Mexican President Celebrates ’40 Million’ Mexicans in the U.S.

Go ahead with the facts

If you believe you are discussing the topic of the thread Originally Posted by VitaMan

is this a fact?


Mexican President Celebrates ’40 Million’ Mexicans in the U.S.

You stated the facts say so. Then you must have them.

Go ahead and present them if you believe you are on the topic of the thread.

You stated the facts say so. Then you must have them.

Go ahead and present them if you believe you are on the topic of the thread. Originally Posted by VitaMan

Good luck with him straying from a narrow parallex (sp) view from a distorted idea. He doesn't have a very good record of -backing up stuff while demanding others do it for him.

You stated the facts say so. Then you must have them.

Go ahead and present them if you believe you are on the topic of the thread. Originally Posted by VitaMan

if you say so

Good luck with him straying from a narrow parallax (sp) view from a distorted idea. He doesn't have a very good record of -backing up stuff while demanding others do it for him. Originally Posted by Precious_b

ftfy

Backing yourself up in your say so kind of way

Backing yourself up in your say so kind of way Originally Posted by VitaMan

if you say so

illegal immigrants drain the US infrastructure and medical system by being uninsured and not being taxable workers.

tell me .. how can an illegal worker legally pay taxes? Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

That is a trick question or someone is ignorant of how the system works. Probably the latter in this case...

That is a trick question or someone is ignorant of how the system works. Probably the latter in this case... Originally Posted by WTF

Kind of clever statement in opposition to Trump's they are sending us their drug dealers and rapists. Our construction industry and others would crater if illegal immigrants were actually stopped and sent back, think housing is inflated now. Mexico is one of our largest trading partners, sources of labor and supplier of oil to the fossil fuel machine. They have every right to be proud of the part they play.

Our Government, unlike immigration, does take payroll taxes very seriously. The documentation carousel is a joke to the companies that hire "documented workers" who are paying income and social security taxes to which many do not recoup much of that benefit. The silver heads here should show a little gratitude when their social security check shows up and they can go buy some pussy.

Take out the racism, hammer companies that violate and make it easier for those that want to come and work and contribute to do so. Our country needs immigrants to sustain a growing work force and frankly they seem more vested in the American dream than naturalized Americans i try to hire who cannot pass a drug test or even show up.

Kind of clever statement in opposition to Trump's they are sending us their drug dealers and rapists. Our construction industry and others would crater if illegal immigrants were actually stopped and sent back, think housing is inflated now. Mexico is one of our largest trading partners, sources of labor and supplier of oil to the fossil fuel machine. They have every right to be proud of the part they play.

Our Government, unlike immigration, does take payroll taxes very seriously. The documentation carousel is a joke to the companies that hire "documented workers" who are paying income and social security taxes to which many do not recoup much of that benefit. The silver heads here should show a little gratitude when their social security check shows up and they can go buy some pussy.

Take out the racism, hammer companies that violate and make it easier for those that want to come and work and contribute to do so. Our country needs immigrants to sustain a growing work force and frankly they seem more vested in the American dream than naturalized Americans i try to hire who cannot pass a drug test or even show up. Originally Posted by Brot

Waco is ignorant on this front.

He seems to only highlight one piece of the puzzle.

There are only a few subjects that he is not totally partisan on....and I can't recall those few.

illegal immigrants drain the US infrastructure and medical system by being uninsured and not being taxable workers.

tell me .. how can an illegal worker legally pay taxes? Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

It's the circle of life dear Waky! You're beloved savior is a great source of work for these folks!!
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019...mented-workers

That is a trick question or someone is ignorant of how the system works. Probably the latter in this case... Originally Posted by WTF

where's the trick question in "illegals can't legally pay taxes"?


many do pay taxes, using stolen info that can actually deny real citizens their benefits. so tell me again you are okay with this just because you clearly support millions of illegals flooding in the country?


119 Illegal Aliens Prosecuted For Stealing Identities of Americans, Falsifying Immigration Documents, Fraudulently Claiming to be U.S. Citizens, Other Crimes

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdms/pr...ng-immigration


Immigrants stealing U.S. Social Security numbers for jobs, not profits - Americas - International Herald Tribune

https://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/04/w...d.2688618.html


leave it to the notoriously liberal NY Times to whitewash a crime because it was for "noble purposes" .. a job.


BAAHHHAAAAAAA


For Lybbert and her husband, Tyson, the call was the beginning of a five- month scramble trying to clear up their daughter's credit history. As it turned out, an illegal immigrant, Jose Tinoco, was using their daughter's stolen Social Security number, not in pursuit of a financial crime, but in order to get a job.


The numbers are used in the United States by the government to track employees for tax purposes.


"From what I've picked up, he wasn't using it maliciously," said Lybbert, who lives in Draper, Utah. "He was using it to have a job, to get a car, provide for his family. My husband's like, 'Don't you feel bad, you've ruined this guy's life?'


"But at the same time," Lybbert added, referring to her daughter, "he's ruined the innocence of her Social Security number because when she goes to apply for loans, she's going to have this history."


Though most people think of identity theft as a financial crime, one of the most common forms in the United States involves illegal immigrants using fraudulent Social Security numbers to conduct their daily lives.


With tacit acceptance from some employers and poor coordination among government agencies, this practice provides the backbone of some low- wage businesses and a boon to the Social Security trust fund.


