BE VERY AWARE OF Astin Martin on p411

Bob - The Nolan Ryan bit is about snow monkeys, not spider monkeys. July 1st is Snow Monkey day at the Ballpark.

I didn't say Gina needed to be the BBFS police. I just said don't make the mistake of trying to get any sympathy from her on the subject. Period, end of story.

I didn't take offense to how you phrased it. You are correct, I have zero sympathy, especially when 99.9% of providers are engaging in BB everything else.

If you are given the option to say no, SAY NO if you aren't cool with it. I had no problem saying no to a million guys asking for BBBJ when I was a provider (back when BBBJ was taboo), why is it suddenly so difficult to say no to BBFS?

If you are still okay going through with the visit, go ahead. He did say that BB was not required, that it would just be preferred. The option to say no is there.

However, do be aware that a bunch of gossippy bitches will go "spider monkey on your ass" (love it and will be using it in future threats! haha) when they see your Okay. They will automatically take it as meaning that you engaged in BB, even though he clearly states that it wasn't a deal-breaker. I suggest you not pay too much attention to those girls and what they say though, because rarely does anything better than mindless drivel come out of them.

Always,
Gina

Bob, I think you a referring to snow monkeys on The Ticket.

(oops - I see I'm late on this reply. Sorry)

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-Matador Originally Posted by Matador

There is no eccie member named Astin Martin. I also didn't see anything in the original post to suggest that Mr. Martin is a member of eccie under some other alias. Given that there is no evidence to suggest that Mr. Martin is an eccie member, I don't see how the cited rule applies. Is there a new rule that emails, etc. with a non-member cannot be posted?

Gina and The Dannie, forces of nature and both saying the same thing. I know two providers that were hurt (both victims of Viagra abuse and GHB, both to the ER with a bruised cervix) by clients with P411 OKs. Screen, Screen, Screen, I have many OKs but don't mind giving references at all. Ladies if you don't know the reference then be very careful indeeed.

I know two providers that were hurt (both victims of Viagra abuse and GBH, both to the ER with a bruised cervix) by clients with P411 OKs

I always find it interesting when "victims" are reported by clients, but never heard from anywhere else. Anything is possible, but why didn't these two victims tell P411 about these very serious issues - GHB? The date-rape drug??? Are you saying there are providers who were drugged by P411 members and they didn't bother to let me know about it?

Most providers have no problem coming to me, in fact they come to me all day long, every day, with the pettiest of complaints. "A guy just asked me for BBFS in a private message!!!" is just one, of many, example. It just seems really strange that there are TWO very serious situations out there that no one but you has heard about.

Please have them contact me immediately!

(also keep in mind that some providers are masters at creating sob stories in order to work a little extra cash out of their client "friends")

Sincerely,
Gina

I didn't take offense to how you phrased it. You are correct, I have zero sympathy, especially when 99.9% of providers are engaging in BB everything else.

If you are given the option to say no, SAY NO if you aren't cool with it. I had no problem saying no to a million guys asking for BBBJ when I was a provider (back when BBBJ was taboo), why is it suddenly so difficult to say no to BBFS?

If you are still okay going through with the visit, go ahead. He did say that BB was not required, that it would just be preferred. The option to say no is there.

However, do be aware that a bunch of gossippy bitches will go "spider monkey on your ass" (love it and will be using it in future threats! haha) when they see your Okay. They will automatically take it as meaning that you engaged in BB, even though he clearly states that it wasn't a deal-breaker. I suggest you not pay too much attention to those girls and what they say though, because rarely does anything better than mindless drivel come out of them.

Always,
Gina Originally Posted by GinaXXX

Gina,

Obviously I'm not a provider but I do have a suggestion to help make your site more useful to providers and clients. Enable people to "ignore" / filter out OKs by individual client/provider. For instance, let's say Dannie wanted to ignore all the OKs by another provider named I<3BBFS. She click a button that would then filter out all the OKs that originated from I<3BBFS. Obviously you'd probably need to hire a programmer I'm betting a lot of clients would use the service. You could even get into a whole more complicated filtering system with rules like:
-ignore all OKs from providers with less than 6 months on the board
-ignore all OKs from providers who have OKd specific clients
etc...

If you must hobby, hobby safe. Your decisions don't just affect you.

or they fail to use P411 and put notes on the profile about him, Originally Posted by LazurusLong

There is a place to put notes, but they're only visible to the individual provider herself. It's a place to make notes to oneself. other providers don't see one's notes. All we can share about a client is checking the box with the two-letter "OK".

Enable people to "ignore" / filter out OKs by individual client/provider. For instance, let's say ProviderX wanted to ignore all the OKs by another provider named I<3BBF

I inserted ProviderX because I don't want to focus on any one person as being the example, it refers to any number of providers.



The problem is that ProviderX doesn't want to "ignore" anyone. If ProviderX merely wanted to ignore them, she would. ProviderX usually not only wants to know who has done what and when, she also wants to spread that information through the community.

Thanks for the suggestion though.



Always,
Gina

Gina, no offense intended your staff has always been super to me. As to the providers one moved and I lost track of her. The other took it as a omen and retired but not before she savaged the client in the powder room of a now defunct board, only then did other providers come forwarded, as to your fine service I can not speak to her actions. My point is that you provide an invaluable service but you are not the House Mom, some of the bad players start out ok then their behavior starts to change. An OK from last year might lead a provider to seek additional information. One other thought, it is not always young girls that have trouble one of my friends was 50 and in the business for 10 years, maybe these guys have "Mommy Issues"

Ok...I think I got this figured out. The only guys allowed on P411 are rich, handsome and only want to book time with a lady to take her shopping to buy her jewelry, furs and cars.

Only women allowed on P411 are 21y/o super models who are willing to bareback old, fat ugly guys and even be willing to pay the guys because they're such studs.

If a lady complains about a guy, Gina must chop his balls off. And if a guy complains about lady, Gina must shanghai her to a poor third world country and trade her for a donkey.

Everyone happy?

Ok...I think I got this figured out. The only guys allowed on P411 are rich, handsome and only want to book time with a lady to take her shopping to buy her jewelry, furs and cars.

Only women allowed on P411 are 21y/o super models who are willing to bareback old, fat ugly guys and even be willing to pay the guys because they're such studs.

If a lady complains about a guy, Gina must chop his balls off. And if a guy complains about lady, Gina must shanghai her to a poor third world country and trade her for a donkey.

Everyone happy?

HAHAHAHA.... yes!!!!

Hercules that was good I don't envy Gina's job either. Its real easy to complain, but its harder to be the person in charge. When you have so many people to listen to, not knowing personally each of them, to weed out BS from legitimate issues is always dicey.


Not trying to take side on either issue, but having bit of experience in Adult world ( managed a Strip club long time ago), With ladies or Men, you always take stuff with grain of salt and make sure you have a good verification on complaints. That aint that easy as it sounds.

I wish I had read this before I responded to this perve Astin Martin. He is scary and got me suspended from P411 today by telling Gina I referred him to another site for contacting me, just because I did not let him have his way (psycho).She reads the messages that I and most providers assume are private and sends me a copy of my messages to this psycho stating that he can view my tour and video on Eroticvisitor.com because I think the 10 dollar per town fee is excessive. She sends me a message saying well if I think its excessive she wont burden me with it anymore and suspends me. We were all lured on to this site for FREE.Yes it is excessive and greedy.We are all making less now than in years past. No one gets enough business from this site to warrant $10 per town.She does not support the provider.

Wait, you mean Gina is running a for-profit business instead of a charity for escorts and clients? I'm shocked!