OBAMA'S EO BIG LIE: "THEY WILL PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE"

You are a laughable Obama apologist flighty.

He lied about keeping your doctor.
He lied about keeping your policy
He lied about saving families $2500
He lied about continuing to lower health care costs
He lied the business mandate
He lied about wanting to compromise with the Republicans while taking unilateral action numerous times
He lied about Gruber not "being on his staff"
He lied about the site being ready last year
He lied about the enrollment numbers
He lied about Obamacare not costing "one dime"

And you know it. That makes you a liar. Is that you Gruber? Originally Posted by gnadfly

You are a laughable Bush worshiper. Let's go through all of these.

He lied about keeping your doctor.
This is the fault of the health insurance companies. They make up the network of Doctors that you can use.
He lied about keeping your policy
This is the fault of the health insurance companies. Grandfather rules were hard coded into the ACA law which allowed the old policies to be continued. The health insurance companies ignored this part of the law.
He lied about saving families $2500
The price of your premium is determined on the risk being taken by the health insurance companies. The risk pools formed on the exchanges would have to have a lot of low risk people in them for premiums to be lower. Despite the mandates it did not happen. Call it a broken promise but not a lie. A good example of a lie is Bush and the WMD's. The only WMD's found were the ones the USA sold Iraq back in the 1980's that had corroded to the point they were unusable.
He lied about continuing to lower health care costs
Not true, the overall cost of health care is reducing the deficit. It was spiraling out of control before. Doctors are only getting like 40 cents on the dollar for Medicaid payments in comparison to an employer based health insurance. That is why some doctors don't see Medicaid patients. If your premium went up it just means that you are attached to a risk pool that has more risk.
He lied the business mandate
How so? He delayed the implementation of it. It will still be implemented.
He lied about wanting to compromise with the Republicans while taking unilateral action numerous times
As for immigration, A bipartisan bill was passed by the Senate 500 days ago. Boehner and Congress sat on it. There was no UP/DOWN vote. The latest EO could have been avoided. Ted Cruz cannot be worked with, he is a MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He lied about Gruber not "being on his staff"
You didn't even know who Gruber was until 2 weeks ago.
He lied about the site being ready last year
This is the fault of Sybillaus, she was a governor not an I/T person. You are reaching now for very minor issues. The vendor that they used to do the programming was a holdover from the Bush Adminstration and was used because they were already on site. Picking someone already on site would save them money ( that was the thought).
They did not want to go through a full selection process ( IBM, Oracle, SAP, Peoplesoft, Seibel) these types of vendors were not solicited to program the website.
He lied about the enrollment numbers
No he did not. All of the enrollment counts are estimates based on feed back from insurance companies and state Medicaid departments. No one agency has an exact count.
He lied about Obamacare not costing "one dime"
Your income tax has not changed due to the ACA. The Bush Tax cuts are still in effect for the lowest 6 tax brackets. Only the top bracket changed, the percentage went from 36 to 39 percent. The same percentage it was under Clinton. The ACA and Medicare Part D are both Trillion Dollar expenses to the Federal Government and are paid for by Tax revenue coming in. There is a tax on medical devices for the ACA. These two things are how the ACA is paid for basically.

Another circle jerk, by our two most prolific circle jerkoffs.

Point out the lie, asshole. Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

I would ask if you really are this stupid, but I don't need. Yes, you really are that stupid.

Let me spell this out for you very clearly.

Obama's EO makes millions of illegals eligible for work permits. With those work permits they can get jobs. What kind of jobs you ask? Low paying minimum wage jobs. If they possessed skills to obtain higher paying jobs, they wouldn't have needed to come here illegally in the first place.

Now, surely you are aware of the famous 43% statistic? The one Romney was immortalized for quoting? Lets review this statistic. 43% of wage earning Americans pay zero dollars and zero cents in federal income tax. Please note that I was careful to specify "F.E.D.E.R.A.L I.N.C.O.M.E T.A.X" (I even spelled it very slowly for you). This saves you the time of making yourself look stupid by saying "Oh yes they do pay taxes while referring to silly things like cell phone taxes and drivers license fees".

Furthermore, not only will these illegals have income low enough to enable them to pay zero dollars and zero cents in F.E.D.E.R.A.L I.N.C.O.M.E tax, they will also undoubtedly qualify for EITC in which case they actually receive MORE money back from the gov't than they paid in.

Now then, lets move on. Obama claimed in his speech that his EO would enable these millions of illegals to "pay their fair share". However, Obama is either abysmally stupid (quite possible) or he bald faced lied when he made the claim about paying their fair share (also quite possible). Because going by the statistics, it is 100% certain that nearly all, if not ALL of them will NOT in fact pay their fair share, and in most cases will actually MAKE money off the gov't.

Grubers like yourself of course, swallow his horseshit without the bother of applying critical thinking. This is why you are affectionately called Grubers. The rest of us with sentience however, spotted the lie the instant it poured from Dear Leader's lips.

You are a laughable Obama apologist flighty.

He lied about keeping your doctor.
He lied about keeping your policy
He lied about saving families $2500
He lied about continuing to lower health care costs
He lied the business mandate
He lied about wanting to compromise with the Republicans while taking unilateral action numerous times
He lied about Gruber not "being on his staff"
He lied about the site being ready last year
He lied about the enrollment numbers
He lied about Obamacare not costing "one dime"

And you know it. That makes you a liar. Is that you Gruber? Originally Posted by gnadfly

When have you met a politician that didn't lie? Will you be surprised the next time the sun sets in the West? You just don't like the guy doing the lying because he's not your guy. When you're guy is doing the lying I'm sure you're fine with it.

