LEGALITY?? Justice? AGENDAS? What REAL REASONING fuels our new sex trafficking bill???

POLITICS!
That's the main reason the BP case doesn't start till 2020 the feds know fosta is a loser , control and money.

An incompetent attorney can have a case delayed for weeks and months. A competent one can have it delayed for years.

Where's SJ $0.02?

....Where's SJ $0.02? Originally Posted by Grouchy

Jon has previously posted that his time will be spent elsewhere.

I would like to bring everyone's attention to the links in Strawberry's post at #15. Those links go to the lawsuit that was filed a day after my earlier post.

This lawsuit is aimed at a few key sections of the new law and the civic folks that filed the suit do need every bit of support from us that they can get.

This whole thing is politics and money.

They did actually...

I don't have time right now too cite the cases which set precedent before Backpage. However if you go to the link above scroll down to the legalities section and read, you will find two precedent-setting cases one Myspace and the other Craigslist Originally Posted by strawberry skye

Is true, Craiglist had had to give in to the pressure of the state to first erase the section of escorts and after casual encounters.

I pray to recover BP and I hope they win the process and come back strongers

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. The question of consent is an important point of equivocation with regard to trafficking that interests me and I hope this will not be considered hijacking your thread to bring it up. I get very little business from these review forums because I do not like being reviewed as I am extremely selective and YMMV so much that they seem irrelevant. I do not want someone showing up with expectations that I do not wish to fulfill. I prefer deciding what I will and will not do after I have met someone and gotten to know him in person. I have a girlfriend who had to move to another state because LE was hounding her based on her reviews. I do not wish to be forced out of my hometown based on gossip about me because men require bragging rights. I would welcome reviews if people could simply give me some stars without violating my confidentiality by revealing private information that (IMHO) more appropriately should remain between two consenting adults. And, when it does remain between two consenting adults, where is the harm or crime? It just seems to me there is a way for everyone to get their needs met that is perfectly legal. Wait until you spend some time with a person to decide what you will and will not do. Do it because you care and not because they have offered you some money to do it. Money is for time, conversation, advice, counseling, touch, hair pulling, waxing, shaving, bathing in bubble baths. There are so many legal services that could be sold, giving people an opportunity to develop friendships that would inspire true desire. To me knowing I can't do anyone any favors without being okay with them telling all their friends what I did, seems like a very subtle coercive tactic that is putting everyone involved at risk. It also seems like a very juvenile urge to me. Mature gentlemen with the ability to embrace the mystery are much more attractive.

To me knowing I can't do anyone any favors without being okay with them telling all their friends what I did, seems like a very subtle coercive tactic that is putting everyone involved at risk. It also seems like a very juvenile urge to me. Mature gentlemen with the ability to embrace the mystery are much more attractive. Originally Posted by Waleli

I get that, but this site exists to share information. and it does a magnificent job. sure there are juvenile reviewers, and a few trolls, but all things considered, the site works well.
as a Hobbyist, I could not function properly (and would elect not to do so), if I could not get details about sessions.

I pray to recover BP and I hope they win the process and come back strongers Originally Posted by KalyEscort

really? PRAY?

I'm glad those scumbags are rotting in Prison. they encouraged underage trafficking, and laundered millions of dollars from Pimp/Trafficking ads. the pay-for-play scene is much better with those Creeps out of it.

What do you mean when you say that you could not function properly without knowing the details?

What do you mean when you say that you could not function properly without knowing the details? Originally Posted by Waleli

exactly that .. not just what's on the menu, that's important itself but also the details about the session. attitude of the provider, timeliness as in is the provider ready and prepared to begin the session on time, is the menu as advertised available? up-sell? i could go on but that's what Chung means. would you go to a restaurant and order the special without knowing what the special is?

your own menu appears to be limited to massage. for some that's fine but others like myself and Chung seek out more. it would be a waste of time to schedule with you because what we expect and want isn't available. it would also be disrespectful to knowingly expect more than you offer and waste your time and mine (and money) trying to get it.

I don't see how anyone could stay in business very long without consistently having a good attitude, being ready on time, and offering high-quality service. None of that could get anyone arrested, either. But I am not going to have sex with someone whose dick obviously has a wart just because it's always been there and he doesn't want to believe it's a wart. So I am not going to put it on the menu, because if I do someone that I can't serve without putting my health at risk will show up wanting to buy it and threatening to give me a bad review for false advertisement. Men don't seem to realize that YMMV has a whole lot more to do with them, than the service provider. Everybody wants to feel good and everybody wants to prosper. And if people have to choose between feeling good and prospering, nearly everybody is going to choose feeling good over prospering. I am absolutely delighted to help anybody with anything that feels good, as long as it isn't going to make me sick, and it isn't going to get me arrested. What could possibly be wrong with having a ten-star review system that prohibits including any details that could be used as evidence for a legal investigation? The FOSTA act makes it a felony to promote prostitution. Telling all of your friends what you got to buy so they can go out and buy some too can get you time in prison. And your friends may not even be qualified to receive what you got, because YMMV so radically and drastically depending upon the potential of the customer. Money is no object. I want what I want. And if you want it too, you are going to get it with me. Menus are completely irrelevant in the realm of inspiration and exploration. And that is where the magic happens. I once had a man say, "There is a whole world of sex that I've never experienced before, isn't there?" I nodded and my eyes sparkled. He lost his erection. The one time that he turned me on and I really wanted to have sex with him, he couldn't do it. And I had accommodated his desire for sexual intercourse repeatedly. When I truly finally surrendered wanted to have sex with him, he couldn't do it. Sparkle eyed sex cannot be purchased for any amount of money. It has to be inspired. Demands and guarantee seeking destroys the possibility of any inspiration. It reduces every encounter you will ever have to nothing more than duty and obligation. There is a whole world of sex that you guys are never going to experience unless you give up the bragging rights and stop putting service providers at risk because you want to make sure that you can buy an inferior experience.

