Uh, the Senate has TWO bills on their desk that do just that. Maybe they should vote on one of them. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuyBy the same reasoning the House could try scheduling an up or down vote on the Senate bill it has.
- chefnerd
- 10-04-2013, 11:45 AM
- Guest041316
- 10-04-2013, 12:10 PM
I will admit, I read the recall thing incorrectly, at the time I was so pissed about the veterans visiting the WWll memorial amongst other things, that my brain was stuck in blonde mode.....
BUT, as to the gentlemen who stated that some of the women on WIC should get jobs and stop asking for handouts, the majority of women on WIC are employed. These aren't food stamps, they help buy food specifically for infants and young children. Things like formula, cereal, cheese, milk and juice. It does not purchase things like soda or candy. Only things to help the innocents in all of this, the kids, get proper nutrition.
Halting the program, ensures that these children will experience other health issues, so how does it make any sense to halt this program, in the name of health?
I am one of those Americans that Obamacare would actually help. I am a cancer survivor and because of my pre-existing condition, getting health insurance has been cost prohibitive to me.......but I would rather pay more in insurance than know that 9 million pregnant women and babies can't get the proper nutrition during a time that will impact their health not just now, but in the future.
Our commander in chief is acting like a spoiled petulant child, who if he can't get his way, exactly how he wants it, no one else can have anything either, even if it means those others go without pay, food, and necessities to live while he continues to live in a home that our tax dollars pay for, has a pay check, and food on his table.
What he is pulling is the same bullshit that he played during the sequester, he is making sure we all feel his reigning dictatorship.
As to the NOAA, 6,601 of their employees were sent home without pay. They will continue to update for critical weather, but according to their web sites home page: http://governmentshutdown.noaa.gov/
The rest of the NOAA employees received this letter;"Because your services are no longer needed for orderly suspension of operations and you are not engaged in one of the excepted functions, you are being placed in a furlough status effective October 1, 2013
BUT, as to the gentlemen who stated that some of the women on WIC should get jobs and stop asking for handouts, the majority of women on WIC are employed. These aren't food stamps, they help buy food specifically for infants and young children. Things like formula, cereal, cheese, milk and juice. It does not purchase things like soda or candy. Only things to help the innocents in all of this, the kids, get proper nutrition.
Halting the program, ensures that these children will experience other health issues, so how does it make any sense to halt this program, in the name of health?
I am one of those Americans that Obamacare would actually help. I am a cancer survivor and because of my pre-existing condition, getting health insurance has been cost prohibitive to me.......but I would rather pay more in insurance than know that 9 million pregnant women and babies can't get the proper nutrition during a time that will impact their health not just now, but in the future.
Our commander in chief is acting like a spoiled petulant child, who if he can't get his way, exactly how he wants it, no one else can have anything either, even if it means those others go without pay, food, and necessities to live while he continues to live in a home that our tax dollars pay for, has a pay check, and food on his table.
What he is pulling is the same bullshit that he played during the sequester, he is making sure we all feel his reigning dictatorship.
As to the NOAA, 6,601 of their employees were sent home without pay. They will continue to update for critical weather, but according to their web sites home page: http://governmentshutdown.noaa.gov/
The rest of the NOAA employees received this letter;"Because your services are no longer needed for orderly suspension of operations and you are not engaged in one of the excepted functions, you are being placed in a furlough status effective October 1, 2013
- CJ7
- 10-04-2013, 12:48 PM
Our commander in chief is acting like a spoiled petulant child, who if he can't get his way, exactly how he wants it, no one else can have anything either, even if it means those others go without pay, food, and necessities to live while he continues to live in a home that our tax dollars pay for, has a pay check, and food on his table.
our commander doesn't vote in congress (blond moment?), the shutdown is political posturing at its usual... You talk about healthcare helping you, but fail to realize the Republican House attached "defund healthcare" to the process of funding the government aka budget, which has absolutely nothing to do with funding the government, and funding the government is congressional responsibility as described in the Constitution ..
our commander doesn't vote in congress (blond moment?), the shutdown is political posturing at its usual... You talk about healthcare helping you, but fail to realize the Republican House attached "defund healthcare" to the process of funding the government aka budget, which has absolutely nothing to do with funding the government, and funding the government is congressional responsibility as described in the Constitution ..
- Guest041316
- 10-04-2013, 01:09 PM
I do get everything your saying. No blonde moments.... I do realize that everything that is occurring right now, is all political posturing. Although the Obamacare on some levels would help me, I honestly have been against it from the start. But what I am against even more is it being used by both sides as a tool, a play in a power struggle.
Look, I am going to admit, right now I am just angry as hell and frustrated by what I see occurring in our country. I am angry that I feel so helpless in all of it. I am angry that I can march on Washington until I am blue in the face, that I can sign a million and one petitions, I can write to my congressmen, but nothing I do will matter. I am angry that there are simple logical solutions to all of it, and that because of political peacocking, people are suffering. I am angry that every time I turn around, constitutional rights are being violated.
