Congratulations NRA, two media members have fallen to your cause

Crazy, is the idea that more guns is the answer.

gun deaths per 100,000 in a year

United States10.64
United Kingdom0.26

one has very liberal gun laws, one has very strict gun laws. . . I guess the Brits are crazy cause they are less likely to be shot to death in the streets like a dog.

This is what the NRA wants, they are proud every time people are shot because they value guns more than they value human life. Way to go. Originally Posted by southtown4488

That is one of the dumbest things I have heard in argument for gun control from so many tangible aspects.

The visible and discernible disintegration of society's value on human life and respect for others has caused this young man and many others to walk our planet without conscience. Its not a Republican and Democrat thing...it is a family upbringing thing. Faith was always one way children were able to learn about respect for others from a bigger perspective even when taught at home. And if you I don't believe in God, you could still teach your child about hard work, respect and the value of human life. The loss of those societal values have resulted in many with a poor perspective on life, with little respect for themselves and therefore little respect for others.

Because this man clearly didn't value human life enough to stop himself we need to police individuals to keep them from being unwise and doing something stupid? And the easiest way to do so is to take away guns? Just plain dumb.

Im not blaming the inanimate object, im blaming the people that allow the unchecked flow of inanimate objects that make killing innocent people much easier. If the U.S. govt allowed any civilian to have a nuclear bomb and then the bomb went off killing a hundred thousand people, its the govnts fault and those that pushed the govnt for allowing such a dangerous situation. Originally Posted by southtown4488

It's gotta chap your lib-retard ass to know that one of your gay, black lib-retarded MSM talking-heads assassinated two innocent people, suckclown, but the fact remains, it was the criminal's intent that matters: not the weapon.

gun deaths per 100,000 in a year

United States10.64
United Kingdom0.26

one has very liberal gun laws, one has very strict gun laws. . . I guess the Brits are crazy cause they are less likely to be shot to death in the streets like a dog. Originally Posted by southtown4488

The fact that Britain still reports gun homicides ought to be a clue that its ban on guns isn't working, suckclown.

Abortion is legal and constitutional, get over it. Originally Posted by southtown4488

Gun ownership is legal and constitutional, get over it, suckclown.

That is one of the dumbest things I have heard in argument for gun control from so many tangible aspects.

The visible and discernible disintegration of society's value on human life and respect for others has caused this young man and many others to walk our planet without conscience. Its not a Republican and Democrat thing...it is a family upbringing thing. Faith was always one way children were able to learn about respect for others from a bigger perspective even when taught at home. And if you I don't believe in God, you could still teach your child about hard work, respect and the value of human life. The loss of those societal values have resulted in many with a poor perspective on life, with little respect for themselves and therefore little respect for others.

Because this man clearly didn't value human life enough to stop himself we need to police individuals to keep them from being unwise and doing something stupid? And the easiest way to do so is to take away guns? Just plain dumb. Originally Posted by CS25

Crazy people with guns are FAR more dangerous to society than crazy people without guns.

Im not blaming the inanimate object, im blaming the people that allow the unchecked flow of inanimate objects that make killing innocent people much easier. If the U.S. govt allowed any civilian to have a nuclear bomb and then the bomb went off killing a hundred thousand people, its the govnts fault and those that pushed the govnt for allowing such a dangerous situation. Originally Posted by southtown4488

The NRA is the oldest civil right organization in this country. The first gun control laws were written by the NRA. The NRA is out front about preventing the mentally ill, the truly sick, from having access to guns. It is the liberal laws concerning mental health and privacy that is preventing the enforcement of "common sense" gun laws. Of course Vester would still have been able to buy a pistol since he had never been treated, had never committed a crime, and had never been dishonorably discharged from our military. The liberal laws worked! So that is who is to be blamed. The liberal laws that allowed someone like Vester, or James Holmes, or Jared Lee Loughner to legally buy a weapon. They're your laws, own them.

Popped open a bottle of champagne?

You're seriously sick. Originally Posted by Ex-CEO

People on your side of the aisle seemed to have popped a bottle over PP and the baby parts. Is it any less sick?

Crazy people with guns are FAR more dangerous to society than crazy people without guns. Originally Posted by southtown4488

Define crazy? Think of yourself as you reply back ya goofy bastard.

Jim

The NRA is the oldest civil right organization in this country. The first gun control laws were written by the NRA. The NRA is out front about preventing the mentally ill, the truly sick, from having access to guns. It is the liberal laws concerning mental health and privacy that is preventing the enforcement of "common sense" gun laws. Of course Vester would still have been able to buy a pistol since he had never been treated, had never committed a crime, and had never been dishonorably discharged from our military. The liberal laws worked! So that is who is to be blamed. The liberal laws that allowed someone like Vester, or James Holmes, or Jared Lee Loughner to legally buy a weapon. They're your laws, own them. Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

People should have to pass a background check and a mental evaluation similar to what police have to go through in order to get a gun, seems reasonable.

