Limited GFE?

I completely agree a true GFE is attitude and personality as well as everthing else just without the drama and hassle...

The problem here is that providers mean one thing when they advertise GFE, and hobbyists mean something else when they look for GFE. Makes for miscommunication.

In the end, I think GFE for most hobbyists is a combination of attitude and "services provided." And for most ladies, it is a combination of attitude and "services provided." If it weren't, providers wouldn't have a "services provided" page or a listing of them on P411. I am not in any way disparaging those ladies who don't list items on the menu. I'm just trying to point out that the market drives that listing.

But WALDT, and with that being the case it is easy to miscommunicate.

GFE is attitude not acronyms IMO and that's the way it used to be until someone said that a provider is not a GFE unless they provide xxx service. Originally Posted by TxBrandy

I generally agree that GFE is an attitude rather than a requisite list of sexual acts. I never book dates with menus or pictures -- I book dates with full-fledged human beings that I can also appreciate at a non-sexual level.

That having been said, I really don't think "limited GFE" means "no BBFS" as most GFE already means "no BBFS." It seems to me that "limited GFE" means even further restrictions. If GFE is defined as attitudinal, then it means an attitude that is less than one would expect of GFE. If GE is defined as menu items, then it means a menu restricted to less than one would usually expect from GFE.

I agree with you completely that GFE is attitudinal more than anything else. However, I also believe that GFE can be reasonably expected to include things such as kissing and sex. To a certain extent, a GFE attitude can be expected to lead to certain physical manifestations of that attitude.

Obviously, somewhere between a woman you never touch and a PSE, there is a fuzzy line within which GFE exists. And that line is pretty fuzzy. A lady with the right attitude can offer a smaller menu and have a higher rate of satisfaction than another lady with the wrong attitude who offers everything imaginable.

But I don't think it is reasonable to define GFE as attitude only. Otherwise a hobbyist could end up shucking out gobs of cash for the dubious privilege of fixing his temporary girlfriend's car while she berated him. (*grin*)

Laurentius. Your post is very nuetral and it mostly makes sense but is confusing as well.

You say gfe in your opinion is mostly attitude based initially in your post with menu and services being of no focal point standard to be considered GFE.

Then as you pondered further you commented that resonably in your words....kissing and sex had to at the very least occur for GFE.

So which stance are you taking? Obviously in some capacity her menu matters to you right?

Covered hand jobs, light or relatively no kissing, cbj, limited or no touching would not be of any specific significance as long as she has the right attitude while performing all or some of those limitations correct?

Lets be real, at the very least you are expecting something. Especially when the donation is already exchanged.

I wonder how that might affect your ATTITUDE towards advertised GFE titles should you be on the wrong side of it.

Laurentius. Your post is very nuetral and it mostly makes sense but is confusing as well.

You say gfe in your opinion is mostly attitude based initially in your post with menu and services being of no focal point standard to be considered GFE.

Then as you pondered further you commented that resonably in your words....kissing and sex had to at the very least occur for GFE.

So which stance are you taking? Obviously in some capacity her menu matters to you right?

Covered hand jobs, light or relatively no kissing, cbj, limited or no touching would not be of any specific significance as long as she has the right attitude while performing all or some of those limitations correct?

Lets be real, at the very least you are expecting something. Especially when the donation is already exchanged.

I wonder how that might affect your ATTITUDE towards advertised GFE titles should you be on the wrong side of it. Originally Posted by gimme_that

I think both are true. That is, every possible menu item short of BBFS or BBAnal could be rendered and be a really horrible experience given the wrong attitude; whereas a more abbreviated menu (for example including only DFK, DATY, BBBJ and CFS) could be more effective with a better attitude.

So attitude IS a crucial ingredient. But not the only one. It's kind of like making chocolate cake. You need both chocolate AND sugar or the results will be disappointing.

With attitude filling the roll of chocolate in the analogy; we can debate a bit about the sugar. Perhaps honey can be used, or brown sugar, etc. SOME form of sweetener is necessary, but we can debate the details. But if you leave out the chocolate? You might end up with cake, but it won't be chocolate cake.

You can have all the menu items and it still won't be GFE if the attitude is wrong. So attitude is clearly the crucial ingredient. But it is not the ONLY necessary ingredient. It must be combined with other things.