As Hobbyist, I could not function properly (and would elect not to do so), if I could not get details about sessions. Originally Posted by Chung Tran

When I read the above sentence my mind went wild trying to figure out what you meant. Best I can tell it sounds kind of (to me) like you are saying that you cannot get an erection for someone without first reading/fantasizing/thinking about what she has been doing with other men. Is that what you meant?

If so, I am wondering if bragging rights are a lot more important than I ever realized because there is a fetish similar to cuckolding that is fueling nearly all men's sexual desire. Promiscuity is so common, it's probably impossible for most men to imagine having sex with a woman who's never been with anybody else. But does the challenge of seeing whether or not you can also do everything that the other men have been doing with her, fuel a man's desire?

And how exciting is it to think about how many men a woman has been with, and what all she's done with them? Is that why bragging rights are so important to men? Is it because guys like turning each other on by sharing their exploits? Are you guys using women to catch the loads that you are generating for each other by talking about what all you did and turning each other on?

Are women irrelevant to men as human beings? Are they only important as employees, consumers of products and services, sex objects, or breed stock? Is it possible for men to connect with women, or do they have to connect with other men in order to perform with women because they simply cannot understand women? Or did I dive off the deep end by letting my imagination run away with me?

When I read the above sentence my mind went wild trying to figure out what you meant. Best I can tell it sounds kind of (to me) like you are saying that you cannot get an erection for someone without first reading/fantasizing/thinking about what she has been doing with other men. Is that what you meant? Originally Posted by Waleli

I'm pretty sure he meant he couldn't function as a hobbyist, not that his penis couldn't function.

really? PRAY?

I'm glad those scumbags are rotting in Prison. they encouraged underage trafficking, and laundered millions of dollars from Pimp/Trafficking ads. the pay-for-play scene is much better with those Creeps out of it. Originally Posted by Chung Tran

You literally die, darling.
Do you think that mafias aren't camouflaged in other websites?
Do you think that putting a businessman in jail solved it, and that they were in partnership with these mafias?

The prohibitive policies do not work anywhere, FACT. Attacking the rights of civilians into their private conversations, databases is not a solution, not without a judge's order within a correct legal process. Prosecution for human traffic had existence before FOSTA-SESTA.

Closing BP all they have achieved has been to push the independent companions to seek refuge in pimps.

I believe that the only mistake made by the BP's managers, was greed and they are paying dearly, for not checking the data of their advertisers they have held responsible, but the real responsible for human trafficking are still outside and probably doing business with Trump.

KALY

You literally die, darling.
Do you think that mafias aren't camouflaged in other websites?
Do you think that putting a businessman in jail solved it, and that they were in partnership with these mafias?

The prohibitive policies do not work anywhere, FACT. Attacking the rights of civilians into their private conversations, databases is not a solution, not without a judge's order within a correct legal process. Prosecution for human traffic had existence before FOSTA-SESTA.

Closing BP all they have achieved has been to push the independent companions to seek refuge in pimps.

I believe that the only mistake made by the BP's managers, was greed and they are paying dearly, for not checking the data of their advertisers they have held responsible, but the real responsible for human trafficking are still outside and probably doing business with Trump.

KALY Originally Posted by KalyEscort

Well said.

But I won't be saying any prayers for the owners of BP. They made some very poor decisions and deserve contempt, not praise.

Well said.

But I won't be saying any prayers for the owners of BP. They made some very poor decisions and deserve contempt, not praise. Originally Posted by Crock

Another one who die on literalness.
I don't pray, I was kidding about it using ironic words. I'm not soooooo catholic.
No one can understand the difference when someone is using irony?

And I feel sorry for people who work really hard and invest money in a project where you don't have legal security where today the government allow you to start a business and after investing time, work and money the FBI decides to close it when the president and congressmen have to cover with money to buy silence from porn stars and lovers for their continuous affaires.

A website needs a lot of work of SEO and marketing online to get good results, BP had it and helped me a lot, had good prices and international lists, the best way to create your own ads with not expensive budget and get fast results. This summer was a chaos for me I lost a lot of money. So yes, I miss this website a lot.

I hope next website who take the old BP traffic have the base in The Netherlands.

KALY

"A website needs a lot of work, SEO and online marketing to get GREAT results."

Sorry tried to FIX it.