I am angry that this country, that everyone in my family has served, including in Politics, has become a mockery, and that we have people who were barely surviving, whose paychecks were taken away from them, and that there is a clause in their contracts that state during the furlough, they cannot seek other employment, even if temporary work, to help them get by, or they risk being fired.
Outside of "this hobby" I am a small business owner who will more than likely have to close my doors by the end of the year. My business can't afford to survive much longer, and in part it is because the people that spend money with me, are employed by the government, and now they have no income, and while they might get their jobs back soon, losing even a weeks work of pay is something many of them cannot recover from easily.
So please ignore my ramblings, or teach me, but understand, I'm just saddened by what I see happening, and I am angry about it. My grandfather helped with several Presidential campaigns, my family has fought in wars, because they believed in this country, as I have, but now the only thing I feel is helpless, unsafe, fear, and afraid.
Look, I am going to admit, right now I am just angry as hell and frustrated by what I see occurring in our country. I am angry that I feel so helpless in all of it. I am angry that I can march on Washington until I am blue in the face, that I can sign a million and one petitions, I can write to my congressmen, but nothing I do will matter. I am angry that there are simple logical solutions to all of it, and that because of political peacocking, people are suffering. I am angry that every time I turn around, constitutional rights are being violated.
I am angry that this country, that everyone in my family has served, including in Politics, has become a mockery, and that we have people who were barely surviving, whose paychecks were taken away from them, and that there is a clause in their contracts that state during the furlough, they cannot seek other employment, even if temporary work, to help them get by, or they risk being fired.
Outside of "this hobby" I am a small business owner who will more than likely have to close my doors by the end of the year. My business can't afford to survive much longer, and in part it is because the people that spend money with me, are employed by the government, and now they have no income, and while they might get their jobs back soon, losing even a weeks work of pay is something many of them cannot recover from easily.
So please ignore my ramblings, or teach me, but understand, I'm just saddened by what I see happening, and I am angry about it. My grandfather helped with several Presidential campaigns, my family has fought in wars, because they believed in this country, as I have, but now the only thing I feel is helpless, unsafe, fear, and afraid.
- Wakeup
- 10-04-2013, 01:12 PM
What's funny is that I immediately knew you misinterpreted it. The rest of the posters here were so busy missing the forest for seeing the trees that they just went off about who to blame rather than addressing the fact that your entire premise was flawed...
Sheep...I'm starting to realize why I don't post here regularly...
Sheep...I'm starting to realize why I don't post here regularly...
- CJ7
- 10-04-2013, 01:31 PM
What's funny is that I immediately knew you misinterpreted it. The rest of the posters here were so busy missing the forest for seeing the trees that they just went off about who to blame rather than addressing the fact that your entire premise was flawed...well then WK since you know the lady so well teach her about Congressional procedure/protocol with any administration ... she's willing to learn
Sheep...I'm starting to realize why I don't post here regularly... Originally Posted by Wakeuр
WK's .... now I remember why I don't review hookers any more
- Guest041316
- 10-04-2013, 02:56 PM
He's not WKing me. He's just being empathetic and with an open mind.
Since when did it become WK if someone doesn't even agree with another, but just states that they realized someone else had made a mistake and has chosen not to belittle them for it.
For what it's worth, I grew up in a household filled with those in Politics, as well as still in politics. I logically understand Congressional Procedure, on the other hand, I as a human being just can't grasp the need to make innocent others suffer needlessly in a cock fight. What can I say? I am a humanitarian with a bleeding heart, who happens to be Republican. Go figure.
I don't know why I am bothering though. The minute you made use of the word "hooker" I realized we view human beings differently. You by occupations and as objects, me, by their character and actions. Yours ring loud and clear.
Since when did it become WK if someone doesn't even agree with another, but just states that they realized someone else had made a mistake and has chosen not to belittle them for it.
For what it's worth, I grew up in a household filled with those in Politics, as well as still in politics. I logically understand Congressional Procedure, on the other hand, I as a human being just can't grasp the need to make innocent others suffer needlessly in a cock fight. What can I say? I am a humanitarian with a bleeding heart, who happens to be Republican. Go figure.
I don't know why I am bothering though. The minute you made use of the word "hooker" I realized we view human beings differently. You by occupations and as objects, me, by their character and actions. Yours ring loud and clear.
- CJ7
- 10-04-2013, 03:05 PM
He's not WKing me. He's just being empathetic and with an open mind.
Since when did it become WK if someone doesn't even agree with another, but just states that they realized someone else had made a mistake and has chosen not to belittle them for it.
For what it's worth, I grew up in a household filled with those in Politics, as well as still in politics. I logically understand Congressional Procedure, on the other hand, I as a human being just can't grasp the need to make innocent others suffer needlessly in a cock fight. What can I say? I am a humanitarian with a bleeding heart, who happens to be Republican. Go figure.
I don't know why I am bothering though. The minute you made use of the word "hooker" I realized we view human beings differently. You by occupations and as objects, me, by their character and actions. Yours ring loud and clear. Originally Posted by MissCallieYork
you deemed the shutdown Obama's fault ... its not.
