SNOWDEN NOMINATED TO RECEIVE PRESTIGIOUS HUMAN RIGHTS AWARD !

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and Obama won the Nobel Peace prize.........
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Make that a double SNICK!
With people like whirrly JD IB dogs and COG I can see how he would qualify. They love a traitor.
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C"mon guys. What secrets did Snowden reveal to the Chinese, or any other foreign government that he didn't also reveal to the American public? Snowden wanted US to know what illegal activity the US government was perpetrating against the American people. The Chinese and others simply read the newspapers.

Exposing illegal activity by government to the citizens of that country is called "whistle blowing" and "patriotic". He is not a traitor under any definition. However, those that support covering up illegal activity by government, by definition, are.
Sandy Berger gets caught hiding/destroying classified information and he gets a $50,000 fine and goes on his merry way.....Snowden tells us about the the deep (and illegal) spying our government is doing on private citizens, and has to run to a foreign country to tell his story........

Snowden is a patriot (not a hero)..........Berger (Clinton's friend) is the traitor.

Clinton defending his traitorous friend Berger:
"We were all laughing about it"



Clinton and his "chinese foreign policy" experts harmed American interests more than Snowden's disclosures !

http://tech.mit.edu/V119/N12/Clinton-China.12w.html

FACT JACK !
Double snick
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  • 09-18-2013, 01:53 PM
C"mon guys. What secrets did Snowden reveal to the Chinese, or any other foreign government that he didn't also reveal to the American public? Snowden wanted US to know what illegal activity the US government was perpetrating against the American people. The Chinese and others simply read the newspapers.

Exposing illegal activity by government to the citizens of that country is called "whistle blowing" and "patriotic". He is not a traitor under any definition. However, those that support covering up illegal activity by government, by definition, are. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

the USA was LAST to know, and didn't know until they read the paper .... Cmon guys my Texas ass

The Chinks read the newspaers AFTER they sift through the 4 laptops Snowden had with him ..

go sell some roses and stfu.
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  • 09-18-2013, 02:11 PM

Snowden is a patriot (not a hero)..........



FACT JACK ! Originally Posted by Whirlaway
What is Bradley Manning? Is he a hero?

Below is a very good article on why what they did was over the top. Now if you are a two faced Tea Turd , you will not understand your hypocrisy on this issue. On one hand you wanted to go to war with a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 and on the other hand you now do not want the government spying on you to keep you safe. I wanted neither and find your late train jumping utter bullshit.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...nowden/278973/
As an old reporter who has from time to time outed classified information, I have watched the cases of Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden with professional interest.
What troubles me about them is not that they broke the oaths they swore when they took their classified government jobs, the thing that makes them liable to prosecution. Government finds all kinds of dubious reasons to keep secrets, sometimes nefarious reasons, and conscience can force one to break a promise. My problem is with the indiscriminate nature of their leaks.
These are young people at war with the concept of secrecy itself, which is just foolish. There are many legitimate reasons for governments to keep secrets, among them the need to preserve the element of surprise in military operations or criminal investigations, to permit leaders and diplomats to bargain candidly, and to protect the identities of those we ask to perform dangerous and difficult missions.
The most famous leakers in American history were motivated not by a general opposition to secrecy but by a desire to expose specific wrongdoing. Mark Felt, the “Deep Throat” who helped steer Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein’s Watergate reporting, understood that the Nixon Administration was energetically abusing the powers of the presidency. Daniel Ellsberg copied and leaked the Pentagon Papers because they showed that the White House and Pentagon had never really believed the lies they were telling about the Vietnam War.
In other words, they had good reasons. The reporters and editors who published their leaks weighed taking that step seriously, ultimately deciding that the public’s need to know trumped the principle of secrecy. They concluded that the government in these instances was abusing its power.
Manning and Snowden are wholesale leakers. I can’t know this for a fact, but I suspect they were not completely aware of all they carried off. It isn’t just that they didn’t completely understand what they were leaking; they literally did not know what all of it was. Computers enable individual operators to open floodgates. Out spills everything, the legitimate along with the illegitimate. It’s easy, and it’s irresponsible. It proceeds from a Julian Assange-influenced, comic-book vision of the world where all governments are a part of an evil plot against humanity.
In my experience, government does routinely abuse its power to classify information, sometimes for ridiculous reasons. Sometimes it seems that officials declare something secret just because they can. As a transportation reporter for The Philadelphia Inquirer, I remember battling state transportation officials to release accident information -- I wanted to write a story about which intersections were the most dangerous. Never mind that knowing where it was most treacherous to drive would be useful for public safety, and that the agencies involved in collection this data were public agencies, the numbers were, I was told, a state secret. When I walked through the old U.S. Embassy Chancery Building in Tehran in 2005, now an anti-American museum, there was an exhibit of documents seized during the 1979 takeover. The papers looked damning. They were stamped impressively, ‘Top Secret,” and “Eyes Only.” Few of the Iranian students who were marched through read English, and I’m sure few doubted that the documents on display revealed details of the Great Satan’s “plot” to derail the glorious Islamic Revolution. Close inspection revealed that the framed papers were orders from the embassy motor pool for spare parts.
There have been a few things in the Manning and Snowden leaks that might have warranted taking a principled stand, but the great bulk of what they delivered shows our nation’s military, intelligence agencies, and foreign service working hard at their jobs -- doing the things we the people, through our elected representatives, have ordered them to do. It came as no surprise to me that America has been aggressively collecting massive pools of data in order to discover and derail terrorist attacks in advance, an enormously difficult thing to do, and yet the very thing Americans demanded after 9/11.
I think Manning’s 35-year prison sentence is excessive, and expect it will eventually be reduced. Whatever danger Manning (who has now asked to live as a woman named Chelsea) poses to American society can be avoided by denying her access to Pentagon computers. Snowden may have found a way to punish himself worse. He has turned himself into an enduring symbol of idiocy by fleeing the oppressive grip of Barack Obama for the open arms of that great civil libertarian, Vladimir Putin.
Both Manning and Snowden strike me not as heroes, but as naifs. Neither appears to have understood what they were getting themselves into, and, more importantly, what they were doing.
That opinion piece by Edward Bowden is a laugh....he thinks highly of Ellsberg's actions but completely ignores Ellsberg's own judgement on Snowden.




