I read your opening post. Asking for facts. When building a case for the liberal view. I'm afraid real facts don't matter in the present. ESPECIALLY when this administration uses alternative facts. Or no proof at all. Case in point: the president's assertions of voter fraud. So on 9/19/2016 at 1400 hours when you posted, the world was different.
Originally Posted by eccieuser9500
So if someone plays fast and loose with the facts, your response is to play faster and looser? Thanks for explaining why liberals habitually lose arguments. You aspire to act more trumplike than trump. The difference is there is usually a kernel of truth in trump's "lies". When he tweeted back in March 2017 that obama wiretapped trump tower, the libtard media went nuts. Sure, Trump got the details wrong, but who looks stupider now?
And which "assertions of voter fraud" are you griping about? The ones where he echoed Jimmy Carter's conclusions about the risks of mail-in ballots? Not only is Carter a democrat, he also has an extensive history of monitoring the fairness of elections all over the world.
Heed Jimmy Carter on the Danger of Mail-In Voting
‘Absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud.’
By John R. Lott Jr.
April 10, 2020 6:27 pm ET
"Absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud.” That quote isn’t from President Trump, who criticized mail-in voting this week after Wisconsin Democrats tried and failed to change an election at the last minute into an exclusively mail-in affair. It’s the conclusion of the
bipartisan 2005 report of the Commission on Federal Election Reform, chaired by former President Jimmy Carter and former Secretary of State James Baker III.
Concerns about vote-buying have a long history in the U.S. They helped drive the move to the secret ballot, which U.S. states adopted between 1888 and 1950. Secret ballots made it harder for vote buyers to monitor which candidates sellers actually voted for. Vote-buying had been pervasive; my research with Larry Kenny at the University of Florida has found that voter turnout fell by about 8% to 12% after states adopted the secret ballot.
You wouldn’t know any of this listening to the media outcry over Mr. Trump’s remarks. “There is a lot of dishonesty going on with mail-in voting,” the president said Tuesday. In response, a CNN “fact check” declares that Mr. Trump “opened a new front in his campaign of lies about voter fraud.” A New York Times headline asserts: “Trump Is Pushing a False Argument on Vote-by-Mail Fraud.” Both claim that voter fraud is essentially nonexistent. The Carter-Baker report found otherwise.
Intimidation and vote buying were key concerns of the commission: “Citizens who vote at home, at nursing homes, at the workplace, or in church are more susceptible to pressure, overt and subtle, or to intimidation. Vote buying schemes are far more difficult to detect when citizens vote by mail.” The report provides examples, such as the
1997 Miami mayoral election that resulted in 36 arrests for absentee-ballot fraud. The election had to be rerun, and the result was reversed.
There are more recent cases, too.
In 2017 an investigation of a
Dallas City Council election found some 700 fraudulent mail-in ballots signed by the same witness using a fake name. The discovery left two council races in limbo, and the fraud was much larger than the vote differential in one of those races. The case resulted in a criminal conviction.
In a
2018 North Carolina congressional race, Republican Mark Harris edged out Democrat Dan McCready by 905 votes. Fortunately, the state had relatively complete absentee-ballot records. Election officials became suspicious when they discovered that the Republican received 61% of mail-in votes, even though registered Republicans accounted for only 19% of those who had requested mail-in ballots.
A Republican operative, L. McCrae Dowless Jr., had allegedly requested more than 1,200 absentee ballots on voters’ behalf and then collected the ballots from voters’ homes when they were mailed out. Mr. Dowless’s assistants testified that they were directed to forge voters’ signatures and fill in votes. A new election was required, but Mr. Harris didn’t run. Mr. Dowless faces criminal charges for absentee-ballot fraud in both the 2016 and 2018 elections and has pled not guilty.
It is often claimed that impossibly large numbers of people live at the same address. In 2016, 83 registered voters in San Pedro, Calif., received absentee ballots at the same small two-bedroom apartment.
Prosecutors rarely pursue this type of case.
Mail-in voting is a throwback to the dark old days of vote-buying and fraud. Because of this, many countries don’t allow absentee ballots for citizens living in their country, including Norway and Mexico. Americans deserve a more trustworthy system.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/heed-ji...ng-11586557667
Originally Posted by eccieuser9500
