Consensus on what GFE and PSE is. Has GFE changed?

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I’m only interested in a True GFE or PSE. A TGFE must require DFK, BBFS and CIP. A TPSE is BBFS but you can unload on her tits, face, etc. what the fuck kind of porno has a guy wearing a condom) QUOTE]

TPSE or TGFE?

What does the "T" stand for? Originally Posted by SomeRandomGuy88

The T stands for “true.”

I don’t know a time I had sex with a girlfriend with a condom. What’s the point in that? Similarly the vast majority of porn doesn’t use condoms. So if a provider offers “GFE” and “PSE” with a condom, then it’s not actually a GFE or a PSE. It’s like calling a hamburger a prime rib. Could be an excellent hamburger but it’s not a prime rib. Furthermore at the rates ladies are charging, I’m only interested in the real deal. Fortunately there are a lot of ladies out there that are willing to give me a prime rib as advertised

Maybe we should talk about what GFE is NOT.

Not a car date with a SW (CBJ and maybe RCG),
Not a hurried mechanical session at an AMP with a post-menopausal 50-year-old Asian.
Not a public CBJ in a strip club.

Any of that help move the discussion forward?

Maybe we should talk about what GFE is NOT.

Not a car date with a SW (CBJ and maybe RCG),
Not a hurried mechanical session at an AMP with a post-menopausal 50-year-old Asian.
Not a public CBJ in a strip club.

Any of that help move the discussion forward? Originally Posted by ICU 812

just a rental or lease, but not GF ????

The T stands for “true.”
So if a provider offers “GFE” and “PSE” with a condom, then it’s not actually a GFE or a PSE. Originally Posted by SomeRandomGuy88

I have seen ads with the exact "True GFE" & the same provider post in other threads that she doesn't even kiss during encounters.
The implied meaning is whatever will get you in the door, what you'll actually get can be anything.
Your idea of what "GFE" should be explains why so many ladies are afraid to even mention it.

IMO:
GFE-will include but not limited to:
Kissing
Intimacy
Affection
Bbbj
Daty
Basically plenty of foreplay before whatever type of sex both are comfortable with.

NON GFE-will include but not limited to:
Cbj
Daty w/dental dam
No kissing
Covered sex

PSE-Never been sure but think it means the lady is cool with activities the average "respectful lady" would consider disrespectful and degrading.
CIM
COF
Dirty talk
& Plenty of other things you see in porn.

I have seen ads with the exact "True GFE" & the same provider post in other threads that she doesn't even kiss during encounters.
The implied meaning is whatever will get you in the door, what you'll actually get can be anything.
Your idea of what "GFE" should be explains why so many ladies are afraid to even mention it.

IMO:
GFE-will include but not limited to:
Kissing
Intimacy
Affection
Bbbj
Daty
Basically plenty of foreplay before whatever type of sex both are comfortable with.

NON GFE-will include but not limited to:
Cbj
Daty w/dental dam
No kissing
Covered sex

PSE-Never been sure but think it means the lady is cool with activities the average "respectful lady" would consider disrespectful and degrading.
CIM
COF
Dirty talk
& Plenty of other things you see in porn. Originally Posted by MarcellusWalluz

You are spot on. Words have meaning. If I want to buy a dog and then I come by to pick him up and it’s actually a cat, yeah, I’m going to be disappointed. I know there’s a lot of lying involved in advertising but they’re also continuously embroiled in drama. Ladies need to be up front about what they do and don’t do. Less headaches on both sides.

I too agree with SomeRandomGuy pn his assesment of GFE,. PSE, and non.

Good way of saying it. The GFE session is, for me, defined by the overall experience of intimacy. In other threads, I have described it as the feeling that we are intimate friends who are comfortable with each other's sexuality.

The PSE is just checking the boxes on the list of all the ways to git-er-dun. Frankly, I cannot hold up my end of the PSE concept.

Random didn’t include msog. Although I’m sure he meant to. One shot one kill Services wouldn’t be gfe or pse I’m guessing.

Unless of course you guys agree no msog is the new gfe……..

I said the same thing in my first post.

Random didn’t include msog. Although I’m sure he meant to. One shot one kill Services wouldn’t be gfe or pse I’m guessing.

Unless of course you guys agree no msog is the new gfe……..

I said the same thing in my first post. Originally Posted by gimme_that

Agree no reason to pay for an hour if all you get is one pop and your out the door in 15.

Yep, MSOG is important too.

I’m fine if ladies aren’t fine with that…as long as they are up front and honest about it. Then they shouldn’t consider themselves a GFE provider.

I think pse is also more geared towards attitude and intensity of session rather than the type of services at times. The services are equally important in my opinion.

I think pse is harder to pinpoint with a consensus than gfe is by far.

I know the certain services with even the most open liberal ladies of Greek, allowed cell phone pictures and video for your eyes only, COF, SS, and swallowing tend to still be unassured. Those I consider very ymmv. I think a lot of ladies still consider cum in face a bit degrading. Photos and video require a comfort some may not be open to initially. That’s why I don’t like only fans because to me video and pictures are a privilege not everyone should be privy too. Few allow those even in the most open menus.

Feel like at minimum for me a pse provider should at least allow cob (not cof), cim (nqbs), msog, allow photos and video, and all the basic aspects of gfe. Anything else or a service past that isn’t expected and would to me be ymmv. (Greek, cof, ss)

I still think pse is much more challenging to pinpoint. But what I do know is in past times if a lady advertised as pse you knew all the basic gfe menu was covered and addressed. That’s not so much the case now.

[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy88;10628136 13]

The T stands for “true.”

I don’t know a time I had sex with a girlfriend with a condom. What’s the point in that? Similarly the vast majority of porn doesn’t use condoms. So if a provider offers “GFE” and “PSE” with a condom, then it’s not actually a GFE or a PSE. It’s like calling a hamburger a prime rib. Could be an excellent hamburger but it’s not a prime rib. Furthermore at the rates ladies are charging, I’m only interested in the real deal. Fortunately there are a lot of ladies out there that are willing to give me a prime rib as advertised Originally Posted by Fizley

The point is to not get her pregnant. My 1st GF/sex was with a condom. 60+ y/o today and no unplanned children. And that was the 70s before STDs. IMaybe you were lucky, but I don't understand taking the risk. As I got older, I put the responsibility on the woman for BC, but under 25, I expect them to be as immature & careless as me. So I wore one.

Papadee: I am with you 100% on the No-Kids policy.

Back in maybe 2010 I had a session with one of Junior's girls at Latin Relaxation. Happened at the transition from ASPD to OH2 and this board. I posted a review. Good enough session.

However right at the start she announced that she couldn't find a condom. This had not happened to me in the Hobby before and I hesitated. Then thought; STD exposure aside, this gal might have wanted to get pregnant. I just could not see a child of mine growing up with the complications and disadvantages of not having a father. So I told her to find one or this session was over. She did and the session was OK, but not "GFE" in the sense that I have described it here.

I didn't rep[ort that in the review, but did tell "Junior".