One person's 'derogatory' is another's perception of fact.
As to wives, consider this: there is no valid reason anymore except self-interest for a woman to pursue marriage. Limiting herself to one man is a bad strategy for survival as well as for emotional satisfaction. Women at one point by necessity had to trade their sexual and romantic options for material security. Now they don't. In fact 20-30 YO women make more on average than 20-30 YO men these days, at least in America. So marriage is no longer necessary nor desirable for women. This leaves only one type of woman left who seeks marriage: those who seek to use being married for a purpose. The most obvious purpose is obtaining money, etc.
As to prostitutes incurring emotional damage via dissociation, indeed, true. But who would in his or her right mind go into a line of work that inevitably causes serious mental health problems? Such a person does not much care perhaps what the cost is to herself, but looks only at the benefit: easy money. Why would a relatively well-adjusted person choose to do this voluntarily? Drug addicts may for example go into it to get money for drugs, but an addict by definition is not well-adjusted. As for trafficked women, they are being forced, so they are excluded from consideration as voluntary prostitutes. That leaves only someone who is already maladjusted, the kind who deliberately makes a self-damaging decision.
As I said, sociopathy is a spectrum. One can be clinically sociopathic, or just drawn that way. In suggesting that prostitutes are sociopathic, I am suggesting that they are on the sociopathic scale moreso than the typical person. I discussed why that might be and showed how it comes to pass, even if one perhaps does not start that way. Many sociopaths are born that way, but many more *become* that way as a matter of character development due to experience. A woman may because of the psychological impact of being a whore thus *become* increasingly sociopathic. After all, sociopathy entails a great deal of acting. Your example of an actress playing a wife but not being one is a good example. A sociopath can play a wife, etc., and never actually have any real love or commitment to her husband. Happens all the time. She may not be a born sociopath, but may in essence be *choosing* to be one for the benefits of it. Now, what kind of woman makes that decision in the first place?
BTW, I have also said that johns are more likely to be sociopathic, too. Funny, no one is going ape-shit over that. I detect a great deal of white-knighting going on here. But that is neither here nor there. I think perhaps the point is that having sex triggers in people a natural tendency to bond with the other person, ppl w/ little or no capacity to bond with others via sex can therefore easily engage in sex w/ others for pay and not feel a bit of discomfort. They naturally will gravitate to prostitution because it's easy money and no skin off their emotional noses. But if a typical woman takes up whoring, over time she will be less and less inclined to be attached to her tricks emotionally out of self-defense until she is functionally sociopathic, at least relative to her tricks.
So we must also ask ourselves: if an otherwise well-adjusted, emotionally normative man frequents prostitutes, does he not go through the same process? Do men like most of us reading thus become more sociopathic over time as a response to being johns?
Brothers (and the few sisters reading), I have to confess. I am a relentless seeker of truth, even truths hard to look at and accept. I offend people with my speculations. But because some find 4 +4 = 8 an inconvenient truth (no, I am not doing a damned global warming thing here) does not mean it is not true. I have been looking into myself. Since being involved with prostitutes, I have changed. I have become more emotionally callous. I have become less sensitive and/or empathic. This has resulted in some measurably positive outcomes: I have gotten a better job at higher pay. I did this because I was rather ruthless in my approach to interviewing. I made a better impression on interviewers than I used to. I know it was because of showing the kind of assertive self-confidence/self-interest I have had to learn as part of dealing w/ whores who have tried to use me for various reasons. The down side is I have also had these awakened traits in me lead me into conflict which may have been necessary but still could have been better-managed. Nonetheless, in some cases, it was high time the claws came out.
For me, the implications are clear: For women as whores and men as johns, if we are going to be in this game, we must pay the price of playing. This means we must accept a greater level of sociopathy in our personalities. It is unavoidable, like injuries to a football player. Play football, and you *will* get injured. It's just a question of how badly.
You started out with an interesting thought. Are providers more apt to be sociopathic? You gave examples for the position that demonstrate their sociopathic behaviors. Then you displayed your own derogatory behavior in a response to people living in their own illusions (I think you knew this thread would provoke auch a response).
Your response got very derogatory with your language and then you just went on your on delusional tangent. You bottled ALL women into the category of being just sex toys and objects, not human. Wives are essential whores looking to get paid and working their hustle. You took any credibility you might of had and threw it out the window.
I feel pity for you if you really think this way. Let me be clear, all women can be very beautiful people, even providers. They all have emotions, display wonderful trauts at times and not so wonderful traits at other times. Just because a woman sells sex does not make her less than human. The intimacy, passion, and a lot of the orgasms are a lie and fake, but she is still human. She only fakes all the emotion with her clients, hence work for her. The rest of her day she is herself.
That is sociopathic behavior, but it is an act. Do acts tend to push us down a path, I think so and it has been documented. So, does being a provider tend to lead providers toward A diagnosis of sociopathy? Possibly, but not likely, she is acting and knows the difference between reality and work. I do not think Kaley Cuoco believes she is "Penny" when she goes home. She is an actress and knows where her reality is, she is not married to Leonard.
There is emotional damage created when women sell sex, this has been documented and scientifically proven. She creates the damage by dissociation. Some women handle that damage better than others. But this is not speculation, this is fact. One can believe that the universe goes around the Earth, but science has proven that theory wrong. The Earth goes around the Sun. When humans, men included sell their bodies as sex toys, they create some self inflicted emotional damage. Heterosexual men have sold themselves to.gay men and the result is dissociation and emotional damage just as it is for women selling themselves to men.
It is impossible to create the emotional attachment close enough to be considered intimacy in a few texts or calls and 15 minutes of face to face talk before sexual activities begin. Thus, the intimacy, emotion, and even oegasms are fake. Women need to feel close to achieve orgasm and you pay for sex, which she finds repulsive is the first and huge bar to her being close to you.
Originally Posted by gentlemantoo