p411 profiles, y services offered are blank?

on my site or p411. Originally Posted by Kaylee

So Kaylee, what is your website, and where do we find you on P411?

So Kaylee, what is your website, and where do we find you on P411? Originally Posted by stavinChain

You can pm me with references and a phone number, and if we hit it off we can go from there. Are you in the Boca area?

I am not a member of any screening site, because I don't trust anyone to screen for me. I guess my post was confusing because I included 411 just as a general statement, meaning to say "IF" I did have a profile, I would never list anything.

Sorry...

Kaylee,
Do you have a website?

I think the only thing I list is things I WON'T do.... I think it's cheesy to list beyond GFE or PFE. CBJ is about as depressing as window shopping.... and I wish they would have told me beforehand. I Originally Posted by Jacquie

Ahh touche. Thats why I was inquiring about ladies checking the profile for mutual comfort.
I couldnt find your p411 profile to observe yours as opposed to others. Is your preference hypothetical like Kaylee's?

And as far as anything more than the acroynms GFE and PSE being considered cheesy in your book, What about the review links most ladies include on their profile. Is that just a necessary medium, or more for the purpose of informing D client of her past performances.

Im basically asking whats the difference of not adding it when she references her services anyway? I know some ladies dont or wont, but is that less cheesy in your opinion or permissable.

If I saw a review where D services option n BCD comments said merely just GFE/PSE, it would be subjective n useless.

my point is if a providers put gfe/pse on there ads then do it. if you cant coz of the Client. i feel and would like to know why. it just like you see some kids washing cars for 15$ next u have a vip detail for 70$ you know the kids will just wash the outside and maybe the tires. now if you see signs saying detail and you only get the outside wash. the vip place dont tell you why they just did the outside would you be ok with that. kaylee you said it fun not work right. to me a cbj is not fun, no kissing and daty in no fun to me. i dont want you to take this the wrong way. i dont want to defende anyone. but you said fun not work then why we pay you. to me it seem you all out for yourself. u might think im a asshole for that. i seen many providers. i have reveiw them. i act like the providers are my gf i tip and bring them gifts. i dont want a play by play. i never ask the providers to do anything they ask me i tell them whatever she likes to do with me. if not happy i say nothing i just dont book them again. i dont write bad reveiws. coz i understand she might not like the way i look or the way i act.

i personally try never to advertise services due to LE prying eyes. it's one thing to say "this much time costs this much money" but it's something far more incriminating to say "for this much money you can get these illegal acts".

as for the guys profile, i find it very helpful. for example, it helps to know before hand that he doesn't want me to wear perfume before i show up drenched in smell goods that could possibly get him into trouble later.

Kaylee,
Do you have a website? Originally Posted by stavinChain

I am pretty sure this is NOT the topic at hand, and at the risk of being yelled at for getting off the topic, please pm me with any questions you may have. I will not give you any info until I know who you are and that you are even serious about a visit.

My apologies mods but I did ask him in the last post to pm me rather than discuss this here...

my point is if a providers put gfe/pse on there ads then do it. if i dont want you to take this the wrong way. i dont want to defende anyone. but you said fun not work then why we pay you. to me it seem you all out for yourself. u might think im a asshole for that. i seen many providers. i have reveiw them. i act like the providers are my gf i tip and bring them gifts. i dont want a play by play. i never ask the providers to do anything they ask me i tell them whatever she likes to do with me. if not happy i say nothing i just dont book them again. i dont write bad reveiws. coz i understand she might not like the way i look or the way i act. Originally Posted by brother

If I could understand even half of what you are saying, I might be able to form some sort of answer. As it stands the only part I could clearly make out was the part about it being work, and no fun for us. What planet are you on? If it is that much of a chore and a hassle to see someone, why bother?

Some of us prefer men who do offer us some enjoyment regardless of what position we are in. Unlike the last girl you bashed, I can assure you your time would not be wasted getting me off, then taking a nap. I would always make sure YOU were satisfied, but if you choose to spend more than half of YOUR time on me, don't complain when the clock runs out.

I cannot tell you the amount of times a guy is like, "I just want to make you happy." Hmm really? How about letting me do my job the best way I know how and have a great time. If you want a gfe, then pretend I AM your GF for the entire time. I would never tell a guy he has to kiss me or do anything else he is not comfortable with, but it sure makes the sex a hell of a lot easier when I am ready down there with some nice foreplay.

I didn't say I just wanted to lay there and do nothing, but a list of demands of what a girl must do and for how cheap she must do it, does not appeal to me. If you want something, just do it! It's not that complicated really. Even if she does say she does something, she could still rip you off when you arrive.

The point is that if you claim you want gfe yet you want an acrobatic monkey who "Must do xyz," then that is not gfe. Never had a boyfriend ask me anything like that, and if he just went with the date, it would not be an issue. We are professionals and for "most" of us, we are skilled enough to know you don't want a cbj and a dead fish. Granted some girls may need a map of this business, but you should do better research before seeing one.

I do all the things considered gfe and have not found a position I was not capable of doing yet; however, I have never had a guy contact me asking me if and what he would get.

If you are not happy you have every right to note that in a review...your choice to keep the girl's name to yourself then post a thread about the event at hand so others can speculate on who it was. Just say who it is in the first place in a review so you don't end up with a box full of pm's asking you "who."