If the House wants to repeal or amend a LAW ( and the AHCA is a law, passed by congress signed the POTUS) they should follow the procedure in the constitution , not attatch their personal agenda/resolution to a Constitutional mandate ..
- Guest041316
- 10-04-2013, 03:06 PM
@Wakeup. Thank you. It was actually your original post calling me out on it, that made me relook at the information and realize I had been mistaken. Thank you.
Something that occurred to me with the NOAA shut down, is that now we will be able to see how an organization like the weather channel will step up to the plate alerting us to potentially dangerous weather without spending our tax dollars.
Something that occurred to me with the NOAA shut down, is that now we will be able to see how an organization like the weather channel will step up to the plate alerting us to potentially dangerous weather without spending our tax dollars.
- CJ7
- 10-04-2013, 03:14 PM
somehow this thread reminds me of a lady being interviewed ... the person conducting the interview ask her if Obamacare increased the chances of gun control
she immediately answered
YES !!
she immediately answered
YES !!
- WTF
- 10-04-2013, 03:25 PM
- Doove
- 10-04-2013, 03:29 PM
Halting the program, ensures that these children will experience other health issues, so how does it make any sense to halt this program, in the name of health?The arguments you pose are just truly mind boggling.
I am one of those Americans that Obamacare would actually help. I am a cancer survivor and because of my pre-existing condition, getting health insurance has been cost prohibitive to me.......but I would rather pay more in insurance than know that 9 million pregnant women and babies can't get the proper nutrition during a time that will impact their health not just now, but in the future.
Our commander in chief is acting like a spoiled petulant child, who if he can't get his way, exactly how he wants it, no one else can have anything either, Originally Posted by MissCallieYork
You do realize, do you not, that the Republicans are shutting down the programs you seem to hold near and dear in order to keep your insurance cost prohibitive? Yet you come in here ranting and raving against the guy/party who's trying to help you. And whether you want that help or not, frankly, i don't care. Nevertheless, there are millions of people like you who will welcome and rely on that help and those people i will tend to care about.
Republicans are screwing some people who need help (those you care about) in order to try to screw people who need help, whom you don't seem to give a shit about. I could just as easily use your argument and ask just how much sense does it make to worry about people getting two weeks of proper nutrition when you don't seem to give a damn about whether or not they can afford to have their diseases cured.
And i can't believe this needs to be pointed out to you. I mean, really.
- CJ7
- 10-04-2013, 03:37 PM
The arguments you pose are just truly mind boggling.
You do realize, do you not, that the Republicans are shutting down the programs you seem to hold near and dear in order to keep your insurance cost prohibitive? Yet you come in here ranting and raving against the guy/party who's trying to help you. And whether you want that help or not, frankly, i don't care. Nevertheless, there are millions of people like you who will welcome and rely on that help and those people i will tend to care about.
Republicans are screwing some people who need help (those you care about) in order to try to screw people who need help, whom you don't seem to give a shit about. I could just as easily use your argument and ask just how much sense does it make to worry about people getting two weeks of proper nutrition when you don't seem to give a damn about whether or not they can afford to have their diseases cured.
And i can't believe this needs to be pointed out to you. I mean, really. Originally Posted by Doove
a wise man once said ...
no, she doesn't.
- Guest041316
- 10-04-2013, 03:39 PM
I don't blame Obama for the entire shit down. I blame all the key players, but let's face the reality. Obama is our Commander in Chief. In the end, yes, the blame is on his shoulders.
This shut down is not in reality about Obamacare, aka; the affordable care act, it is about the fiscal budget for 2014, which Obama, as always, dragged his feet. Much like his actions last year during the sequester.
In March the Republicans passed a budget for 3.6. The Dems 3.7. The house and senate approved the budget in March. Obama called for 3.77, April 10th.
This shut down in reality has nothing to do with Obamacare, but with a bunch of grown men, still duking it out over the fiscal budget for 2014, which should have been handled months ago. (So many similarities to last year.... and who paid for it then? The people who needed it the most, those who were waiting for their refunds, just like now, but instead of refunds, it's paychecks)
Our debt crisis continues, those who could not afford to lose their paychecks are suffering needlessly, other countries are mocking us, and the leaders of both parties, and our Chief Commander are all putting on elaborate shows instead of fixing
This shut down is not in reality about Obamacare, aka; the affordable care act, it is about the fiscal budget for 2014, which Obama, as always, dragged his feet. Much like his actions last year during the sequester.
In March the Republicans passed a budget for 3.6. The Dems 3.7. The house and senate approved the budget in March. Obama called for 3.77, April 10th.
This shut down in reality has nothing to do with Obamacare, but with a bunch of grown men, still duking it out over the fiscal budget for 2014, which should have been handled months ago. (So many similarities to last year.... and who paid for it then? The people who needed it the most, those who were waiting for their refunds, just like now, but instead of refunds, it's paychecks)
Our debt crisis continues, those who could not afford to lose their paychecks are suffering needlessly, other countries are mocking us, and the leaders of both parties, and our Chief Commander are all putting on elaborate shows instead of fixing
- CJ7
- 10-04-2013, 03:46 PM
see dove?