During the 1990s, such mismatches accounted for about $20 billion in Social Security taxes paid.


"It's clear that it is a different intent or purpose than trying to get someone's MasterCard and charge it up, knowing they're going to get the bill," said Richard Hamp, an assistant attorney general in Utah. "But it has some similarities. It goes on the other person's credit record. Illegals are filing for bankruptcy, using someone else's number.


"I had one 78-year-old with three defaults on houses she never owned."


The Federal Trade Commission, which estimates that 10 million Americans have their identities stolen each year, does not distinguish between people who steal Social Security numbers so they can work and those who are out to steal money.


Illegal immigrants make up nearly one of every 20 workers in the United States, according to estimates by the Pew Hispanic Center, and most are working under fraudulent Social Security numbers, which can be bought in any immigrant community or in Mexico.


Like most victims of identity theft, the Lybberts did not lose any money in the long run, but Camber Lybbert estimated that for four or five months she spent 30 hours or more a week making telephone calls, feeling passed from one agency or voice-mail system to another: the Social Security Administration; the Utah attorney general; the three credit bureaus that issue credit ratings; and the police departments in two cities.


"Everyone I talked to handed me off to someone else, saying that's not our department, call this number," she said. "I was being led in a circle."


The Social Security Administration each year receives eight million to nine million earnings reports from the Internal Revenue Service filed under names that do not match the Social Security numbers. Some are from workers whose employers botched their personnel forms or women who recently changed their names after marriage.


Others are from people using a Social Security number that is not their own.


"It's basically a subsidy from migrant workers to the aggregate of American taxpayers," said Douglas Massey, a professor of sociology at Princeton who studies Mexican migration, about the taxes paid to the government.


ah! so as long as it props up the social security reserves it's all good! the Government turning a blind eye to fraud as long as it benefits the Government. who knew???


While no one knows how many of these mismatches are illegal immigrants, a Government Accountability Office study found that employers with the most mismatches were concentrated in industries that hire a lot of illegal immigrants, including agriculture, construction and food services.


"Right now, employers are not motivated to care if their workers give them false Social Security numbers," said Barbara Bovbjerg, the office's director of education, workforce and income security issues.


The Social Security Administration is legally barred from sharing information with immigration or law enforcement agencies, or from telling the rightful owner of a Social Security number that someone else is working under their number, said Mark Hinkle, a spokesman.


The rightful owner of a stolen number does not get the benefits accrued under its false use.


Bovbjerg's office and others have called for better cooperation among the Social Security Administration, Internal Revenue Service, or IRS, and Department of Homeland Security to prosecute workers who use false Social Security numbers and companies that hire them.


"We've had this ridiculous situation where, theoretically, this information could be shared and we could identify these people and repair the situation," said Marti Dinerstein, a fellow at the Center for Immigration Studies, a nonprofit organization that supports tighter restrictions on immigration.


"Falsely using a Social Security number is a felony. Our own federal agencies are working against those laws. The IRS says privacy laws prevent them from sharing information. So we know who the guilty employers are," Dinerstein said. "The IRS knows who the guilty employees are. And nothing's being done about it."


In 2000, using data from the Social Security Administration, the Utah attorney general's office found that the Social Security numbers of 132,000 people in the state were being used by other people, far more than the state could prosecute.



This use caused problems even when the person using the number led a financially responsible life, said Hamp, the assistant attorney general. "I've had families denied public assistance for their children or disability payments because records show somebody is working in their Social Security number," he said.



Scott Smith, of Ogden, Utah, discovered that someone was using the Social Security number of his daughter, Bailey, when he applied for public health insurance for her.


Smith, who owns four paper shredders, is by his own description "real paranoid" about identity theft. "We even take the shreddings and put them in different garbage cans," he said.


Like Lybbert, he has mixed feelings about what happened next.


"All that was happening was that the illegal alien who had gotten the card had gotten a job at a Sizzler steakhouse in Provo and was paying her bills and doing a good job," he said.


the immigration system isn't broken and doesn't need "fixing". that's all liberal nonsense because the quotas simply aren't big enough to suit them. the Government knows these illegals are propping up benefits and turns a blind eye to it.


if the US needs all these workers just give them all resident worker status and stop all this fraud.

where's the trick question in "illegals can't legally pay taxes"?


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[/COLOR] Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

First you imply they do not pay taxes....now you admit they do pay taxes....just not legally.

Good Lord...you can't make this shit up!

First you imply they do not pay taxes....now you admit they do pay taxes....just not legally.

Good Lord...you can't make this shit up! Originally Posted by WTF

most do not and you know it. the ones that do pay are using fraudulent identities. that does not make them legal taxpayers. even you should know that.

No they aren't, they get ITIN instead of SSN... It is beneficial for them to get this number so they can track their tax payments. When it comes to getting a green card they can prove they are a productive tax payer and this can accelerate their approval. Then they can get an SSN.

most do not and you know it. the ones that do pay are using fraudulent identities. that does not make them legal taxpayers. even you should know that. Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

Illegal taxpayers!

You understand that they pay into the system and get nothing out. Which is in direct contrast to wtf you said earlier.

He'll illegal taxpayers would solve our SS and Medicare shortfall with having to raise taxes!