But what those other things are is, I think, debatable.

That having been said, I really don't think "limited GFE" means "no BBFS" as most GFE already means "no BBFS." Originally Posted by Laurentius

Sorry, I just used BBFS as an example, you could replace it with any acronym...

In the end, I think GFE for most hobbyists is a combination of attitude and "services provided." And for most ladies, it is a combination of attitude and "services provided." If it weren't, providers wouldn't have a "services provided" page or a listing of them on P411.

But WALDT, and with that being the case it is easy to miscommunicate. Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

I tend to disagree with the services provided theory, though I may be wrong. I didn't think that listing had anything to do with whether a girl is GFE or not but more of a "if you're looking for greek (or something) you can see by my listing I don't offer it".

It's easy to miscommunicate simply because we are not supposed to discuss services and donations period so it's next to impossible to clarify anything.

I still say GFE is defined by attitude and you should look for a provider who has the GFE attitude AND provides what you are looking for as far as the acronyms go by looking at the reviews and the services provided. As opposed to finding someone who calls herself GFE simply because she provides MSOG, DFK, etc..

I still say GFE is defined by attitude and you should look for a provider who has the GFE attitude AND provides what you are looking for as far as the acronyms go by looking at the reviews and the services provided. As opposed to finding someone who calls herself GFE simply because she provides MSOG, DFK, etc.. Originally Posted by TxBrandy

I totally agree. GFE is in a sense a thing that's offered (an attitude rather than an action) in and of itself, not a "package deal" of menu items.

Lemme just set the whole world straight once again on what the term "GFE" means on the escort boards here in America.

A girlfriend likes you or pretends to lie you until a bigger better deal comes along. <<< jaded view. LOL.

The acronym is short for "The Girlfriend Experience".
It means an escort is willing to do the following during the session if time and hygiene allow:
DFK /LFK
DATY
BBBJ
MPCFS

and is capped off by the "illusion of passion"; meaning you pretend you likes us. Pretend to enjoy it. Fucking move... something! The best escorts I know make every client feel special. They have the charm to really capitalize on the "illusion of passion part. SP Hunter calls it the "mattress actress" part.

That is the Internet definition of GFE as written in the sacred jedi hobby scrolls. Got it?


Limited GFE usually means the gal will not do one or more of those things. Usually kissing or wanting to put a cover on for a blowjob.

We have a lot of new people here from CL, and Backpage whose pimps have taught them that GFE means BBFS. That is not true. Go tell you pimp he is wrong! (they love it when you do that! )

Didn't we already do this on another thread

I have seen some ladies mention limited GFE includes DATY, LFK, DFK and CBJ instead of BBBJ. I'm not sure if this is what they all mean by it. If you are interested in seeing the lady, you can normally tell what her menu is by checking out her reviews.

If limited GFE means not bitching at me about my shortcomings, then I'm all for it!

I have seen some ladies mention limited GFE includes DATY, LFK, DFK and CBJ instead of BBBJ. I'm not sure if this is what they all mean by it. If you are interested in seeing the lady, you can normally tell what her menu is by checking out her reviews. Originally Posted by mikahranae

Not necessarily true. Got one I've seen 3 times and when I tried to see what she offered thru reviews cause she wouldn't discuss anything I didn't have much luck cause her service was all over the place. Good reviews but very ymmv I think.

Reviews are not the same as a website or p411.

I feel that limitedGFE is a combo of attitude and what is offered by the provider. GFE is to me feeling like Im actually with a G/F sans the bitching and complaining that usually accompanies alot of relationships. The 2 best ladies Ive seen in the last several years were limited GFE....but they had the personality and charm that I didnt mind that they preferred not to kiss. Intelligence and personality overcome alot of the other things that could be offered especially if they are done halfheartedly...because then they shouldn't be done at all IMO! I feel the provider should know their acting skill level,what they are comfortable doing and their intellectual ability to stimulate to hobbyist and advertise accordingly!

AngleOK,
You are one very sharp person. Thanks for the "GFE" note.
SoOkie

AngleOK,
You are one very sharp person. Thanks for the "GFE" note.
SoOkie Originally Posted by SoOkie

Thank you, SoOkie!