Again Dave its a preference. I have been lucky for the most part thus far to find ladies who truelly love ACG and have been waiting,willing, and able to do it 20 minutes or more .. Originally Posted by gimme_that

I know it's a preference, but personally I think it's asking too much and it comes off more as a demand than a request. I love greek, but I don't expect it from every girl. ACG is probably one of the most physically tiring position a woman can do (guessing here - maybe the ladies can chime in here). Expecting one to do mostly this position, especially for overnights with multi-pops involved.

If you've been able to find girls willing and wanting to do ACG for 20 minutes then more power to you. I don't know who would want to stay in any position that long. I usually do anywhere from 3 to 8 positions in a session and whatever works works. If it doesn't I move on to the next.

I understand that ACG can be a challenging position for SOME ladies. In overnight sessions I like multiple positions primarily K9 and MISH variations too. Regular CG is good, but if she just sitting there chillin N occasionally sliding and gliding with no real rhythm in her denims its just well...CG.
But ACG is important to me personally because its a sure fire popshot since it caters to more freedom, control, and creativity for her and depth for me. Think the best lap dance you ever had and your centered squarely at the bottom of the pole lol! Im a strong dude when Im horney. If shes a lil weak in the knees I'll definitely offer hands anywhere to support her valiant effort. Some ladies love it, and some know they arent capable or just would rather have that restriction. I support and continually see the lovers. Its not hard work to them, its just as simple as taking a ride.
Glad its in my profile, and I would love to see it in hers. I dont lose either way if she considers that.... work.

It's ALL work honey! Whether you are going down on someone, or she is the ultimate porn star. If she is getting paid, it's work. From experience I know the guys with the biggest list of "demands" are also the same ones who are the cheapest too, so that alone makes the whole date uncomfortable. For what I charge, you can do whatever the hell you want and as many times as you like, and I am not going to complain about it, but enjoy it. It's when you expect a 10 hour overnight for less than 2k, and want to spend 6 hours of that having sex. Then it IS nothing but work, and not worth the time or the little bit of money. Yea right..keep dreaming.

it's wIt's when you expect a 10 hour overnight for less than 2k, and want to spend 6 hours of that having sex. Then it IS nothing but work, and not worth the time or the little bit of money. Yea right..keep dreaming. Originally Posted by Kaylee

I have not had any trouble finding nice ladies on p411, here, and others places well within your rate ranges and service attributes if applicable there. Theres someone reputable with reviews for everybody out there in hobbyland willing to accommodate.

PLEASE NO ONE TURN THIS INTO A RATE THREAD. Continued input from all perspectives is appreciated.

I have not had any trouble finding nice ladies on p411, here, and others places well within your rate ranges and service attributes if applicable there. Theres someone reputable with reviews for everybody out there in hobbyland willing to accommodate.

PLEASE NO ONE TURN THIS INTO A RATE THREAD. Continued input from all perspectives is appreciated. Originally Posted by gimme_that

You have no clue what my rates are hon, and I do agree that as a paying client you have a right to get exactly what you want, from whoever is willing to do it The point is that we don't need a list of what you want on some xyz break down...you can just tell us after you are interested in booking. Same goes for the reverse, you are not the one having to go to court and answer why you had all these services listed on your wesbite..we are. Furthermore, GFE in some states is now recognized as prostitution, so just having gfe listed is enough in those areas.

I didnt quote your comment to ask you about your rates Kaylee lol, We all see your sig line and Im sure you are.......something.

And what list do you keep referring to? If you had a p411 profile you would understand im talking about preferences some of which are already in the profile section. Chill with the list rant it doesnt apply here.
I keyed in on your quote there because of what you consider beneath you .....2G or less for an overnight not being worth your time or effort is more than adequate and benefitting to other ladies with attributes and rates you described there. Including some ladies with a seemingly endless sex drive.

Overnight rates are more availiable in ads than before, its a new norm. Those ladies rates and services acumen are their preference, not their worth. I just think you singled out a good percentage of the provider ad section saying that.

Sweetheart you asked a question and you got an answer...just not the one you liked. Oh well. Be a big boy and understand that the general market has answered your question about why they prefer not to LIST their preferences on their profiles. How can you say this has nothing to do with a list, when that was in fact your question?

You are the one turning it into a rates thread, and so what if a girl feels 2k is not enough for an overnight. I know some who think 5k is not enough. That's not for you to say is it? No one mentioned anything about the worth of a person, it's the time that was the issue. If it is adequate for one provider and not another, that's just the way it is hon.

I know plenty of women who frown upon anything less than $500 an hour...so what. If someone charges less than that and is offended that's their problem. I know I am not offended by someone who can get a grand, because I don't have low self esteem. It is what it is, and you can stop beating the issue to death. This is EXACTLY why some women price themselves out of seeing them. Why do you think you have to look for what you want? No one is the same...end of story. Anyway I do think you got your answer lol.

You have in fact on more than one occasion drilled in the fact that a girl MUST PERFORM ACG, put it in your profile list, etc. It does in fact come off as this thing you must have, and that's ok. You have that right to demand what you want as the client. What you don't get is that most girls will do anything you want, if they are not forced into doing it.