Do you honestly believe that by constantly repeating the same shit people will begin to believe it? The only ones who do are the ones Gruber described.

Psssst....they are not "conservatives" .... they are liberals like you. Originally Posted by LexusLover

LL, FYI the intelligence committee that did the probe on Benghazi was headed by a REPUBLICAN. You have any problems with what they concluded, take it up with him.

LL, FYI the intelligence committee that did the probe on Benghazi was headed by a REPUBLICAN. You have any problems with what they concluded, take it up with him.
Originally Posted by flghtr65

FYI, flighty, here's another excerpt from the report:

Rambo, they choose to insult one another over ANYTHING else.

they can get jobs. What kind of jobs you ask? Low paying minimum wage jobs. If they possessed skills to obtain higher paying jobs, they wouldn't have needed to come here illegally in the first place.

. Originally Posted by SinsOfTheFlesh

You just spouting Tea Turkey talking points again?

1. What Do Technology Companies Want?

Technology companies want to make it easier for foreign workers to get green cards, for the United States to issue more H-1B temporary worker visas and to help more foreign-born students stay in the U.S. after completing advanced studies here.
Such changes, they argue, will allow foreign entrepreneurs to come to the United States and build job-creating businesses on American shores, bolstering the economy. Indeed, a recent study found nearly a quarter of high-tech companies had at least one immigrant as a founder (full disclosure: Mashable was founded by Scottish-born Pete Cashmore).
A recent letter from the Silicon Valley Leadership Group, which more than 50 technology company CEOs signed, reads: ". . .because our current immigration system is outdated and inefficient, many high-skilled immigrants who want to stay in America are forced to leave because they are unable to obtain permanent visas. Some do not bother to come in the first place. This is often due to visa shortages, long waits for green cards, and lack of mobility."http://mashable.com/2013/05/21/high-tech-immigration-reform/

You didn't show a lie, Whir-LIE-turd, merely a string of hypothetical situations on which you've built a sham conclusion.

What specifically did he lie about in the immigration speech?

You don't need to spell it out. Just quote it.

Why is it that none of you get pissed that the wealthy don't pay their fair share, hide money overseas, and damn sure take out more than they put in?? Originally Posted by Rambro Creed

The Rich do pay their fair share. But because they are rich they understand the tax laws, they understand how to invest and how to set up tax shelters. Poor people don't have that ability cause they have no money. So they have no choice but to go along with the status quo. Pay their taxes, maybe save a few bucks and be happy.

Jim

There was no coverup with Benghazi. Rice was wrong about the Video but that is what they thought at the time....

Try something else Whirly, you have nothing here. Originally Posted by flghtr65

Hahahahaha.... yeah right, you fucking Odumbo asslicker.... Get out your bullhorn, flighty, herd the sheeple! "Move along folks, there's nothing here!"

I guess you forgot – or you hoped WE forgot – all about White House Spinmeister Ben Rhodes' memo orchestrating the whole “blame the video” talking point for political reasons, huh flighty? Well, here it is again dude and it ain't going away! Susan Rice was being a good soldier and following her political Spinmeister's orders! You are the worst fucking Odumbo apologist on this board! Never a critical peep out of you! You would cover up for him if he said the earth is flat and the dinosaurs are coming back!

A good example of a lie is Bill Clinton, Madeline Albright, Sandy Berger, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, Bob Graham, Carl Levin, Al Gore, Ted Kennedy, Tom Daschle, Robert Byrd, Jay Rockefeller, Henry Waxman and Hillary Clinton and the WMD's. Originally Posted by flghtr65

Oh Gawd, again? FTFY flighty (with thanks to TheDaliLama).


"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is
clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's
weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a
great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will
use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies
is the greatest security threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten
times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with
the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including,
if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to
respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its
weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom
Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of
mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the
region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of
mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons
programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear
programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In
addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is
doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop
longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our
allies." Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and
others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and
a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the
mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass
destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and
chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible
to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as
Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and
developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and
biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course
to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities.
Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the
authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein
because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass
destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear
weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we
have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in
development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11
years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he
disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any
nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" Rep.
- Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports
show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and
biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his
nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to
terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if
left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity
to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to
develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that
Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing
capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass
destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to
his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass
destruction. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass
destruction is real."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

.

Oh Gawd, again? FTFY flighty (with thanks to TheDaliLama).


"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is
clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's
weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a
great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will
use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies
is the greatest security threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten
times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with
the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including,
if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to
respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its
weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom
Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of
mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the
region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of
mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons
programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear
programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In
addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is
doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop
longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our
allies." Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and
others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and
a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the
mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass
destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and
chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible
to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as
Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and
developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and
biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course
to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities.
Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the
authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein
because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass
destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear
weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we
have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in
development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11
years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he
disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any
nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" Rep.
- Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports
show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and
biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his
nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to
terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if
left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity
to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to
develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that
Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing
capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass
destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to
his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass
destruction. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass
destruction is real."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

. Originally Posted by lustylad

Clinton did not Invade Iraq and spend 2 trillion dollars to look for corroded weapons from the 1980's. You are a Bush asslicker. In your mind everything Bush did was right. There is a reason why Bush left office with a 71% disapproval rating. Bush was a disaster.