Daniel Ellsberg says:
The man who 42 years ago leaked to The New York Times the 7,000-page report that became known as the Pentagon Papers called Edward Snowden's disclosure that revealed details of the U.S. government's domestic surveillance programs "as important as any disclosure that's ever been made."
and...
Speaking from his home in the San Francisco Bay Area, Ellsberg, 82, told HuffPost Live hosts Ahmed Shihab-Eldin and Josh Zepps that he, Snowden and accused WikiLeaks leaker Pfc. Bradley Manning "chose to give priority to our oath to defend and support the Constitution, rather than our promise to keep secrets for our boss or for our agency, when those secrets were concealing evidence that the Constitution was being violated."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3438431.html
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  • 09-18-2013, 02:34 PM
That opinion piece by Edward Bowden is a laugh....he thinks highly of Ellsberg's actions but completely ignores Ellsberg's own judgement on Snowden.




Daniel Ellsberg says:
The man who 42 years ago leaked to The New York Times the 7,000-page report that became known as the Pentagon Papers called Edward Snowden's disclosure that revealed details of the U.S. government's domestic surveillance programs "as important as any disclosure that's ever been made."
and...
Speaking from his home in the San Francisco Bay Area, Ellsberg, 82, told HuffPost Live hosts Ahmed Shihab-Eldin and Josh Zepps that he, Snowden and accused WikiLeaks leaker Pfc. Bradley Manning "chose to give priority to our oath to defend and support the Constitution, rather than our promise to keep secrets for our boss or for our agency, when those secrets were concealing evidence that the Constitution was being violated."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3438431.html Originally Posted by Whirlaway
Which begs the question...WTF do you think about Bradley Manning? Is he a hero?
If I were to rank Ellsberg, Manning and Snowden in terms of 1 being most traitorous and 10 being solid patriot whistleblower. Here would be my relative ranking with Manning being the worse of the 3....

Ellsberg = 8
Snowden = 7
Manning = 5
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  • 09-18-2013, 03:16 PM
If I were to rank Ellsberg, Manning and Snowden in terms of 1 being most traitorous and 10 being solid patriot whistleblower. Here would be my relative ranking with Manning being the worse of the 3....

Ellsberg = 8
Snowden = 7
Manning = 5 Originally Posted by Whirlaway
Fair enough...but the question remains, should Manning get hormone treatment?
Not on my nickel !

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  • WTF
  • 09-18-2013, 03:43 PM
Not on my nickel !

Originally Posted by Whirlaway
You gave him a 5