As for your "average person" estimate, 25% is poor, failing, and an excellent statistic to prohibit the carrying of firearms by trained, "average people." But I appreciate your support for my years of posting that CHL training is inadequate for carry purposes. Originally Posted by LLThen cops shouldn't carry either, their hit ratio is lower than civilians, by quite a bit, even though they have much more training. If we're going off of pure hit ratio numbers then it's safer for me to carry a gun than a cop, so you should be arguing for the disarmament of police.
As for life ... and things going wrong ... it is by definition murder to shoot at someone, miss that person, and hit another innocent person who dies from that hit. Originally Posted by LLThat is incorrect. Police officers and civilians are covered by the same law here. (TX since we're talking about here).
T PC Sec. 9.05. RECKLESS INJURY OF INNOCENT THIRD PERSON. Even though an actor is justified under this chapter in threatening or using force or deadly force against another, if in doing so he also recklessly injures or kills an innocent third person, the justification afforded by this chapter is unavailable in a prosecution for the reckless injury or killing of the innocent third person.You must prove recklessness to rise to the level of murder, and that is not always an easy thing to do, nor do prosecutors necessarily try that often. If what you say was true the prisons would be full of cops. Might get sued, but it's not automatically a crime to hit an innocent bystander.
The test for recklessness will generally involve asking the question of whether or not the risk was "reasonable", and that's what juries are for. Juries side with good guys surprisingly often, even when they have fucked up.
Careful playing amateur lawyer, you are entering territory you clearly don't know very well.
based on your analysis there is a 75% chance of a round striking another innocent person by the "average person" and that does not factor in pass throughs. Originally Posted by LLNot even close. There is a 75% chance that the bullet won't hit the bad guy, not a 75% chance it will hit a bystander. Most training for these high occupancy situations involves shooting at an upward angle, so it's more likely that 75% of the missed shots will hit the ceiling. And this isn't my analysis, these are stats from various law enforcement agencies around the country, based on real life history not speculation.
You are clearly not trained in how this stuff works, you are arguing from a position of emotion and gut feelings. Don't get your firearm training from movies.