People should have to pass a background check and a mental evaluation similar to what police have to go through in order to get a gun, seems reasonable. Originally Posted by southtown4488

I could certainly go along with that. Also, they should have to pay a hefty fee to make the examination thorough and meaningful. Additionally, they should have to be a legal citizen of the United States to carry the gun.

The level of gun violence in the United States is utterly ridiculous. Arguing that it isn't makes you look stupid, uninformed or just downright callous. The idea that we live in a society where a man can walk into an elementary school with an assault rifle and massacre 20 six year olds ought to be unacceptable. But, apparently, it's not. According to a post from just the other day, that is the price we pay to live in the United States.

The reality is that the gun genie is out of the bottle. Even if Americans came to their senses and realized that having such easy access to firearms promulgates firearms violence, here is no way to confiscate or get control of the hundreds of millions of guns that are out there in circulation.

So, every day, we bury the 30 or so people in the US whose death was caused by a firearm and the other 300 or so that suffer gunshot wounds go to the hospital. It is truly insane when you think about it. But, most folks don't. Until it's your six year old being lowered into the ground.

The level of gun violence in the United States is utterly ridiculous. Arguing that it isn't makes you look stupid, uninformed or just downright callous. The idea that we live in a society where a man can walk into an elementary school with an assault rifle and massacre 20 six year olds ought to be unacceptable. But, apparently, it's not. According to a post from just the other day, that is the price we pay to live in the United States.

The reality is that the gun genie is out of the bottle. Even if Americans came to their senses and realized that having such easy access to firearms promulgates firearms violence, here is no way to confiscate or get control of the hundreds of millions of guns that are out there in circulation.

I agree with you there. If gun control as envisioned by its supporters were to be truly effective, it would have to have been implemented decades ago. There are what now, something like 300-350 million guns in the US? Clearly, if a determined actor wishes to obtain an illegally-owned handgun and has a few hundred bucks, nothing can stop him. Maybe a more robust system of background checks and handgun licensure procedures, and training program requirements, would somewhat mitigate the risks to the public and should be implemented. I would be all for that, but am not sure what else can be done, given the current set of circumstances.

I'm afraid the problem is going to be with us for generations.

So, every day, we bury the 30 or so people in the US whose death was caused by a firearm and the other 300 or so that suffer gunshot wounds go to the hospital. It is truly insane when you think about it. But, most folks don't. Until it's your six year old being lowered into the ground. Originally Posted by timpage

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There are no facts in evidence supporting the statement that the NRA values guns over human life in general.

. Originally Posted by DSK

IF you were shown tomorrow that eliminating gun ownership in the US would result in less murders would you vote for that?

I have asked gun owners this question before and they have always answered no. Said its their right.

Illinois, and Chicago in particular, have some of the strictest gun laws in the country. Hasn't done them a damned bit of good. The only ones left without guns are the law abiding citizens. The lawless gangs have them all. Take a look at their stats...

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You can piss and moan all you want to. The 2nd Amendment is not going away.
Gun control? Yeah... I use both hands.

That is one of the dumbest things I have heard in argument for gun control from so many tangible aspects.

The visible and discernible disintegration of society's value on human life and respect for others has caused this young man and many others to walk our planet without conscience. Its not a Republican and Democrat thing...it is a family upbringing thing. Faith was always one way children were able to learn about respect for others from a bigger perspective even when taught at home. And if you I don't believe in God, you could still teach your child about hard work, respect and the value of human life. The loss of those societal values have resulted in many with a poor perspective on life, with little respect for themselves and therefore little respect for others.

Because this man clearly didn't value human life enough to stop himself we need to police individuals to keep them from being unwise and doing something stupid? And the easiest way to do so is to take away guns? Just plain dumb. Originally Posted by CS25

Mostly complete garbage. This was the case of someone with obvious mental problems being able to get ahold of a gun. It takes two to tango.

Now this is when you say the standard gun owner argument that if it wasn't a gun then it could have been a knife, a baseball bat or whatever else you will try to bring up. But if you really believe a knife, or a bat or anything else is an lethal as a gun then why fight so hard to keep guns. You can just get a knife of a bat. Oh yeah its because gun owners obviously know that a gun is a ton more lethal.


I am actually a middle of the roader on this issue but if anyone thinks that a ton of people don't worship their guns rights above all else then they are blind and its disturbing.


Gun nuts on this board. If you were faced with a choice of dying or giving up your guns which would it be? I have yet to see a gun nut say he would rather give up his guns. Very disturbing..
There is something sick about way to many gun owners, and I have never met a person I don't think is a nut who doesn't of course own a gun.