave, and see what happens. Just because a girl has great reviews does not mean she is treating everyone that way. I know first hand of a lady who only provides great service to guys on Eccie...ter shows her true colors lol. Let that same TER guy review her here, and it's WK war.

The issue is not defending her regarding a bad review, the issue is stepping up and saying something when the usual suspects are totally trashing a provider on the board. There is no excuse to trash someone at all. If one can not objectively, yet critically articulate ones point of view without using insults and profanity while at the same time trying to destroy someones character than one should stay off the boards. Originally Posted by buzzworm86

Exactly!

By the way in all the cases I have been called WK, it has nothing to
do with a review (which I don't write reviews or comment on them)....it has to do with the wolves have decided they don't like a certain provider and they don't like anyone who doesn't join in.

Simple as that.

Exactly!

By the way in all the cases I have been called WK, it has nothing to
do with a review (which I don't write reviews or comment on them)....it has to do with the wolves have decided they don't like a certain provider and they don't like anyone who doesn't join in.

Simple as that. Originally Posted by starlitejazz

Welcome to my world. I find it sad that people..guys and gals, actually go out of their way to make sure someone they don't like is not liked by anyone. Sad, pathetic, and needy are adjectives that come to mind. Really...who does that? If I don't care for someone, the last thing I am going to do is give a flip about anyone else not liking them. I may talk smack about that person, but I don't do so with the intent of getting some of my team. People need to grow the fk up!

I commend you and guys like wakeup for being man enough to make their own decisions! The day I let what people on a hooker board say influence my decisions, will be the day I find better thngs to do with my mind lol. Such a terrible thing to waste.

Funny thing...even bad publicity is good ha ha. Can't tell you the number of guys who have seen me AFTER the peanut gallery told them not to...then they wrote a stellar review. Ahhh...priceless!

It doesn't have to have jack shit to do with a review. The dicks that call a provider and say so and so said this about you in a review or the LR. You are a fucking cocksucker. London, I agree that it may go both ways but the majority of the times it is a prick that wants to kiss a providers ass in the hopes of gaining something. For Angel and Naomi to act like it is always an uncallled for moniker is stupid.

I can't speak for Angel or Naomi, but I think I know what they mean in those terms. There are certain guys around here who will always agree with certain women when they are outright full of crap...those are likely the WKs they are talking about. Those men dog out women like Angel and Naomi, but take up for women who are just plain stupid and azz kissers. That may be why they said what they did...who knows. I know Angel is highly intelligent and that makes her intimidating to many men around here..she is not alone. Naomi is as well, and very bold and outspoken...that again makes her a threat to some.

Also agree that men will do this to gain friendship, freebies, etc. but what's the point? If she is that stupid and desperate for attention to toss out bjs for nothing, is she really worth her fee to begin with lol.

Good points on all sides here.

I can see both sides of the argument, here.* There is no doubt about it... we have several guys here who definitely "get off" on belittling, and degrading providers, every chance they get! They are simply misogynistic twits... silly phucks, if they only realized how "girlish" they sound, themselves!!

We also definitely have some unabashed, shameless, spineless, so-called males who blindlessly support and go waaaaay out of their way to promote their faves... even one's they have never even met!!* The WK's that really irritate me though, are the "WK Groupie Team Members" that follow a few around the board, wherever/whenever they post... even if it's away from their own home area... just to stay in their Master's shit stirring loops!!* This particular bunch of WK Groupies has no gender bias... The Groupie Team is made up of both males & females with nothing better happening in their pathetic little lives, than to support their Master's post totals!

What would Eccie be, without them, eh?
Just another no-bullshit, factual source of valuable Escort Hobby Information for both Providers and Hobbyists.... how boring would THAT be?

P.S. - But Hey... the Saints kicked Chicago's ass today!! * So... all is good! *

When board discussions are intelligent, thought-provoking, respectful and objective, disagreements between posters is what makes this fun. I, for one, appreciate when others disagree with my comments. I believe it provides a learning opportunity.

However, when posts stray from the aforementioned characteristics of discussion, there within lies the problem. Hobbyists can become too sympathetic with blatant ulterior motives to ingratiate and seek favor of a provider. They can become over-protective, and provide confidential information between hobbyists mainly to gain relationship status beyond the typical client. I believe that this is a relatively rare problem on this board.

What is in fact a greater problem is the mob mentality that exists. We have providers that are struggling to earn a living and learning the ropes of this business that are subject to crude and hateful comments of hobbyists. The same hobbyists who would never see that provider anyway due to price, location, etc. I have my own business and can empathize with providers. It would irk me to no end to see people, who would never be clients anyway, capriciously trying to destroy my reputation, business and ability to feed my family. Standing in the line of fire is more often just calling out the assholes here, and not being a "white knight."

It doesn't have to have jack shit to do with a review. The dicks that call a provider and say so and so said this about you in a review or the LR. You are a fucking cocksucker. London, I agree that it may go both ways but the majority of the times it is a prick that wants to kiss a providers ass in the hopes of gaining something. For Angel and Naomi to act like it is always an uncallled for moniker is stupid. Originally Posted by Budman

I have not had the time to do the statistics, but I think your claim "the majority of the time it is a prick that wants to kiss a providers ass" is grossly off base. The majority of times I've seen it used it's some shit head guy who seems to cyber stalk a specific lady, or a guy who seems to have a philosophy that he/guys in general should be able to dictate the terms of the deal. He makes an unfounded, broad comment/attack, and other guys call him on it with data & logic. At a loss for any vealid reply he resors to the WK lable.

Look, the odds on this board and others like it are stacked in favor of the guys for two basic reasons:
--There are usually far more men posting than women, so it's a numbers game
--Even more so is the economic situation: if a guy pisses off some ladies then he probably won't get to see them, but there are pleanty of others. Or he can approach them without mentioning his handle here. In essence he loses nothing. For the ladies it's quite different: if they upset guys it hurts them in the pocketbook. A BIG difference. Unfortunately the very act of defending themselves against false attacks causes them to be labled drama queens and costing them income.

I spend very little time in areas where ECCIE is big. I have met very few of the ladies on here, and probably never will. I have no reason to figuratively kiss any proivider's ass--doing so litterally is a different matter But I will speak up when I see a guy post something that is just wrong. It's much more about standing up for what's right than trying to gain anything.

Yes, some guys do act as personal champions for some ladies. I've done that on other boards when ladies I know are talked about, but only if I know the stuff being posted by another person is a lie, or is a groundless attack. Rarely has it been in regard to reviews: all reviews are YMMV to one degree or another. But when a guy writes a trashing review and the lady in question was with me that whole weekend, I will call him out. When a lady with 6+ pages of absolutely stellar reviews gets 3 Rip-Off reviews in a day by three new 1st time posters, I'll call them out and say "prove it". When a lady travels to DC and has all her appointments booked and then cancelled last minute and a guy brags on the board that he organized it, I'll trash him.

The WK lable is used far too often because the person using it feels they can't handle their own with facts and logic.

Anyway, taking out the filleting knives and removing all the skin of a flaiming MSP jerk is great fun on a rainny day!

Mr Giz, Mwebber, well said to both of you.